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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on February 20, 2016, 09:28:39 PM
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For a scenario in June, do you want:
A. 12-hour format (like Target for Today).
or
B. Traditional 4-frame format.
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For the theme of the battle, do you want:
D. Eastern Front (Luftwaffe vs. Soviets)
E. North Africa (British and US vs. Luftwaffe)
F. Pacific (US vs. Japan)
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G. ETO (US vs. Luftwaffe)
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June eh? I immediately think of 1) El Alamein, 2) Operation Barbarosa, or 3) Midway (my picks in that order). I myself am partial to the 12 hour setup, figure I can get one full day off to myself easier than I can get four half-days off.
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4 frames and PTO for me. But I'll be happy to play any of them.
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A & D please.
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NO
12 hour had the highest participation in years so I vote for 12 hour and I would like to do 12 hours of Aldertag Battle of Britain
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B and G
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B and G here also...............sitting for more then three hours kills me.
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I like the traditional 4 frame setup myself with 2 lives. Maybe do away with the launch windows and just let me take my second life whenever I want. As for the battle, I vote for PTO near some little island called Rabaul including a certain USN squadron detached from the carriers with certain blue planes. :devil
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I like the four frames. But would suggest that you continue the launch window concept for anyone that dies or is captured. It adds even more importance to staying alive. I would like more launch windows though cause I tend to die.
As for a battle what about the battles for Yap around June of 44. It involved Air Corps and Navy.. It is took place with several battle starting in April in ending in June. :airplane:
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Four standard two life frames starting with BoB, evolving and ending with BOG.
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Scenario's needs players...one day off is much easier than 4. So A.
D or F.
(World War I scenario. Add in M8s and M3s for flair :grin: )
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A and F I liked target for today because you don't have to participate all through the event you can fly on and off and plus I like the Japanese vs Americans scenarios :cheers:
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When weather is good, I suggest concentrating on less, and shorter scenarios.
The number of special events can be over taxing where as a single, super,, special event might fill it up with more hype time.
These super, special events should feature fighters, heavy fighters, bombers and tanks. Both land based and sea.
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I'd like to see a winter war scenario, we could put those Finnish skins to good use and put the Finns up against those devilish communists.
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A and E please
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Thy not finish a conventional 4 frame scenario with 12 hour frame? Best of both worlds. D or E on the preferable setup
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A and D for me. :salute
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I like the traditional 4 frame setup myself with 2 lives. Maybe do away with the launch windows and just let me take my second life whenever I want. As for the battle, I vote for PTO near some little island called Rabaul including a certain USN squadron detached from the carriers with certain blue planes. :devil
Second. :D
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None of the above.
Interest is down and I feel design and structure needs to be new and different. This change is not only to keep old players interested, but also in an attempt to find what the newer players enjoy (or maybe even draw new players).
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I feel design and structure needs to be new and different.
Such as?
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None of the above.
So, no Soviets vs. Luftwaffe, or US vs. Luftwaffe, or US/British vs. Luftwaffe, or US vs. Japan.
Some alternate-history matchups could be US vs. Soviets, Japan vs. Soviets, Japan vs. Germany (a Man in the High Castle scenario). One day, I'd like to do one of those, but not as the next scenario. They are interesting, but players have on average preferred historical match-ups when in the past we've discussed alternate-history scenarios, although we did run two less-aggressively-alternate histories with "The Final Battle" and "Operation Downfall".
Also, no 12-hour format or 4-frame format.
But the 12-hour format is new, having been done only once before. Attendance for it was 316 players, so attendance seems to be one of the strong suits of the 12-hour format.
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12 hr BOB :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
:joystick: :airplane:
FTW!!!! :aok
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I will have to look later but I think there was a indecent where P-51s attacked some Russian aircraft. That would be fun.
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I will have to look later but I think there was a indecent where P-51s attacked some Russian aircraft. That would be fun.
Historically interesting, yes. But you can't base a scenario off of an atypical happenstance.
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A and D :aok
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Since I work on Saturdays it's easier to do one event on one day rather than try to be there a whole month. With that said if we could an event at 7PM EST on Saturdays like BoG that would also be great, for me anyway.
