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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Skyyr on July 04, 2014, 11:30:15 AM
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A lot of ex-players continue to post on numerous boards here, complaining about the game, criticizing, etc. I'd like to see forum access tied to active accounts. If a player wants to post, they need to have an active subscription. This ensures that everyone sharing their opinion, criticism, etc. of the game is actually paying towards it.
Perhaps create a single sub-forum for inactive account players to post in, that way they could check in with friends and previous squaddies.
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If, say, Thndregg dropped by and told us the strat system sucked, I'd put more weigh in it than, say, Skyyrr thinking showing names with enemy icons is a good idea.
The one is a long time veteran in aces high, and highly respected by the bomber sub-community. The other would still be considered a noob if they hadn't jumped ship from FA.
Say Johnny Dumb*** makes an account. Why is his opinion more valid than long-time veterans that hit a rough spot in their lives?
Also, what happens if they stop paying? IIRC, their account gets deleted after a while. Does the BBS account go away? Do they get a new one with a new game account? MINNoWAR?
Seems kinda unnecessary, and perhaps even harmful.
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I take breaks from this crippling addiction but I can't get off it cold turkey. The forums are my methadone clinic
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I think people who aren't subscribed should be able to view the entire board, but only be allowed to post in the Help and Training and Squadron forums.
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I think people who aren't subscribed should be able to view the entire board, but only be allowed to post in the Help and Training and Squadron forums.
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I don't like this idea one bit. Past players which ever way you try to cut it have paid their subscriptions and are entitled to post and stay part of the community they flew with. They left the game for reasons and it would be better for those reasons to be recorded and noted by HTC for them to get a better handle and knowledge of what is wrong and choose to improve that part if the game. By silencing them AcesHigh's problems which drove people to leave the game would never be heard, which would lead to stale development.
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I'd like to see forum access tied to active accounts. If a player wants to post, they need to have an active subscription. This ensures that everyone sharing their opinion, criticism, etc. of the game is actually paying towards it.
Don't do this to me, please. ;)
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A lot of ex-players continue to post on numerous boards here, complaining about the game, criticizing, etc. I'd like to see forum access tied to active accounts. If a player wants to post, they need to have an active subscription. This ensures that everyone sharing their opinion, criticism, etc. of the game is actually paying towards it.
Perhaps create a single sub-forum for inactive account players to post in, that way they could check in with friends and previous squaddies.
Just because you don't like some peoples opinions/post shouldn't be reason enough to close the BBS to them.
Either grow a pair or learn to use the "ignore" feature.
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At least restrict the deadbeats from using the Wishlist forum. If you aren't paying, you have no business asking for stuff.
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At least restrict the deadbeats from using the Wishlist forum. If you aren't paying, you have no business asking for stuff.
deadbeats :lol
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Maybe make them have a title saying ex-member or something. I agree the amount of complaining by people who don't even play is a bit... strange.
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Maybe make them have a title saying ex-member or something. I agree the amount of complaining by people who don't even play is a bit... strange.
Maybe they don't play BECAUSE of their complaints.
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-1. This is one of the worse ideas Ive heard on this board. Im not insulting anyone, Im just saying what I think.
I used to play a game called WW2 On Line. Religiously I played it. I had a bad feeling about it and quit. What happened is they were bragging about getting GreenLit on Steam while also trying to get contributors to put $$ into a special contribution plan. Saying that once they reached their goal of "Hero Subscribers" they would upgrade the game and off we'd go. Well my wife was out of work for awhiles, I had heart problems, and something just didnt feel right and I quit it.
So they go past their stated goal of "contributions". The game was greenlit on Steam in Nov. 2013, and still isnt available on the Steam version. Now they are taking even more contributions under a new name https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wwii-online-client-update-stretch-goal
To make it all worse unless you are a paying member you cant get on their forum so there is no way to find out the state of this game, "tho Ive heard thru the grapevine its relatively unchanged and has a poor player base. Long time veterans who are thinking of returning are miffed that they cant get a sense of where the game is at and if any old friends are still playing. I think many would return even tho the graphics are even more dated then AH because the game model is very good.
And now you want AH to do the same? There have been times Ive quit AH for up to a year, visited the forum a few times, and the bug returned after hearing some of the stories from the members and the memories they brought back. We have heard from valued ex-players like Betty that the same might happen to, most of all when the new version comes out. Bringing back a player like that should be a top priority but ex'ing them out of the forum would be a terrible mistake and make it that much harder.
I have seen very few ex-players stir up bitter ruckuses here. They might have opinions but I dont read much ignorance from them and instead of trying to get rid of them maybe people should start listening to them more.
