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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SirNuke on January 30, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
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With AH3, hopefully the toughness of the different planes will be re-evaluated *cough* A-20 *cough*, maybe their wep times will be too? (why the merlin engin has different wep lengh in different planes?). On the ground I've always felt that the hangar's hardness always heavily favored the US planeset, maybe the 1K bombs could be perked?
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Instead of weakening the hangars, limit bomb size on fighter/bombers to 500lbs/250kg.
That would help level the playing field for fighter/bombers, as well as leave the bombing of big targets to the big bombers. :aok
Weakening the hangars would only mean less people in the air. It is already ridiculous with heavy fighter raids shutting down bases.
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I would suspect that in real life, a 500 lb'er would take out any of the hangers making it unusable. But with the impact on game play, I think the hangers should be increased to where a single fighter could NOT take out a hanger, I would also suggest that the Ammo Bunkers be increased to a least twice the current requirement. Some how strafing an ammo bunker down just doesn't seem real. :bolt:
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yak3 ....
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With AH3, hopefully the toughness of the different planes will be re-evaluated *cough* A-20 *cough*, maybe their wep times will be too? (why the merlin engin has different wep lengh in different planes?). On the ground I've always felt that the hangar's hardness always heavily favored the US planeset, maybe the 1K bombs could be perked?
Add the Yak3 to the toughness re-evalaution list.
I agree about the merlins WEP times - or their WEP recharge to be exact. Odd that the P-51 merlins recharge WEP faster than the Spit/Mosquito merlins.
Perked ordnance has been suggested at least a dozen times before. I fully support this concept, but I do not see it happening any time soon. However, regarding the hangars the problem is not fighters with 1000 lbs bombs as much as heavy bombers multiplied by 3 (drones) that do precision bombing from 20k, while carrying enough ordnance between the 3 formation members to kill multiple hangars. Ironically, in AH the level bombers hit more accurately than the dive bombers.
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yak3 ....
and Ki-84 :D
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With AH3, hopefully the toughness of the different planes will be re-evaluated *cough* A-20 *cough*, maybe their wep times will be too? (why the merlin engin has different wep lengh in different planes?). On the ground I've always felt that the hangar's hardness always heavily favored the US planeset, maybe the 1K bombs could be perked?
The Merlin had different versions. WEP as it is in the Merlin is "gamed" compared to RL any way.
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The Merlin had different versions. WEP as it is in the Merlin is "gamed" compared to RL any way.
Personally I'd rather see WEP not recharge at all unless you landed for rearm/refuel. I remember in Air Warrior if your injection water ran out, it was OUT.
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Keep screwing with WEP wishes and they grant them to a point like real planes wep some would be limited by the amount of water or other injectables in the tank. Use the water up and wep was done for the sortie.
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Keep screwing with WEP wishes and they grant them to a point like real planes wep some would be limited by the amount of water or other injectables in the tank. Use the water up and wep was done for the sortie.
WEP on Merlins, Griffons and Allisons was not additive based. Simply a wider open throttle.
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WEP on Merlins, Griffons and Allisons was not additive based. Simply a wider open throttle.
Then put a timer on it. You only get five minutes. WEP would cause engine damage... Makes sense.
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Instead of weakening the hangars, limit bomb size on fighter/bombers to 500lbs/250kg.
Why limit the bomb size a fighter can carry when fighters regularly carried more ordnance than what you would allow?
Realistically speaking, hangers in AH are probably far more robust than what the hangers were in real life, especially those of the foward bases.
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Then put a timer on it. You only get five minutes. WEP would cause engine damage... Makes sense.
Use of WEP decreased the time between engine overhauls. It rarely damaged the engine. I am aware of numerous times these engines were run on WEP for far longer than the book's 5 minute limit.
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Why limit the bomb size a fighter can carry when fighters regularly carried more ordnance than what you would allow?
Realistically speaking, hangers in AH are probably far more robust than what the hangers were in real life, especially those of the foward bases.
As a concession to gameplay, like so many other things already in the game. Make the bombers more important for bombing than fighters, instead of dropping a hangar in a fighter and then running all the way home on the deck.
A single 100lb bomb would probably obliterate the real life equivalent of an AH fighter hangar. Certainly destroying everything and everyone under the flimsy tin roof.
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Then put a timer on it. You only get five minutes. WEP would cause engine damage... Makes sense.