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I'd like to see an event where we the Tu-2's can participate or a 12 hour BoB.
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Some alternate-history matchups could be...
Screw alternate history... Finns vs. Russ!!!
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Also you don't really need to count on my vote as I'm offline for a while (also for this kind of scenario I'll probably renew my account ;-) )
B & D (also A & D may be ok - I'm not big fun of 12h scenario)
And regarding D I strongly suggest to do some stuff with new planes we have in AH at Eastern front:
Early period 1941 and early 42, Barbarossa, defense of Moscow, Leningrad etc - I think it can be great setup with all the planes we get
- I-16, Yak-1b & IL-2, note at this point the lend-lease was very minimal - and it is critical I'd limit to some Hurricane I - but not many
- 109E, 109F-4, Ju-87, He-111, Bf-110c, limited Ju-88
Also Yak-1b is later model so F-4 - it would match each other
Very Late Eastern period (already in Europe)
- La-5, La-7 (lower numbers), Yak-9 and Yak-3 (limited), IL-2, Tu-2 (too shame we don't have Pe-2)
- 109G6, 190A8, 190F and limited 109G14/K + 190D, Ju-88, Ju-87
And of course there is always possibility to do some very cool 1948 stuff :rock
That has significant portion of work done: http://cppcms.com/files/ah/1948/1948-ah2-event.pdf
This one can indeed be played in 12h format
(http://www.ahevents.org/images/stories/svrtest/isrv1splash.png)
(http://cppcms.com/files/ah/1948/ava-3.jpg)
For that one I'll defenatelly be back :x
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An old AvA setup I was privileged to be part of:
Finally the combined Allied forces in the Pacific are ready to mount an assault deep into the Empire's backyard. It's been a long hard war with many losses and setbacks. The campaign in Europe has finally ground to a conclusion. All available resources have been sent to deal with the Japanese.
Situated only 360 miles from the Home Islands the Imperial Japanese Command has designated that Okinawa is to be a key component of the inner defensive ring around Japan. They have massed forces such as suicide boats and submarines all around the island in a last ditch effort to push back the Allied advance. Their best men and equipment stand ready.
For nearly 1 year the Allies have struggled to get to this point. This attack is to be the largest that the war has ever seen.
Allied Intelligence has told all air units to be on the lookout for unusual contacts. It is feared that the technology the Germans employed prior to their defeat may have been shared with the Japanese.
A flight of four U.S. Navy Corsairs confirmed that fear with a radio transmission prior to their loss:
"Henhouse this is Blue one, we have contacts ... high speed contrails ... holy .."
"Say again, Blue one"
"These contacts are amazingly fast. Like nothing I've ever seen ... Danny break!"
"Blue one ... say again. Are you engaged with the contacts?"
"Roger Henhouse. We are under attack."
"Say again your coordinates, Blue one .... "
(radio silence)
"Blue one are you there?"
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Admiral Halsey sat back in his chair after reading the intelligence memo and closed his eyes.
"It's worse than we thought then, isn't it Bob?"
Halsey's chief of staff, Rear Admiral Robert Carney looked deadly serious.
"Yes sir. The Japanese are much farther along in jet aircraft production than was previously estimated."
"Dammit to hell! Intel really screwed the pooch on this one. We've got Japanese jets flying all over Okinawa! Any word on our own? What have we got to meet them head on?"
"We just don't have the strips to operate our P-80s off of ... nor the British Meteors for that matter. Besides, even if we did, those "Shooting Stars" have short legs and are maintenance nightmares ... hell, most of the Air Corps pilots call it a death trap anyhow. The Fireball project fell behind when funding was transferred after ..."
"Yes, I know ... after we damned near blew up New Mexico. I wish those politicians and scientists eager to build big bombs we can't even deliver would stop taking money from the projects that WOULD help end this war, dammit!
So we're going to have to fight jet aircraft with prop planes. Well get ComAirSouthPac on the horn and apprise him of the situation. See if he can have something for me ASAP. If we can't fly as fast as the enemy we damned well better have him surrounded. I don't want any more scouting patrols jumped. From now on we operate in force."