Either way allowing "pay only" into the forums would be a terrible mistake. It was for WW2OL and it would be for AH.
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You can still read the forums without an active subscription (as you can now without even being logged in). This would remain unchanged.
The only real complain people would have is that they couldn't post, but we could easily give them their own sub-forum to post in. They could easily post and interact with staff or other members posting in that sub-forum.
So really, the only complaint is that you simply couldn't go into every forum and post (but you could read), but that is the entire intent behind this request. Barring monetary circumstances, if you like the game enough to post on its forums, you should be paying your dues for access.
-1. This is one of the worse ideas Ive heard on this board. Im not insulting anyone, Im just saying what I think.
I used to play a game called WW2 On Line. Religiously I played it. I had a bad feeling about it and quit. What happened is they were bragging about getting GreenLit on Steam while also trying to get contributors to put $$ into a special contribution plan. Saying that once they reached their goal of "Hero Subscribers" they would upgrade the game and off we'd go. Well my wife was out of work for awhiles, I had heart problems, and something just didnt feel right and I quit it.
So they go past their stated goal of "contributions". The game was greenlit on Steam in Nov. 2013, and still isnt available on the Steam version. Now they are taking even more contributions under a new name https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wwii-online-client-update-stretch-goal
To make it all worse unless you are a paying member you cant get on their forum so there is no way to find out the state of this game, "tho Ive heard thru the grapevine its relatively unchanged and has a poor player base. Long time veterans who are thinking of returning are miffed that they cant get a sense of where the game is at and if any old friends are still playing. I think many would return even tho the graphics are even more dated then AH because the game model is very good.
And now you want AH to do the same? There have been times Ive quit AH for up to a year, visited the forum a few times, and the bug returned after hearing some of the stories from the members and the memories they brought back. We have heard from valued ex-players like Betty that the same might happen to, most of all when the new version comes out. Bringing back a player like that should be a top priority but ex'ing them out of the forum would be a terrible mistake and make it that much harder.
I have seen very few ex-players stir up bitter ruckuses here. They might have opinions but I dont read much ignorance from them and instead of trying to get rid of them maybe people should start listening to them more.
Either way allowing "pay only" into the forums would be a terrible mistake. It was for WW2OL and it would be for AH.
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Maybe they don't play BECAUSE of their complaints.
Then that is up to them. No need to further spam the boards with complaining if its not even from people who currently play the game.
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Then that is up to them. No need to further spam the boards with complaining if its not even from people who currently play the game.
That doesn't follow. People that are still playing can only guess at the causes for decreased player base. Those that quit know why they quit, and thus their input is actually more valuable than anyone's upto and including Hitech's.
If we could get everyone that ever left the game to post on the forum, it would provide invaluable insight into how to improve the game and increase player base.
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The only real complain people would have is that they couldn't post,
Again... please don't.
Prospective subscribers and former subscribers need to be able to express opinions and share ideas regardless. This forum needs to be as open as it can be in order for the company to broaden its customer base. This is not one of those areas where it would be beneficial to impose limits on exchanging information.
I played AH for around 10 years before I hung it up due to a myriad of circumstances. I still enjoy being able to freely post opinions, connect with my friends in this community, make suggestions,... the list goes on... because its open, just like your favorite bar. :cheers:
For prospective subscribers, they need the ability to gather as much information as possible before deciding to subscribe. Even though this BBS is full of about everything one would want to know about the game, there are those oddball questions that come up that is best answered by the community at large. To channel a new guy into a forum dedicated to people not subscribed to the game and bar them from actually connecting to the larger community would go against the grain of what this game and company represent.
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because its open, just like your favorite bar. :cheers:
How many bars do you go into, day after day, without dropping a dime or any intent of doing so? Most business owners would become fed up very quickly with such a practice.
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A lot of ex-players continue to post on numerous boards here, complaining about the game, criticizing, etc. I'd like to see forum access tied to active accounts. If a player wants to post, they need to have an active subscription. This ensures that everyone sharing their opinion, criticism, etc. of the game is actually paying towards it.
Perhaps create a single sub-forum for inactive account players to post in, that way they could check in with friends and previous squaddies.
-1 to your wish. I'm glad I have the option to do that, even though I am not currently subscribed.
As a former AH subscriber, I enjoy attending these sessions on the BBs. I still play the game offline and believe it or not, I may just have an opinion or two on something about the game that may contribute in some way.
Coogan
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That doesn't follow. People that are still playing can only guess at the causes for decreased player base. Those that quit know why they quit, and thus their input is actually more valuable than anyone's upto and including Hitech's.