That's not realistic either.
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As a concession to gameplay, like so many other things already in the game. Make the bombers more important for bombing than fighters, instead of dropping a hangar in a fighter and then running all the way home on the deck.
A single 100lb bomb would probably obliterate the real life equivalent of an AH fighter hangar. Certainly destroying everything and everyone under the flimsy tin roof.
Bombing hangers is great fun in a P-38 and P47. Lets not mess with that.
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The object value based on the percentage of a 1000lb bomb to destroy the object. Has nothing to do with reality, and everything to do with what Hitech thinks is a good value for game flow. Also Hitech has answered about WEP, the value expressed in the specific aircraft manual. And those tend to be about the usable operational period of the engine before a swap out. 110 hours was the benchmark time between swap out for many allied engines in combat zones the manufacturer had to meet.
The R2800 was tested for 8 hours at WEP and found to not have any problems. Merlins were found to show micro fracturing on components after being run at WEP for about 200hrs if I'm not mistaken. Combat engines had to be tough. The rules in the manual were to help get operational time out of the engine, not immutable red lines or the engine would die a catastrophic death taking the pilot with it. With exception to the 163.
About the only thing in this wish you may have a chance to gain a change, will be airframe toughness to damage.
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All Yak's have unlimited wep in AH
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About the only thing in this wish you may have a chance to gain a change, will be airframe toughness to damage.
And probably not even that. The damage model is based on real life effects of weapons versus air frame. There are probably certain concessions to make it simpler our computers to calculate damage. We might get some refinement there. Damage versus ground targets is calculated for game play. But damage to planes and vehicles is based on realism.
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The day you can convince me a 2000 kilo Yak3 can take more damage than a B17, then I'm all for it.
Bozon's thread below.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369327.0.html)
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Use of WEP decreased the time between engine overhauls. It rarely damaged the engine. I am aware of numerous times these engines were run on WEP for far longer than the book's 5 minute limit.
Its a little weird that the MW50 of german planes recharge a lot faster than the slightly more opened throttles on the Merlin. The Merlin was not limited to 5 mins, it was advised that wep should not be used for more than five minutes.
And as stated there is absolutely no reason for having a 1:3 ratio on the spitfire and a 1:2 ratio on the pony. It was the same engine..
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Its a little weird that the MW50 of german planes recharge a lot faster than the slightly more opened throttles on the Merlin. The Merlin was not limited to 5 mins, it was advised that wep should not be used for more than five minutes.
And as stated there is absolutely no reason for having a 1:3 ratio on the spitfire and a 1:2 ratio on the pony. It was the same engine..
They're not the same engine.
They have different Mark/dash numbers. Merlin XX vs Merlin 63/63A, etc.
The Mustang is actually being penalized as it did not have a WEP time limit. So to make up for that it gets a better ratio.
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They're not the same engine.
They have different Mark/dash numbers. Merlin XX vs Merlin 63/63A, etc.
The Mustang is actually being penalized as it did not have a WEP time limit. So to make up for that it gets a better ratio.
The Mustang did have a WEP limit and it was 5 minutes.
In the section of the P-51 pilot manual, for the WEP operation steps, #4 reads, "Use War Emergency Rating for 5 minutes maximum."
http://s91.photobucket.com/user/Major_Sharpe/media/NorthAmericanP-51D-5PilotsInstructionsb27_zps2a5302ef.jpg.html
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They're not the same engine.
They have different Mark/dash numbers. Merlin XX vs Merlin 63/63A, etc.
The Mustang is actually being penalized as it did not have a WEP time limit. So to make up for that it gets a better ratio.
Pony D had the Packard Merlin 1650-7, that was a license build version of the Merlin 66 fitted in Spit IX. They have the same type of WEP.
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The Mustang did have a WEP limit and it was 5 minutes.
In the section of the P-51 pilot manual, for the WEP operation steps, #4 reads, "Use War Emergency Rating for 5 minutes maximum."
http://s91.photobucket.com/user/Major_Sharpe/media/NorthAmericanP-51D-5PilotsInstructionsb27_zps2a5302ef.jpg.html
Regardless, and Karnak notes, if the WEP is throttle-based and not injection based, the only thing "stopping" you is engine damage.
My question: if you take identical Merlins and install them in two different airframes with two different cooling systems (both different capacities and efficiencies (ie, temp drops across the rad), doesn't it only make sense that the "time to damage" would differ?