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The planeset for both sides
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Japan
Me 262 (reskinned to represent Karyu) Perked to 10 points and limited bases
Me 163 (reskinned to represent J8M) Perked to 5 points and limited bases
Ar 234 (reskinned ) NO PERKS but limited bases
N1K 2J George
Ki 61 Tony
A6M2 Zeke
A6M5 Zero
Val
Kate
Ki 67 Peggy
C47 for troop and supply
Here is the airbase layout for the Karyu (Me-262). Base locations of 10,18,24,26,29,30,32,34,37. The last four bases are all in the North of the map and on 2-3 islands.
Here is the airbase layout for the Nitaka (Ar-234). Base locations of 10,13,18,24,29,30,32,34,37. Again the last four bases are all in the northern most area of the map.
Here is the airbase layout for the J8M (Me-163). Base locations of 10,12,13,18,20,26,32,34,37. Simply because it would have been a "simpler" aircraft to build and put in place easier than the more complicated jet aircraft.
All other Imperial Japanese aircraft are placed at all available bases on the map and the vehicles are available at all bases as well.
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Allies
C47 for troop and supply
U.S.N.
F4U-4
F4U-C
F6F-5
TBM
U.S.A.A.C
P-51D
P-47D-30
P-38L
B-17G
The Royals
Tempest
Spitfire 14
All US and RAF aircraft are available from the single US base that is controlled to the west of Okinawa. USN aircraft and RN are available on carriers.
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Vehicles Available:
Both sides will have all M class vehicles available
Tigers ARE NOT AVAILABLE!
Fleets 1,3,4 and 5 are active the others are bugged and will be moved to locations far away as Rook. Japanese Fleet is ok for the setup.
Fuel Burn Rate of .5[/COLOR]
Following settings from Bradys previous Okinawa setups:
Fleat hardness will by 50% of MA standard, 4k for a Cv and 750 pounds for any other ship.
All bases have SB's they will be set to 5k, as apposed to 4k which is their default setting.
The Ack gun hardenss will be increased to 50KG.
Ack is set at .7 as is normal in the CT.
Dot dar will be at 20 miles for enemy and unlimited for friendly.
500 foot height for dar.
Thanks to Slash27 for the initial idea; Arlo for the write up and the website (I wish I hadn't dismantled it); Dux for the new skins; Brady for the ideas on perks and opposition thinking; Squire and TheBug for being opposition and helping us rethink some stuff; Rafe35 for some information and links. (Geez what kind of grammar is that.)
This was truly a joint work of many people digging up information and I appreciate having had the chance to work with all of them on this; since it was the first true collaboration within the CT Development Group.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,108016.0.html
It was before the intro if the 29s.
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Its August 1940...
The Battle of Britain is fixing to get nasty...
And the Germans are growing impatient...
The next Aces High Scenario....Adlerangriff ("Eagle Attack") The Battle of Britain will be decided now....
This will be a 12 hour scenario, broken down into 4, 3 hour Frames...
Frame 1 - Aldertag The assault on radar sites and airfields (We will allow 109 Es to carry bombs like the real battle) Epro 210 also big factor the first 3 hour run...
Frame 2 - The Greatest Day Massive bombing runs by the Huns....
Frame 3 - The Hardest Day More massive bombing....
Frame 4 - Endgame Raid on London....Followed by the huge furball we had after the last BOB scenario :rock :rock :rock
Now just like Target for Today there would be a general objective to each frame that must be hit or rather obliterated within the 3 hour frame but that doesn't stop the CO from upping a raid for the next Frame during the prior Frame (see what happened in Target for Today). There will be a flight window at every hour (cause that's the way it worked best...keeps everyone in action and if your shot down right after an hour window closes it gives you time to eat and stretch your legs)
AND Roc (who will come out of retirement for this one) promised us that after this last scenario (sorry I didn't fly in it...I'm just so sick of Italy) we would get our 12 hour BOB...
This will be the BIG ONE everyone has been waiting for....the OOB and almost everything else is already set up...small logistical things must be worked through but this will be an easy one to set up...
Also I would like to be the first one to call a 109 squadron (called one in another thread...but that doesn't matter now :devil)
So...I suggest we hurry up and put this one out there...at least by the end of March...give us time (real time) to drum up support for it...