If we could get everyone that ever left the game to post on the forum, it would provide invaluable insight into how to improve the game and increase player base.
Please go read the posts that some ex members make and tell me again how valuable their input is.
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Please go read the posts that some ex members make and tell me again how valuable their input is.
Still more valuable than what you've said so far.
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Then that is up to them. No need to further spam the boards with complaining if its not even from people who currently play the game.
I am not a current subscriber and you don't see me spamming the boards, so by your eyes we just "Ban" everyone that doesn't pay? nope not going to happen, skuzzy mentioned 8 years ago that if you want an active subscription forum, then make your own and invite active players.
Thus being said, I belong to two active and 3 non-active groups - so wish is technically granted.
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For the original poster of a Wishlist thread, there should be a link titled, "Vote Off". This could be between the Date Registered/Location and Post Count on their 'mini-profile' under their avatar.
If, say, 15 (or 30, or 10% or whatever) other people click the 'Vote Off' link, the poster should be barred from posting anymore in the Wishlist section for 1 month (voted off the *&(#ing island).
This would help fix the current state of the Wishlist section a whole lot more than limiting access for other reasons ;)
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How many bars do you go into, day after day, without dropping a dime or any intent of doing so? Most business owners would become fed up very quickly with such a practice.
Yeah... poor analogy. You got me there. However, my bandmates and I play in a lot of them, get paid and get free beer. :D
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Yeah... poor analogy. You got me there. However, my bandmates and I play in a lot of them, get paid and get free beer. :D
No worries. Bars have limited seating. The forum has room.
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How many bars do you go into, day after day, without dropping a dime or any intent of doing so? Most business owners would become fed up very quickly with such a practice.
You are concerned about the complainers. For what it's worth, there are any number of folks who contribute to the AH community via the forums who aren't playing, whether it be via history discussions, or helping with information on skins or just keeping in contact with folks they've known via the game over the years.
You want to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer, killing the mosquito while doing potentially all kinds of unintended damage.
Not a very good way to go about it.
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Just remove forum acces from everyone. That way all problems are solved for good.
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Just remove forum acces from everyone. That way all problems are solved for good.
:aok
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What post or posts provoked this wish? I haven't exactly seen a rash of bad posts from former players.
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What post or posts provoked this wish?
Controversiality?
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A lot of ex-players continue to post on numerous boards here, complaining about the game, criticizing, etc. I'd like to see forum access tied to active accounts. If a player wants to post, they need to have an active subscription. This ensures that everyone sharing their opinion, criticism, etc. of the game is actually paying towards it.
Perhaps create a single sub-forum for inactive account players to post in, that way they could check in with friends and previous squaddies.
Right! Because the words of vets who've played with this community since AW days (or less) and who, in game, actually have the skill to take any kind of fight aren't as worthy as a current 6 month vet whose primary tactic is running by all accounts.
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How many bars do you go into, day after day, without dropping a dime or any intent of doing so? Most business owners would become fed up very quickly with such a practice.
As wise as the OP. For every non paying customer in a bar, there's going to be a half dozen friends sitting around BSing with him. Bar owners LOVE people hanging out in their bars.
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As someone who has taken year long breaks from the game(Afghanistan) and just recently for 8 months for personal reasons...big -1
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Right! Because the words of vets who've played with this community since AW days (or less) and who, in game, actually have the skill to take any kind of fight aren't as worthy as a current 6 month vet whose primary tactic is running by all accounts.
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001823907/12857403_69501_kelso_burn_xlarge.gif)
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Right! Because the words of vets who've played with this community since AW days (or less) and who, in game, actually have the skill to take any kind of fight aren't as worthy as a current 6 month vet whose primary tactic is running by all accounts.
I always thought that HTC should make it mandatory for new subscribers to the game to also be asked to sign up to the ah bbs, and make at least one post saying "hello, I've just joined AH!", or smething to that effect... That way the newer subscribers don't take 1 to 2 years to finally stumble across the forums...
As for the constant accusations of skyyr's tactics being running for all accounts..
I have fought him in the MA, DA and have yet to see him "run" as so many players keep claiming...
nor have I seen him run while winging with our squaddies flying any where from 3 to 8 online flying together... All of us was new to any and every game we have ever played...
Give the fella a break...
TC
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TC hits the nail on the head and it's not off-topic.
“Put your money where your mouth is” is simplistic. It’s not wise to discount the experience of others on the basis of an active subscription.
The community response on the boards in general can sometimes be caustic and serves only to stop others from imagining and innovating. It’s a tone. It’s cultural. The situation in the Veterans Administration is an example. The culture there is described as ‘corrosive’.