There are engines, and there are "engines as installed". We typically talk about the cooling pack as part of the latter.
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Regardless, and Karnak notes, if the WEP is throttle-based and not injection based, the only thing "stopping" you is engine damage.
My question: if you take identical Merlins and install them in two different airframes with two different cooling systems (both different capacities and efficiencies (ie, temp drops across the rad), doesn't it only make sense that the "time to damage" would differ?
There are engines, and there are "engines as installed". We typically talk about the cooling pack as part of the latter.
If you read my post it was in response to Vraciu's claim that there was no time limit on the length for WEP in the Mustang.
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The WEP stuff kind of seems to me a gameplay concession. Bustr's previous posts about the lengths of time Merlins were shown to run on WEP settings kind of make the idea of the engine being damaged by WEP pretty silly.
It would radically change the game if you put them all to behave realistically, with the additives running out and that's it, while the ones that were merely at a higher setting would essentially run forever in game terms.
Wiley.
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I havent found any differences in WEP-limit between UK and US "Merlin-fighters" max recommended wep time 5 mins and then 10 min "cooling" time.
The WEP stuff kind of seems to me a gameplay concession. Bustr's previous posts about the lengths of time Merlins were shown to run on WEP settings kind of make the idea of the engine being damaged by WEP pretty silly.
It would radically change the game if you put them all to behave realistically, with the additives running out and that's it, while the ones that were merely at a higher setting would essentially run forever in game terms.
Wiley.
Having the WEP-cycles are just fine, but spits should not have the bad ratio they have in the game.
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I havent found any differences in WEP-limit between UK and US "Merlin-fighters" max recommended wep time 5 mins and then 10 min "cooling" time.
Having the WEP-cycles are just fine, but spits should not have the bad ratio they have in the game.
Possibly a gameplay concession? Different planes gain different amounts of benefit from WEP. For example, a low-fuel P47 stallfights a metric buttload better if WEP is available. I'm not familiar enough with the spits offhand, but it wouldn't surprise me if they gain a lot from WEP as well. Might be part of the thought process?
Wiley.
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MW50 equipped radials have 10 min wep and 20 minutes recharge.
A8 use another system for WEP, but have same values.
MW50 WEP on liquid cooled planes differ from plane to plane.
TA152 has the best WEP recharge in game.
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If you read my post it was in response to Vraciu's claim that there was no time limit on the length for WEP in the Mustang.
Because there wasn't.
Guys routinely ran it in WEP for periods beyond five minutes without failure.
You can run the Mustang's Merlin in WEP indefinitely--until it blows or runs out of fuel.
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The WEP stuff kind of seems to me a gameplay concession. Bustr's previous posts about the lengths of time Merlins were shown to run on WEP settings kind of make the idea of the engine being damaged by WEP pretty silly.
It would radically change the game if you put them all to behave realistically, with the additives running out and that's it, while the ones that were merely at a higher setting would essentially run forever in game terms.
Wiley.
My point precisely.
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The Mustang did have a WEP limit and it was 5 minutes.
In the section of the P-51 pilot manual, for the WEP operation steps, #4 reads, "Use War Emergency Rating for 5 minutes maximum."
http://s91.photobucket.com/user/Major_Sharpe/media/NorthAmericanP-51D-5PilotsInstructionsb27_zps2a5302ef.jpg.html
That's a LIMITATION not a limit.
My jet has a thrust limitation of 117% for five minutes. In an emergency that goes out the window. I will run it as long as necessary to survive. If it invalidates the warranty so be it.
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That's a LIMITATION not a limit.
My jet has a thrust limitation of 117% for five minutes. In an emergency that goes out the window. I will run it as long as necessary to survive. If it invalidates the warranty so be it.
You claimed there was no limit, while clearly in the Mustang's flight manual it states the limit was 5 minutes maximum on WEP. Yes, in some cases pilots got away with running WEP beyond its clearly stated maximum in the flight manual still doesn't take away the fact there was a limit on how long WEP could be used on the Mustang.
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You claimed there was no limit, while clearly in the Mustang's flight manual it states the limit was 5 minutes maximum on WEP. Yes, in some cases pilots got away with running WEP beyond its clearly stated maximum in the flight manual still doesn't take away the fact there was a limit on how long WEP could be used on the Mustang.