Adlerangriff
The Battle of Britain
An Aces High Scenario....Coming to a Saturday in June near you!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
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A & G Please.
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And of course there is always possibility to do some very cool 1948 stuff :rock
That has significant portion of work done: http://cppcms.com/files/ah/1948/1948-ah2-event.pdf
This one can indeed be played in 12h format
(http://www.ahevents.org/images/stories/svrtest/isrv1splash.png)
(http://cppcms.com/files/ah/1948/ava-3.jpg)
For that one I'll defenatelly be back :x
That's interesting. I would definitely like to do that one some day.
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Such as?
I should not have typed that and left. Apologies!
So, no Soviets vs. Luftwaffe, or US vs. Luftwaffe, or US/British vs. Luftwaffe, or US vs. Japan.
Also, no 12-hour format or 4-frame format.
But the 12-hour format is new, having been done only once before. Attendance for it was 316 players, so attendance seems to be one of the strong suits of the 12-hour format.
The reason the 12 hour format worked and had high attendance is because it was new and exciting. If every event was 12 hours, you would find declining attendance with that as well. All I am saying is things need to be mixed up to keep the declining player (and younger) clientele interested.
Gone are the days (sadly) that forum chatter ramped up excitement even before the first frame.
Gone are the days (sadly) that many players are wiling to sit at their computer screens and not find a single enemy and still enjoy the event.
Gone are the days (sadly) when playing the event was more important than scoring.
I would not want to be a CM; you guys need to design, advertise, and keep an eroding community from disappearing altogether.
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I should not have typed that and left. Apologies!
No problem. I thought there was something coming like, "Well, since you asked . . ." and then a setup previously thought to be completely crazy and impossible. :aok
If every event was 12 hours, you would find declining attendance with that as well.
I think that you are right. It's like DGS and BOG, two scenarios that have had high attendance and high ratings. If we ran them a lot, people would get tired of repeating the same thing.
All I am saying is things need to be mixed up to keep the declining player (and younger) clientele interested.
I do think it's necessary to mix up the style of battle, scenario to scenario. I don't think we need to change the format every time, though, because there aren't a lot of format choices. Basically, you run N battles of length M, where N can be 1-4 (as more than 4 doesn't work these days) and M is 3-12 hours. Maybe a 24-hour one? I don't know. That might be really hard to avoid it being derailed by a group of 10 guys coming on at 3 am when no one else is on and milkrunning the map.
Gone are the days (sadly) that forum chatter that ramped up excitement even before the first frame.
I think so, but I'll keep trying to get it back. That brick wall will give before my head does!
Gone are the days (sadly) that many players are wiling to sit at their computer screens and not find a single enemy.
I am not a fan of that myself, though, and I'm the world's most-dedicated scenario player. ;) I strongly aim for scenario designs that have a very low probability of that happening -- preferably zero.
Gone are the days (sadly) when playing the event was more important than scoring.
I think it's about the same as it has been for many years. There are some players who are keen on scoring aspects, but the majority don't seem to care too much. The main thing enjoyed on average is action and not meeting overwhelming force (although they are OK if they are on the overwhelming side).
I would not want to be a CM; you guys need to design, advertise, and keep an eroding community from disappearing altogether.
I hear you.
The most-frustrating thing for me is when I go into the MA and try to get players who have never tried a special event to try it once. Most of them will not give it even one try. To me, it is like going up to someone who eats hamburgers every day, which are fantastic, high-quality hamburgers, yes -- but he's never heard of steak. You try to convince him to have a free dinner of prime porterhouse steak, baked potato smothered in butter, and nice glass of wine, and he isn't interested in even trying it once.
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The 12 hour thing was new, but many people only showed for a single block. Trying to avoid wife ack for 4 Saturdays in the summer is difficult to say the least. I could swing a 3 hour block and then people from all over the world can play at the time that suits them. I was the axis CO for that event and had a few stay all 12 but most only flew part of the day. That it why it worked. I understand as a CM having to be there all 12 would suck. But you could devide the responsibility over 4 people aND run 4 frames that are separate just all on the same day
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Its August 1940...
The Battle of Britain is fixing to get nasty...
And the Germans are growing impatient...