The tone of this thread became generally negative and resulted in at least one attack on the character of the OP. All posters, active or not, in agreement or not, have the responsibility to treat the OP and his idea with respect. That’s not a Skuzzy-Rule. It’s the same guideline people use at school and at work.
The tone of this board is often sarcastic in regard to innovation. With respect, the attitudes of Skuzzy and HiTech have sometimes set that tone. They become exasperated (and cranky) when we beat each other - and them - up for small changes in the face of much larger innovations to implement. Ultimately the entire franchise belongs to HiTech Creations. Ultimately, it’s their soap and their banana and they will wash it as fast as they want to.
Our community is small, and getting smaller. I want more people participating here, not less. Even if I don’t agree with the OP, I want him to keep thinking about how to make the game and the community more appealing to new players.
:salute
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The problem is that at some point, impasses will be reached. This means that either those that disagree step back and allow the others to lobby for something they feel would either be a waste or an active detriment. This is not a reasonable expectation, given how impassioned the community is. The other option is continuing to argue their case, which results in these fiascos.
Personally I think Skyyrr is a bit of an idiot with regard to his desires for the future of the game. I suspect I'm not alone. Combine this with his abrasive demeanor displayed so far, and it's little wonder that the results are as they are.
Now I believe everyone starts out deserving a certain level of respect. I also believe that one can forfeit that respect.
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Right! Because the words of vets who've played with this community since AW days (or less) and who, in game, actually have the skill to take any kind of fight aren't as worthy as a current 6 month vet whose primary tactic is running by all accounts.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gz_2UEfoKwk/Uw9EXNKzJrI/AAAAAAAALc4/06-qEII80VM/s1600/DogLaughing.gif)
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Simple: Players take breaks from this game and come back, sometimes even a year or two later (sometimes even more!). For a community that started in 1999 such breaks are still "short". Participation in forum discussions keep these players a part of the AH community and makes it much more likely that they return. Cut them off completely from the game and they are likely to forget about it.
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Ive seen names in this thread that should be considered highest priority by AH to get back in the game when the new version comes out. Or even sooner. Even tho they arent currently playing many have skill sets that can aid the newer players very much. And to the point, I cant think of one of them who starts controversy on the board.
What could possibly be gained by banning them from the boards cause for whatever reason they cant, or wont, pay their $16 a month?
The fact they still drop by means they might come back and they are the players we need most of all. Theres going to be a lot of excitement when this new engine comes out. Making these veterans feel welcomed back should be a priority.
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Simple: Players take breaks from this game and come back, sometimes even a year or two later (sometimes even more!). For a community that started in 1999 such breaks are still "short". Participation in forum discussions keep these players a part of the AH community and makes it much more likely that they return. Cut them off completely from the game and they are likely to forget about it.
well said, bozon!
I still think that at the time a new subscriber joins the game, they should at the very minimum be invited to also join the AcesHigh message boards... I posted earlier that maybe HTC should make it a requirement that all new subscribing players also be required to register and make at least one post...
That is actually a little to demanding... but a little description of what is available to the new player at the AH message boards and an invitation to come register and be a part of the AH community, might be a better approach...
Just a suggestion...
TC
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I'd hate to think that I could be arbitrarily cut off from old friends and foes. I come here when the constant drivel you can read anywhere else online makes my brain hurt. Skuzzy has the ban stick for anybody who truly gets out of line and he's very very good and judicious about how he uses it. I still promote the game in my daily life when I run across someone that has an interest in WWII aviation or gaming in general. So I'd give this a -1 respectfully.
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I still think that at the time a new subscriber joins the game, they should at the very minimum be invited to also join the AcesHigh message boards... I posted earlier that maybe HTC should make it a requirement that all new subscribing players also be required to register and make at least one post...
+1 :aok
LtngRydr
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I always thought that HTC should make it mandatory for new subscribers to the game to also be asked to sign up to the ah bbs, and make at least one post saying "hello, I've just joined AH!", or smething to that effect... That way the newer subscribers don't take 1 to 2 years to finally stumble across the forums...
As for the constant accusations of skyyr's tactics being running for all accounts..
I have fought him in the MA, DA and have yet to see him "run" as so many players keep claiming...
nor have I seen him run while winging with our squaddies flying any where from 3 to 8 online flying together... All of us was new to any and every game we have ever played...
Give the fella a break...
TC
Give him a break, really? It was his wish...