A LIMITATION is not the same thing as a LIMIT.
Five minutes is a LIMITATION. It is not a LIMIT.
You are wrong. Move along.
Cheers.
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A LIMITATION is not the same thing as a LIMIT.
FAIL!
Ack-Ack is totally right!
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Ironically, in AH the level bombers hit more accurately than the dive bombers.
It is actually very good point.
In AH we fly in standard atmosphere in windless condition below 14K in absolutely clear weather with most highly skilled and trained (automatic) bombardier that has most accurate maps around.
In such a case it isn't wonder that Level bomber is that accurate - also if you read about trials and testing of Norden in "lab" conditions it was indeed very accurate - which wasn't reflected in real world operations.
The entire setup of AH gives much better chances to level bombers due to windless conditions.
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Yep, we know all the variables needed for bombing accurate, the math isnt that hard it just about having the right inputs. IRL they didnt knew their exact altitude over target, they had to estimate their ground speed and wind drift. And they were also most of the time under fire.
Plus they did formation drops, only the leader aimed and the rest just dropped when he did, hence the bad accuracy.
As for WEP, most planes could run on WEP for longer than the recommended limit but the system we have is reasonable, otherwise we could have run on WEP the entire sortie since we get a new plane the next sortie anyway. But British Merlins should have same ratio as their American counterparts.
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If you read my post it was in response to Vraciu's claim that there was no time limit on the length for WEP in the Mustang.
Indeed, Ack... but I wasn't that concerned about that.
I'm more concerned about my question and the premise to it.
First, Zimme has stated a discrepancy in the wep on/wep off ratio for Spit and Mustang. I'm not about to verify it empirically but I am disinclined to accept his assertion as fact yet, especially since he mistakenly called it recharge time.
Second, I can see a couple of potential reasons why one engine as installed might be more sensitive to the increased heat loading than another - and can think of at least one more, so I'm wondering if there's any diff in the cooling pack capacities and efficiencies b/w the two.
It's just arcana, that second point, but it'd be interesting to know. Certainly, the rad housing and placement is different b/w the two, given the location and redesign required on the Mustang after the change from Allison to Merlin.
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potejto potato. Nothing is recharged im well aware of that, say cooling time if you prefer.
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Okay, Zimme... accepted. But more importantly, on what are you basing your statement of the time difference? Is it stated somewhere in the online lit or did you verify it empirically?
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FAIL!
Ack-Ack is totally right!
No, he is not.
There is nothing that prevents one from running a Merlin indefinitely in WEP until it blows. It is a limitation. If burning up the engine will save your hide then you aren't gonna' worry about five minutes. You will exceed it to get home.
Max altitude is a limit. A governor for RPM is a limit. WEP use for five minutes is a limitation.
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Honestly, it's a lot of semantics.
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Honestly, it's a lot of semantics.
To a point.
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Okay, Zimme... accepted. But more importantly, on what are you basing your statement of the time difference? Is it stated somewhere in the online lit or did you verify it empirically?
I have found nothing to support that RAF had different limitations on their Merlins. I found it odd that Both Hurricane, Spitfires, Lancasters and Mosquitoes all had a 1:3 WEP-ratio while all US-merlins had a 1:2 ratio. But all British fighters regardless of engine has the 1:3 ratio in the game for no apparent reason.
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Leave the WEP limits alone. Real life, the fluid needed for some WEP was the limiter when the tank ran out. For others it was a warning in a manual based on a general material order to achieve a usable life time for an engine. In all cases something was in place to limit WEP use. In the allied air forces you could be brought up on charges after some point if you had a pattern of using up your engines sooner than reasonably expected with out a sufficient threat to your mission or life. Just like being charged for not taking care of yourself unless you were in combat being shot at, since you were a government issue asset.
And no, our game furballing is not a sufficient threat because our fuel burn shortens our combat duration and our range to the nearest friendly field is often a fast glide away. Otherwise allowing for 200hr merlin boost at 18, or 8hr for a P47, we would be flying around in an old folks version of war thunder.
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We havent been talking about removing the WEP-limits, just to adjust it for the British plane to a 1:2 ratio like the US planes have.
As for WEP, most planes could run on WEP for longer than the recommended limit but the system we have is reasonable, otherwise we could have run on WEP the entire sortie since we get a new plane the next sortie anyway. But British Merlins should have same ratio as their American counterparts.