The next Aces High Scenario....Adlerangriff ("Eagle Attack") The Battle of Britain will be decided now....
This will be a 12 hour scenario, broken down into 4, 3 hour Frames...
Frame 1 - Aldertag The assault on radar sites and airfields (We will allow 109 Es to carry bombs like the real battle) Epro 210 also big factor the first 3 hour run...
Frame 2 - The Greatest Day Massive bombing runs by the Huns....
Frame 3 - The Hardest Day More massive bombing....
Frame 4 - Endgame Raid on London....Followed by the huge furball we had after the last BOB scenario :rock :rock :rock
Now just like Target for Today there would be a general objective to each frame that must be hit or rather obliterated within the 3 hour frame but that doesn't stop the CO from upping a raid for the next Frame during the prior Frame (see what happened in Target for Today). There will be a flight window at every hour (cause that's the way it worked best...keeps everyone in action and if your shot down right after an hour window closes it gives you time to eat and stretch your legs)
AND Roc (who will come out of retirement for this one) promised us that after this last scenario (sorry I didn't fly in it...I'm just so sick of Italy) we would get our 12 hour BOB...
This will be the BIG ONE everyone has been waiting for....the OOB and almost everything else is already set up...small logistical things must be worked through but this will be an easy one to set up...
Also I would like to be the first one to call a 109 squadron (called one in another thread...but that doesn't matter now :devil)
So...I suggest we hurry up and put this one out there...at least by the end of March...give us time (real time) to drum up support for it...
Adlerangriff
The Battle of Britain
An Aces High Scenario....Coming to a Saturday in June near you!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
:noid
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Just add the sea rescue part front the last BoB so if you get a bail or ditch, you can get back to a base and fly again to account for multiple missions flown by those guys In a day.
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Yeah I forgot about the rescue part...you could use that as a way to reup in between hour launch windows... :aok
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My completely selfish request would be A and G.
I absolutely loved the 12 hour format. I understand how grueling it would be for the leaders/CMs though.
Wiley.
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I'm not a fan of features that add a lot of work for the CM (either through having to spend a bunch of time administering it during the game or pouring through logs to calculate or police things) or require roles that most players don't want to do.
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I'm not a fan of features that add a lot of work for the CM (either through having to spend a bunch of time administering it during the game or pouring through logs to calculate or police things) or require roles that most players don't want to do.
hear hear...
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Its been a long time since I participated in these, but I always thought the best aspect of the scenarios was its immersion - I'm not sure if its relatively the same now as it used to be.
Again, i'm speaking from experience (from a while ago) so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt Brooke, but it might be a good idea to sort of retool the scenario into something more attractive to the current player base. Maybe Skuzzy or Hitech could put out a game wide survey for you and have them ask questions like what kind of scenarios would you like to see and how many frames would you be willing to commit to. I think once you establish a strong player base again (160-200) you would be able to start re-introducing what has typically been successful for the scenario genre.
I think that means the next scenario needs to involve aircraft that are popular in the LW arena's. A late 1944 matchup between the soviets and germans would probably get a lot of MA interest. Are GV's still popular? That could be a fun addition.
I really need to play this game again. sigh. :old:
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Thanks, Subway. It's great to see you here.
A survey at game startup is likely not available for a special event, but it is a good thought. I think CM's asked about it in the past. I should look into that.
GV's are popular in the MA, but GV'ers don't tend to play in or care about special events. I don't think GV's are useful for increasing special-event participation.
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I like the concept of GVs in a scenario, unfortunately the tank drivers don't attend and those that want to fly get stuck tanking instead. Not only that but the addition of many GVs with the usual load of dogfighting above makes for some really bad frame rates.
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I like the concept of GVs in a scenario, unfortunately the tank drivers don't attend and those that want to fly get stuck tanking instead.
Not enough spawn camping for the dedicated GVer.
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After many cries by the GV crowd about a scenario for them, the CMs finally ran one and none of the guys who wanted it showed up.
Sad
But I still had a blast on that one :D
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Well if your going to do the gv thing wouldn't that be a tank assault with CAS aircraft and the opponents trying to stop the land assault, :cool: You could have the germans sweeping into Belgium France With a squad for air superiority and every one else in CAS aircraft to simulate the air support of the Blitzkrieg. Germany..Or go late war with the Russian CAS assault into Germany. :headscratch:
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Ditto is correct.