It sounds to me that, in his eyes, he made a well thought out wish. Just not too many people agreed. I don't think he deserves a break over anyone else that gets
flamed-out on this wish forum. Be it noob or vet.
Coogan
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I always thought that HTC should make it mandatory for new subscribers to the game to also be asked to sign up to the ah bbs, and make at least one post saying "hello, I've just joined AH!", or smething to that effect... That way the newer subscribers don't take 1 to 2 years to finally stumble across the forums...
TC
This needs it's own wish, it is worthy!
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I don't think excluding anyone out of commenting on the boards would be a good thing. There have been some ex-players who have good input and perspective. Shoving them into a few select areas does no good, and would be another turn off for them. Maybe they left because of something in the game, well now they can't say it. Sure, they could post in the squadron forum. But if it's pertaining to a wish, then why make another topic/main post in another forum, when you could just have that person respond to it in the correct forum?
This just opens a can of worms for Skuzzy to deal with. While I understand where you are coming from, you are trying to fix something that really isn't broken. Opinions are opinions, who they come from is irrelevant, they are still - at the core - an opinion. If you don't agree with it, irregardless who it came from, just ignore it and move on.
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I always thought that HTC should make it mandatory for new subscribers to the game to also be asked to sign up to the ah bbs, and make at least one post saying hello
Yes, let's throw them to the dogs to toughen their skin first.
I have fought him in the MA, DA and have yet to see him "run" as so many players keep claiming...
I dueled him during what he stated was his first week in game. He ran me out of gas half the time and HO'ed me at least once that I recall.
nor have I seen him run while winging with our squaddies flying any where from 3 to 8 online flying together...
Running with wingmen would be quite impressive. Running to wingmen is slightly less so.
I'm not going to debate flying styles but perhaps I should clarify my definition of runner. If you primarily fly the fastest and best climbing a/c in game and rarely or never "turn" fight even versus similar or identical a/c, you're a runner. Just because you run in the vertical, doesn't mean you're not running.
I don't knock most people for how they fly but I have seen descriptions of his boasting and some of his comments on the forum. Taken together with my experience with him, I have a crystal clear picture of the kind he is.
The tone of this thread became generally negative and resulted in at least one attack on the character of the OP. All posters, active or not, in agreement or not, have the responsibility to treat the OP and his idea with respect.
The OP was an attack on unsubscribed players,
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Heya muzik,
Yeah, I backed off of my first suggestion a bit, saying that it was too demanding... after i had read back over what I had typed...
I want to put this in such a way as to not sound as if I'm rushing to skyyr's defense...
He in my eyes is still considered "new" to AH... and I can only judge the fights that I have had against him or have watched from the edge of some of his engagements...
I have seen a lot of the comments and claims, and my personal relationship with you in this game and on the boards have always been straight and good from my best recollections...
I can only say at this time is that I have seen skyyr constantly improve on his flying/fighting ability in the game... That is what I meant with my earlier post , that we all were new once, in any game we played... That was why I asked to give him a break... It was not based on any other things he might possibly had done earlier on ...
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TC
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Right! Because the words of vets who've played with this community since AW days (or less) and who, in game, actually have the skill to take any kind of fight aren't as worthy as a current 6 month vet whose primary tactic is running by all accounts.
the problem is that your so called vets are mostly guys that have been around for a couple of months and think they know everything there is to know abut the game. or some guys who havent played in years and complaint about something they havent experienced recently.
and to be honest if the game bothers them so much as to want to quit, then let them go. really if you gonna quit, then quit. go away, this game that you say is going down hill then leave go play warthunder or world of crap planes.
if you arent happy then you arent happy. go away, aloha, sayonara, goodbye, adios...
I divorced my ex-wife because i didnt want to be with her. you dont see me hanging around her thinking she will change to something I like do ya?
semp
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Heya muzik,
Yeah, I backed off of my first suggestion a bit, saying that it was too demanding... after i had read back over what I had typed...
It happens. It would be a good idea if there were more discipline on the boards.
I want to put this in such a way as to not sound as if I'm rushing to skyyr's defense...
He in my eyes is still considered "new" to AH... and I can only judge the fights that I have had against him or have watched from the edge of some of his engagements...
I have seen a lot of the comments and claims, and my personal relationship with you in this game and on the boards have always been straight and good from my best recollections...
I can only say at this time is that I have seen skyyr constantly improve on his flying/fighting ability in the game... That is what I meant with my earlier post , that we all were new once, in any game we played... That was why I asked to give him a break... It was not based on any other things he might possibly had done earlier on ...
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TC
Understood.