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Who is it really going to benefit? Is this going to gain you more kills or let run away faster or enhance your whatever? Newbies turn on WEP and run it until it runs out. Vets using it where it counts and gamers just game until the go faster time period is up. In the end the fuel burn and short distance to a friendly field makes up for everything else. And the hand books, you need to get Hitech to give you how he decided on his values before black box trying to get him to change them.
This is on par with trying to convince Hitech to give the allies 150 octane in P51D or that weight discrepancy in the A8.
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I have found nothing to support that RAF had different limitations on their Merlins. I found it odd that Both Hurricane, Spitfires, Lancasters and Mosquitoes all had a 1:3 WEP-ratio while all US-merlins had a 1:2 ratio. But all British fighters regardless of engine has the 1:3 ratio in the game for no apparent reason.
Okay, but that wasn't my question. The question was, how did you establish the in-game diff?
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Saxman is right. Fail rebuttal DENIED!
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Who is it really going to benefit?
Of the merlins, the Spit14 and mossie would benefit the most. Both totally rely on WEP to achieve their reputed performance. Both without WEP are just below average performers - the WEPless 14 is probably the worst spit except the I model, the WEPless mossie falls to the speed category of the N1K.
Also, I find it strange that the Yaks have no limitations on their use of max power and get effectively 100% WEP time. We had a forum discussion on this in the past and iirc the conclusion was that the engines may have limitations, but the Russian don't...
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Spit 14 has a Griffon, not a Merlin...
It would do quite a lot to have a 10 min cooling time instead of 15.
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Spit 14 has a Griffon, not a Merlin...
It would do quite a lot to have a 10 min cooling time instead of 15.
Correct on the 14. I was distracted by this gorgeous girl on my lap.
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An understandable error then :D
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Recorded WEP performance on Lavochkins was not only via increased engine RPM but also with engine cowls trimmed for minimum drag.
The pilot did not have to do both in practice and which ever the pilot did resulted in him watching the lower cylinder head temperature rather then the clock.
1944/5 Yak (VK105PF2) engines were "continuously rated" at the WEP setting of the earlier M105P.
Always thought AC with additive injection should also be limited by the quantity carried. (including fuel factor)
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Saxman is right. Fail rebuttal DENIED!
Ehhhhhhhhh! Sorry, Hans, wrong guess.
A limit is something you CAN'T do. A limitation is something you SHOULDN'T do.
In certification ultimate limits are determined and then limitations are created based on those values. Most limitations can be exceeded safely because the airplane is tested to X % beyond that value to determine what the imposed limitation is. (This is of course illegal and should not be done except in an emergency, and then only as a last resort.) MMO is one such example. Time at Max Rated Thrust is another. If you are going to whack into terrain you're going to push the levers through the detent and not care about time limitations until you are clear of the hazard.
WEP has a five minute limitation. There is nothing to prevent the pilot from overriding that number indefinitely except engine damage or fuel starvation. It is a limitation. (It was exceeded regularly in the field. HiTech has essentially created a compromise because without the computer-imposed five-minute restriction people would fly in WEP all day long.)
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I agree on Yak3 toughness...maybe just lower it's ENY. Thing is a tank but can manuever with the best of them.
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A limit is something you CAN'T do. A limitation is something you SHOULDN'T do.
Your definition of limitation vs. limit is incorrect.
Limit - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/limit?s=t
Limitation - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/limitation?s=t
Now get off my lawn
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He should've used the word restriction instead of limitation. Everybody knows what the word limitation means, even he does. But he's still trying to funk & wagnalls his way out. Intellectual integrity FAIL!
TRIPLE FAIL! :x
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He should've used the word restriction instead of limitation. Everybody knows what the word limitation means, even he does. But he's still trying to funk & wagnalls his way out. Intellectual integrity FAIL!
TRIPLE FAIL! :x
AFMs use the term LIMITATION. A RESTRICTION is something else entirely, usually put in place on a temporary basis by an operator, manufacturer, or agency. (One common use involves a Temporary Flight Restriction due to some delineated circumstance.)
Vraciu - 107, Crowd - 0
You're wrong. You have been outflown and shot down in flames. No number of icons or amount of shouting changes that fact. Deal with it and carry on. :D
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Why is the A-20 much more durable that his similarly sized german and russian counterparts? Like the Me110 is made of paper, and the Tu2 will break down if the pilot silent farts!