Over the years, we have tried our best to get dedicated GV'ers to participate. It turned out that very few dedicated GV'ers attend scenarios, regardless of what you do.
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I'm in favor of either a MW/LW eastern front showdown (maybe finland/germany vs USSR to get the finns interested!) or a Philippines campaign! Carriers are always fun and people like the LW carrier based aircraft.
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A and D, please.
By Frame 4 of Southern Conquest, I was bracketed by Wife Ack and no amount of $$$...$...$$...$...$$$ was going to save me.
Easier to get in one EPIC Saturday.
:salute
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I was bracketed by Wife Ack and no amount of $$$...$...$$...$...$$$ was going to save me.
Easier to get in one EPIC Saturday.
:salute
That's why we need an EPIC 12 HOUR BATTLE OF BRITAIN
One can only imagine how much participation an event of this caliber would garner....
All our friends across the pond would be here for sure...
Target for Today would be but a passing memory...
But when you mention.... Adlerangriff....The Epic 12 Hour Battle of Britain...players would be like "Yeah that was the best scenario ever!!!! Nonstop action for 12 hours, swarms of 109s screaming in on unsuspecting Spitfires. The whole of the British mainland was nothing but a smoking hole, with pieces of Hurricanes and Spitfires strewn about the countryside..."
So my friends...Vote YES for the 12 Hour Battle of Britain...you'll be glad you did...
Not paid for by any candidate...Anti-Horde approves this message :aok
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I'd love to see a Kursk scenario. Massive concentrated air/land battle . OR perhaps a jump around time periods and theaters hodgepodge kind of scenario.
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But when you mention.... Adlerangriff....The Epic 12 Hour Battle of Britain...players would be like "Yeah that was the best scenario ever!!!! Nonstop action for 12 hours, swarms of 109s diving on suspecting Spitfires that reverse them and put them in the channel.
So my friends...Vote YES for the 12 Hour Battle of Britain...you'll be glad you did...
FIXED.
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Interest is down and I feel design and structure needs to be new and different.
Apologies for jumping in for a hijack at this point ...
Actually interest is not really down... while this last scenario had some very low attendance in absolute numbers, the relative mobilization was quite average this time. There had been many scenarios with a smaller part of the AH population taking part in the past.
It's just that 4% participation now ain't as much as 4% participation back in the day when you had three times as many players. I think the Special Events CM team is facing a tremendous challenge these days.
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It's just that 4% participation now ain't as much as 4% participation back in the day when you had three times as many players.
That is what I was referring to although I know of a few players that keep their account active for scenarios.
Lusche, as I said before, the CMs need to keep interest alive to keep interest (and AH) alive. It is a huge burden that hopefully will be easier with the new release.
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By the way, folks, there is only one main solution to what you are discussing. It's not a new version of the game or a special format of battle or special variability event to event.
It is . . .
Players recruiting other players into scenarios.
That is the magical solution.
If you truly want to do something to increase participation, that's the thing to do.
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I work on recruiting players for every scenario. I post things in the boards. I talk it up in the Main Arenas when I'm there. I get some players that way.
I also recruit brand-new players -- co-workers, my Dad, and people I meet if in conversation I find out that they like WWII history or airplanes. I'm only one person, but half my bomber group in Southern Conquest are such people. The latest guy, a friend's brother, flew in AH for the first time in frame 1 of Southern Conquest after I spent an hour or two getting him up to speed in the game. He loved it. He will now be a scenario player.
We will not reliably increase participation by trying to think of ever new ways to have historical airplane battles, which are after all fixed in history. All you do with ever increasing attempts at novelty is slightly to delay the departure of players who are half out the door anyway. You can't fix someone's lack of enthusiasm -- that is mostly an internal timeline. There aren't many people who have stayed in the game forever. I can think of only two who started in the late 1980's and are still active today -- me and 715 -- but over the 28 years I've been flying on-line, I've interacted with hundreds of guys who start, reach a burning peak of enthusiasm, then enter a declining period, and eventually drift off, not because of anything in the game, but because that is for most people an inevitable internal process.