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the problem is that your so called vets are mostly guys that have been around for a couple of months and think they know everything there is to know abut the game. or some guys who havent played in years and complaint about something they havent experienced recently.
and to be honest if the game bothers them so much as to want to quit, then let them go. really if you gonna quit, then quit. go away, this game that you say is going down hill then leave go play warthunder or world of crap planes.
if you arent happy then you arent happy. go away, aloha, sayonara, goodbye, adios...
I divorced my ex-wife because i didnt want to be with her. you dont see me hanging around her thinking she will change to something I like do ya?
semp
Nobody calls a two month'er a vet that I am aware of and as far as I know, no-one who plays this game and quits after two months, stays around talking about it on the boards. The ones that do, developed a long standing connection to the players and spent years playing the game.
Your wife analogy is ridiculously unfitting.
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Nobody calls a two month'er a vet that I am aware of and as far as I know, no-one who plays this game and quits after two months, stays around talking about it on the boards. The ones that do, developed a long standing connection to the players and spent years playing the game.
Your wife analogy is ridiculously unfitting.
This is the best response yet, I can only name one person who stuck around on the board that didn't even have 500 kills total, other then that everyone else I've seen flew many tours. Fact of the matter is; I don't see whats the deal between someoen with a subscription and someone with out.
Aces High is a public game, its not a fraternity - you develop friendships in game and stick around; me for example - I am not subscribed for a few reasons which are personal - it has nothing to do with the game itself; I just have no time to pay $15 and fly one or two sorties per month.
Fact is I am just waiting for work to slow down simply so I can fly again, after all I didn't buy a pair of thrustmaster warthogs just to read the bulletin board and spam all day; I'd much rather be flying.
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There are multiple people who do not pay the $15 a month subscription for MA access, yet contribute lots of valuable information to these forums. They can download and play the game all they want with the blowup doll sitting across their room. No harm done.
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I can only name one person who stuck around on the board that didn't even have 500 kills total
I would suspect someone like that is a shade.
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The OP was an attack on unsubscribed players,
An off-the-mark recommendation is not an attack. An attack begins with "Jane, you ignorant slut..."
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The OP was an attack on unsubscribed players,
I'm not sure how you're defining the word "attack," but to call it such signifies great ignorance of what an attack actually is. An "attack," to be such and therefore be valid, would have to commit either an ad-hominem fallacy (attacking the person instead of the topic), or it would have to start off with a personal attack ("You moron," "You idiot," etc.).
The OP was not an attack, it was simply a suggestion. This book (http://www.amazon.com/Informal-Logical-Fallacies-Brief-Guide/dp/0761854339/ref=sr_1_33?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1404695238&sr=1-33&keywords=critical+thinking) might be of help to you.
Just because you run in the vertical, doesn't mean you're not running.
Spoken from the position of someone who understands very little about ACM (and completely contradicting Robert Shaw at the same time). I would suggest this book (http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Combat-Maneuvering-Robert-Shaw/dp/0870210599), specifically Chapter 4 (One-versus-One Maneuvering, Dissimilar Aircraft [in particular, section 1: Low Wing Loading versus High Thrust-to-Weight).
That said, the reasoning behind my suggestion was very straightforward. Opinions are not created equal, and at the core, paying customers' opinions almost always outweigh the opinions of those not paying for service.
If a player, who isn't paying, comes to the forum and complains about the game, what good is his opinion? He's not paying (and therefore playing) it to begin with. However, now he and everyone else (including prospective, potentially new players) see that opinion and it affects their interactions to a degree, as all communications do.
By the same taken, if a player who is paying comes to the forum and complains, his opinion has, at the very least, the weight of a $14.99 subscription behind it. To ignore his feedback and opinion, again - at the least - means potentially throwing away in the income of $14.99 per month.
And this is not unusual - almost every single, major pay-to-play game on the internet has forum access tied to subscriptions. Why? Because it works. Otherwise, you can have any number of people come in and complain about the game. Similarly, forum users who stay with the community simply for the forum are still enjoying the benefits of the game (after all, the forum would not exist if it were not for the game), so why should they be allowed to access for free hat others are essentially paying for to keep alive (if all paying subscribers quit, then the forums would cease to exist as the game would cease to exist).
Regardless of how much fun and community are built around the forum, it is a forum built for a business. Requiring a subscription to access the forum ensures that everyone is paying to access the game and its materials, even if its just the forum. And to top it all off, this isn't some radical idea - this is industry standard. It would also benefit HTC and generate more revenue for future game development.
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Deadstik always brings up Shaw's, how applicable is it to prop aircraft rather than those fancy jets?