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Why is the A-20 much more durable that his similarly sized german and russian counterparts? Like the Me110 is made of paper, and the Tu2 will break down if the pilot silent farts!
And the same silent fart kills the ME410 6k away...
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A-20 should probably not be so much tougher than a B-24... :noid
Oh, and Brewsters that don't have self-sealing fuel tanks and very little armor... :noid
And the Yak 3 ,aka the "flying Yamato"... :noid :noid :noid
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A-20 should probably not be so much tougher than a B-24... :noid
Oh, and Brewsters that don't have self-sealing fuel tanks and very little armor... :noid
And the Yak 3 ,aka the "flying Yamato"... :noid :noid :noid
Been saying it for a while now...Brewster needs it's ENY lowered...same with Yak 3.
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Been saying it for a while now...Brewster needs it's ENY lowered...same with Yak 3.
The Brew is a scrap feeder just like the ki43 zekes and FM2. The only way they can pose a threat to Late war planes is by arriving with lots of excess energy and jumping an un aware opponent, or by jumping into another's knife fight where a friendly LA7 has the enemy pinned down and forced into a knife fight.
A group of Brews or its like without the low ENY planes to assist them are not much of a threat. No need to lower its ENY.
It does however, though not as bad as the yak3, seem to be able to take quite a bit of damage for a small plane with little to no armor.
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Been saying it for a while now...Brewster needs it's ENY lowered...same with Yak 3.
The Brewster does not need its ENY to be lowered. Those that think the Brewster is uber just don't know what they are talking about and really no nothing of the Finnish Brewster.
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There is one general rule when it comes to the Brewster: If it kills you, you screwed up. Fighting in a Brewster means you are on the defensive 90% of the time. Unless the opponent is a complete noob you will have to work really hard to neutralize his E-advantage and against a good opponent you will not succeed. Anyone complaining on the Brew should fly it for a tour.
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And the Yak 3 ,aka the "flying Yamato"... :noid :noid :noid
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The Brewster does not need its ENY to be lowered. Those that think the Brewster is uber just don't know what they are talking about and really no nothing of the Finnish Brewster.
Your right I don't know about the history or the specs of the plane, but you can't deny I have a pretty good knowledge of the game and the fighters in it....and that's what I base my opinion on ENY off of....like it or not it's just my opinion.
If I can up it and land 4-5 kills pretty easily, I think it should have a lower eny....I literally upped it after a conversation about it's eny on 200 and landed 7 in a ozkansas center island furball.....I was flying a K4 prior to that and was having problems getting 2....EVERYONE would agree the K4 is pretty easy mode in the MA.
Instead of 20, I just think it should be 12-15.....you can almost always up no matter the ENY but it isn't a perk farmer.
Again just my opinion
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Junky just because you're really good at flying the Brewster doesn't mean that it should have its ENY lowered.
Maybe it is you who is overpowered. I vote we lower Junky's ENY!! :neener: :joystick:
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Junky just because you're really good at flying the Brewster doesn't mean that it should have its ENY lowered.
Maybe it is you who is overpowered. I vote we lower Junky's ENY!! :neener: :joystick:
He ain't that good. Leave his ENY as is. :banana:
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Junky just because you're really good at flying the Brewster doesn't mean that it should have its ENY lowered.
Maybe it is you who is overpowered. I vote we lower Junky's ENY!! :neener: :joystick:
I've only flown it like 5 times...that's the point...I have a TON of experience in luft rides but I can fly a Brew better???? It's not me it's the plane.
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He ain't that good. Leave his ENY as is. :banana:
You can speak to me when you actually fight your own fights against me big guy :ahand
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I've only flown it like 5 times...that's the point...I have a TON of experience in luft rides but I can fly a Brew better???? It's not me it's the plane.
Fly it for a tour doing and see if you still have the same opinion.
i have flown the Brewster a lot and getting a k/D ratio of >2 isnt that easy. its a lot easier in a dora or a similar plane were you always have the option to disengage and run if it gets too hot. A Brewster is a killer in a low E furball were you can pick off people with bad s/a but in all other cases you will be on the defensive most of the time.
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You can speak to me when you actually fight your own fights against me big guy :ahand
Killed ya plenty. So quit while you're behind.