However --
Get a new player into scenarios, and to him, it is all new, and he is fresh blood, we hope with enthusiasm, not a dried out husk who will be gone soon no matter what you do.
Recruit, recruit, recruit.
That is where it is at.
And along the way, we will make great scenarios that we love -- always aiming for the +5 "absolutely loved it" rating! :aok
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Also, to echo Lusche's comment, when I was announcing for people to join us for frame 4, we had about 70 people and the MA had about 180 -- we had about 50% of the MA total. In past scenarios where you remember us having 200 in the scenario, the MA was 600 players.
Thus, we are actually doing well by historical standards on percent participation.
Also, we can make very fun, completely historical scenarios geared toward nearly any number of people. A lot of the historical battles you read about from pilots' perspectives were not 100 friendlies mixing it up with 100 enemies all in proximity. A lot of what individual pilots experienced were smaller engagements than that.
So fear not, and continue to recruit, recruit, recruit. :aok
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This is a great thread, lots of great discussion.
I would love to write and host another 12 Hour scenario. I really am pleased to see such good feedback on it here and the other thread.
Let's see when AH3 finishes up and what special event terrains can be built initially and we will go from there. <S>
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I forgot to add that it would be really great if the drones are stable enough to be available in AH3 are available to perform non-combat roles in the air (maybe tank drivers too) during scenarios. It may be even possible to run Kursk with as few as 40 players and have a completely immersive experience!
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A or B Doesn't matter.
F Early F. Something that uses a LOT of Betty's, B5N's and D3A's. :D
I was finally able to put in for the parts today, via next day air. So I'll have them in before next scenario. :D The only draw back will be if I can keep a Sat/Sun schedule or not. :noid
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I've been reading The Fight in the Clouds by James Busha, and I must say that I am ready for another 8th Air Force vs Luftwaffe scenario with my P-51 D. I believe that type of scenario is the best because it's the classic match up that we've read about since we were wee tots.
In all seriousness though I'd love to see an 8th AF vs Luftwaffe or a 1942 Soviet vs Luftwaffe. I do well flying 109's against the Russians and I wanna get immersed as Luftwaffe pilot! :salute
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While I would love to see the vast ocean underneath my bomber, whatever involves bombers and strategic targets, I'm all in! :x
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While I would love to see the vast ocean underneath my bomber, whatever involves bombers and strategic targets, I'm all in! :x
Cough......12 hr BOB..........Cough
:bolt:
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In a bomber being shot at by 30MM cannons or by .303 rifle bullets? :D
12 hour BOB :banana:
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Yes! Just Imagine this:
1030 Hours, RAF Tangmere, August 1940.
Pilot Officer BFOOT1 sat in the lawn chair outside of the dispersal hut for 601 Squadron RAF. He's been flying Hurricanes with 601 since Germany invaded France. It's a warm summer day, with a slight breeze blowing across the lawn. The Hurricanes parked a few yards away are ready for whatever may come their way. The phone rings in the dispersal hut, and every pilot and crewman stops in their tracks to hear the news. "601 SCRAMBLE!"
The pilots of 601 sprint to their aircraft knowing the Luftwaffe is on the way. PO BFOOT climbs into the cockpit of his Hurricane, with his batman helping him strap on. With a thumbs up and a wink and a smile, BFOOT1's Hurricane roars to life. The Rolls-Royce Merlin begins to pur a sweet rhythm. The Hurricanes begin to roll across the airfield gaining speed. They are split into sections with BFOOT1 leading Yellow Section. Red Section, led by Squadron Leader Ward, is in the lead followed by Blue, Yellow and Green section. Each section is made up of three pilots forming a vic formation. The Hurricanes turn to the channel and begin to climb.
(In jolly good English accent) "Weapon Leader this is Hardtop Control, do you have a copy? Over."
"Hardtop Control this is Weapon Leader I have a copy."
"Roger Weapon Leader, climb to angels two-zero, vector 090 for intercept. Enemy bombers estimated at seventy-five plus, watch out for escorts."