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A lot of ex-players continue to post on numerous boards here, complaining about the game, criticizing, etc. I'd like to see forum access tied to active accounts. If a player wants to post, they need to have an active subscription. This ensures that everyone sharing their opinion, criticism, etc. of the game is actually paying towards it.
Perhaps create a single sub-forum for inactive account players to post in, that way they could check in with friends and previous squaddies.
I've played this game since 2001 and have since paid HTC well over $2,000 of my money. I just came back to the game from a few year break. before that I was paying my $16.03 every month and contributing to the community by making numerous skins. By your logic the day I suspended my account I should have been cut off from AH altogether. Even though while away from the game I continued to make skins and even picked up on making terrains and yes chimed in on the forum from time to time. So what you said was that because for a few years I was away from the game I should have been thrown out like yesterdays trash and all my payments to HTC and the work I put into the game just be forgotten? I don't know what you call it but I call that bad customer service. Big -1!
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Deadstik always brings up Shaw's, how applicable is it to prop aircraft rather than those fancy jets?
For BFM/ACM, as a broad generalization, it's typically more applicable to prop aircraft than jet aircraft. The reason is that historic ACM doctrine is tied to the balance of energy vs. angles - this itself is limited by the availability of thrust. Many modern fighters have excess thrust, so it's less of a balancing act (as traditional ACM is) and more of an optimized fight, trying to maintain specific speeds and weapon envelopes.
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For BFM/ACM, as a broad generalization, it's typically more applicable to prop aircraft than jet aircraft. The reason is that historic ACM doctrine is tied to the balance of energy vs. angles - this itself is limited by the availability of thrust. Modern fighters have excess thrust, so it's less of a balancing act (as traditional ACM is) and more of an optimized fight, trying to maintain specific speeds and weapon envelopes.
Well, you posted a little shorter reply than what I was going to type...
That Shaw's book is very much as good for prop driven / wwll planes as it is for the jet age fighter planes, with the only difference in applying Shaw's book to prop driven aircraft versus jets, is for the student being able to know and acknowledge the difference of the the 2 different types of era specific fighter planes, and how their thrust to weight ratio differs..
Thus, the student, with that knowledge can determine which tactic will work sufficiently in their particular engagement... and understand what parameters they might need to acquire to set up such attack or defensive maneuvering...
Hope this helps
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TC
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See Rules #4, #14
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See Rules #4, #14
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Opinions are not created equal, and at the core, paying customers' opinions almost always outweigh the opinions of those not paying for service.
Says who?
Wait a minute!
This Wiki might help you!
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_false_premises
This is fun. But other than demonstrating how clever we are, it's sort of beside the point.
- oldman
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Says who?
Wait a minute!
This Wiki might help you!
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_false_premises
This is fun. But other than demonstrating how clever we are, it's sort of beside the point.
- oldman
Note the word "almost" - I put that word in there specifically because there are always exceptions.
That said, unless you can show me a business model that is built around and that maintains supporting the opinions (feedback) of prospective customers over the feedback of current customers, and then show that model to be the majority of business models (key point), the argument stands. Then again, that's also basic economics (at least in the US market).
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This is an old community where people sub, unsub and resub all the time.
It makes little sense to remove engagement with the community.
One of the main reasons for resubscription is that constant engagement and inclusion.
My question is, which person or persons amongst the community currently unsubbed, has/have displeased or crossed you into coming up with this cockamamie idea to silence them?
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That said, unless you can show me a business model that is built around and that maintains supporting the opinions (feedback) of prospective customers over the feedback of current customers, and then show that model to be the majority of business models (key point), the argument stands. Then again, that's also basic economics (at least in the US market).
This is somewhat strident because there is no successful business model that fits the parameters that you just set. I could, if my NDAs would allow it, show you customer feedback models that place equal emphasis on current- and ex-customer feedback and slightly higher emphasis on prospective-customer feedback (the market to be won).
See Rules #4, #14
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Ahhh...gettting back to the OP.
I respectfully do not think it is a good idea to exclude past players, or anyone else for that matter, from the forums as long as they conduct themselves in a (mostly) civil manner. I am personally always interested in hearing from others who have played the game even if I do not always agree with their opinions. I also think the forums are a good way to attract those who may be on the fence considering if they want to give the game a chance.
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TC says the boards should be required reading for new people. I respect his opinion and I respect him as a man I am getting to know more every week, but I think that would also be a mistake. If I had read the non-focused boards (O'Club, WishList, etc) before flying much in the game, I might have found a healthier place to fly.
That said...Ratsy might have a point about the forums potentially being a turn-off for new players. :frown:
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See Rule #4
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My post was meant only to lighten the mood.