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"perk the brewster" talks have no room in this thread :furious
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I've only flown it like 5 times...that's the point...I have a TON of experience in luft rides but I can fly a Brew better???? It's not me it's the plane.
By that logic, I should declare the F4F a much better LW Arena fighter than the Bf 109K, La-7 or Ki-84. I have flown the F4F just a few times, but have a much better overall K/D in it.
Also one would clearly expect a much better than it's very much below average A2A K/D, especially when you consider it's a pure fighter never being slowed down by ords and distracted by ground pounding missions.
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By that logic, I should declare the F4F a much better LW Arena fighter than the Bf 109K, La-7 or Ki-84. I have flown the F4F just a few times, but have a much better overall K/D in it.
Also one would clearly expect a much better than it's very much below average A2A K/D, especially when you consider it's a pure fighter never being slowed down by ords and distracted by ground pounding missions.
Valid argument. But would other rides tend to have better K/D because of the caliber of sticks that fly them???
Like the Spit IX has Bruv flying it (or used to) and I bet it's K/D was better then the 8 and 16 when he was strictly killing in that. Or whatever rides your in that month, don't they tend to have a higher K/D??? Wasn't it you flying c205s for a tour and the overall K/D of that plane became like 3:1 when it normally is like a 1:1? Maybe it was someone else....just remember looking at the stats for the plane after I seen it.
Killed ya plenty. So quit while you're behind.
We never had a fight....remember that. :ahand
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Valid argument. But would other rides tend to have better K/D because of the caliber of sticks that fly them???
Like the Spit IX has Bruv flying it (or used to) and I bet it's K/D was better then the 8 and 16 when he was strictly killing in that. Or whatever rides your in that month, don't they tend to have a higher K/D??? Wasn't it you flying c205s for a tour and the overall K/D of that plane became like 3:1 when it normally is like a 1:1? Maybe it was someone else....just remember looking at the stats for the plane after I seen it.
There are very few planes with so little usage a single player or even a small group of them could tilt the stats by so much.
While there are some planes which have their K/D significantly improved by having a cult following, genuine capability and, even more, combat role impact it even more. And as a rule of thumb, planes with a large following generally have somewhat lower K/D.
But if you look at the overall picture, the Brew has a very low A2A K/D for a pure fighter. If it really was such a marvellous LW fighter, it would mean that about every capable pilot in AH is avoiding to fly it it... which makes little sense.
And if you look at the specs, it's quite clear why. It lacks level top speed, acceleration/climb rate and it quickly sheds speed after a dive. It needs a pretty good, disciplined and aware pilot to overcome these limitations on a regular base.
Last, but no least, ENY value in game does not only reflect a theoretical capability based on raw performance figure, but even more the actual role, usage and impact a plane has in a particular arena. The Brew is a relatively little used dogfighter with even less success. (I will post another chart later today)
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There are very few planes with so little usage a single player or even a small group of them could tilt the stats by so much.
While there are some planes which have their K/D significantly improved by having a cult following, genuine capability and, even more, combat role impact it even more. And as a rule of thumb, planes with a large following generally have somewhat lower K/D.
But if you look at the overall picture, the Brew has a very low A2A K/D for a pure fighter. If it really was such a marvellous LW fighter, it would mean that about every capable pilot in AH is avoiding to fly it it... which makes little sense.
And if you look at the specs, it's quite clear why. It lacks level top speed, acceleration/climb rate and it quickly sheds speed after a dive. It needs a pretty good, disciplined and aware pilot to overcome these limitations on a regular base.
Last, but no least, ENY value in game does not only reflect a theoretical capability based on raw performance figure, but even more the actual role, usage and impact a plane has in a particular arena. The Brew is a relatively little used dogfighter with even less success. (I will post another chart later today)
No need for chart...I believe you :) Might just have to fly it for a tour and see how my numbers turn out....been wanting to do this with a lot of planes but I get ADD and just want to fly something else...or up at a Vulch over and over.
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As i said, fly the Brewster for a tour and see for yourself, not just upping from a vulched field but doing all the stuff you normally do.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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No need for chart...
But I did it anyway :D ---> http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345669.msg5031509.html#msg5031509
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But I did it anyway :D ---> http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,345669.msg5031509.html#msg5031509
NERD!!!!!! :aok
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See Rule #4