Didn't work.
I appreciate, Muzik, your passion for civil liberties.
Good lord! Again with the liberties.
If my post insulted you
It didn't.
but we are not free to disrespect (or threaten) each other.
I'm gonna have a tough time with that one.
we bicker over who has the 'best voice' in the community. It's ridiculous, don't you think?
Yes he is.
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It's gotten to be so common in the industry that it's pretty much become the industry standard that paid subscribers get full access to the official forums while those that aren't subscribers usually only have read only access to the forums. I understand why it's done, company I work for does the same things for our forums but I've always felt it was in the end bad for us to exclude those that no longer play the game but still wish to remain part of the community.
Oh, and those that think forum access is a 'right'...well, it's not.
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This is the best response yet, I can only name one person who stuck around on the board that didn't even have 500 kills total[...]
When you can show proof that you walked into a bar and said, "Ladies, I'm hung, I got me 500 fighter kills in Aces High 2", and then show proof that you got laid, it'll mean something.
Until then, well... it's just salamander-projection beyond it's limits :O
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When you can show proof that you walked into a bar and said, "Ladies, I'm hung, I got me 500 fighter kills in Aces High 2", and then show proof that you got laid, it'll mean something.
Until then, well... it's just salamander-projection beyond it's limits :O
Can't tell if you're just screwing around, or if you actually missed what he was saying.
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This is just a hunch, but I'm thinking you'll never truly know. Sorry :(
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See Rules #4, #14
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Oh, and those that think forum access is a 'right'...well, it's not.
ack-ack
It's kind of like the Duck Dynasty incident....everyone was like "oh freedom of speech" but I'm pretty sure he signed somewhere that made it so he knew if he embarrassed the TV station he could get booted.
In Aces High you must follow the forum posting rules which is the top post in every furom in bold letters(if you don't know now you know!!!)
completely agree with you.
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ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGggggggg.. ..(Ratsy rattles) ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Another scribbler has fallen on his own pen. Predictable.
I think it's cool that unsubscribed, veteran pilots have a place to stay in touch and make recommendations if they want to.
[Requiem for a Passed-on Scribbler]
However, while most of the posts in this thread make a contribution, the overriding tone and language of the thread - a single example of thousands just like it - have attributes of a larger problem in this game's outside-the-arena culture. It is what it is...no different than a lot of others, I suppose. It is embarrassing though because I still have to justify 'playing games on the internet' to friends and family.
I used to wear a patch on the backside of my jeans. Written on it was this: "You can't change a man's mind by beating his mouth closed". While this was a passion in the 1970's, it stuck with me. I am reminded of it every time I sift through the boards.
I've quietly been around this community since beta and launch - with some breaks for real-life. I've steered clear of the boards until I recently discovered the treasure of valuable information pertinent to game-play and a chance to improve my bombing and gunnery in real-time courses announced on these boards. I've been mining the good stuff only since January. There's a lot of "waste" to wade through to get it, however.
Rather than see others censured, I will confine my own use of the boards to read-only for just the FSO and Scenarios boards and ask Skuzzy to refund my stinking two cents-worth of personal opinions each month. Ha! I'll have that much-desired discount!
I don't think I have 500-kills. I've never posted much (never heard of him). I tool-shed because it's fun trying (and often failing) to out-wit Snailman, Bruv, and Tan. I've probably read Boelcke's Dicta, Malan's Rules, and I possibly have a signed copy of Robert Shaw's book from the first-ever Aces High convention in Irvine, Texas. I have no problem admitting my misunderstandings or mistakes. I respect the opinions of others and I know that I do not have the right to threaten a person I disagree with. In a Bizarro world, these are all shameful weaknesses, perhaps.
The game is still a personal challenge and that is why I keep p(l)aying. I never log as many hours as I want to.
So now I'm going to re-join the ever-dwindling Ranks of the Silent who are likely chuckling over the time that was wasted on this thread. The Ranks of the Silent is a place that scribbler's go after they fall on their pens.
All this time, I could have been in the MA flying with Channel 200 deselected.
I apologize for the rant, but be reverent. I died the scribbler's death in the first sentence. :angel:
[End Requiem]
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As for the constant accusations of skyyr's tactics being running for all accounts..
I have fought him in the MA, DA and have yet to see him "run" as so many players keep claiming...
nor have I seen him run while winging with our squaddies flying any where from 3 to 8 online flying together... All of us was new to any and every game we have ever played...
Give the fella a break...
TC
check PMs TC
I was gonna post that here...but I dont want to be Rule whatevered......