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Yellow Section breaks through the clouds. Just off the nose BFOOT can see black dots everywhere. As 601 Squadron closes in he can see the bombers He-111's, being escorted by Me-110's and Me-109's. Looking at the contrails, he can see the aerial dance that is taking place. Other squadrons of Hurricanes and Spitfires are already engaged or are racing to intercept.
"This Red One, all sections attack, attack, go, go ,go."
Red Section makes a head on pass at the lead bomber. A burst from all three Hurricanes sets the lead He-111's engine ablaze, and she slowly slips beneath the clouds.
BFOOT finds a bomber filling his gun sight and quick. A quick burst is all he is able to get off before he does a flick roll over to split S behind the bombers.
To be continued :D
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To be continued :D
August 13th is a Saturday this year... Just sayin' :D
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August 13th is a Saturday this year... Just sayin' :D
YES!!!!! :x
:rock :rock :rock :joystick: :airplane:
That would give us plenty of time to spam the heck outta everyone and everything.... :banana:
Still got dibs on a 109 squad :neener:
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OK, here's the plan.
June will be a 4-frame Eastern Front scenario (assuming I can get an upgraded map for the next version of AH).
October will be 12-hour (or something along those lines) with the battle theme to be determined after June.
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OK, here's the plan.
June will be a 4-frame Eastern Front scenario (assuming I can get an upgraded map for the next version of AH).
October will be 12-hour (or something along those lines) with the battle theme to be determined after June.
When will AH3 be released, or at least a time frame?
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When will AH3 be released, or at least a time frame?
I don't know -- just assuming it would be before June. If not, then current maps are OK.
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OK, folks -- now on to designing the scenario.
If you'd like to participate, the discussion is here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,377968.0.html
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I don't know -- just assuming it would be before June. If not, then current maps are OK.
Run it in the Beta if AH3 is still in testing. You might get quite a draw.
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Run it in the Beta if AH3 is still in testing. You might get quite a draw.
Interesting idea.
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Interesting idea.
I think so, as well. :)
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I just want to throw my 2 cents in here real quick.
I'd like a scenario where we all get the good stuff. The perk planes, the planes many of us fly or want to fly when possible in the MA.
I know it would be an alternate history scenario but I'd like to see the allies with B29's Tempests, P47M/N's, P51's, Spit14's and 16's etc. against the Luftwaffe's finest, ME262's, AR234's TA152's and Dora's.
Maybe the plane set is unbalanced because of the technological advantage the Germans had with their Jet Aircraft, I understand that. Balance might be adjusted by simply weighting the allied side with more pilots than the Axis.
I am prepared to be beat up after school by the flagpole for this wish.
:devil
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We have had 163's, 262's, and 234's in scenarios before (BOG, the Final Battle, DGS II, etc.).
I'm not a fan of them. I think that they they are unbalancing and frustrating except to the tiny number of people who get to fly them.
All of the prop planes are OK, and we have late-war ones in scenarios from time to time.
The Pacific War
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201406_PacificWar/pics/frame4/011-down-SNAG-0022.jpg)
Winter Sky
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201204_winterSkyDeathGround/pics/frame4/015-killTempest-SNAG-0023.jpg)
Der Grosse Schlag II
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201204_winterSkyDeathGround/pics/frame3/003-snapWing-SNAG-0003.jpg)
The Final Battle
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201003_finalBattle/pics/frame4/007-down-Image-0016.jpg)
Operation Downfall
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200607_downfall/pics/frame1/017_P47Joins.jpg)
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200607_downfall/pics/frame1/020b_gotMe.jpg)
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A and D
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I just want to throw my 2 cents in here real quick.
I'd like a scenario where we all get the good stuff. The perk planes, the planes many of us fly or want to fly when possible in the MA.
I know it would be an alternate history scenario but I'd like to see the allies with B29's Tempests, P47M/N's, P51's, Spit14's and 16's etc. against the Luftwaffe's finest, ME262's, AR234's TA152's and Dora's.
Maybe the plane set is unbalanced because of the technological advantage the Germans had with their Jet Aircraft, I understand that. Balance might be adjusted by simply weighting the allied side with more pilots than the Axis.
I am prepared to be beat up after school by the flagpole for this wish.
:devil
I love the Idea but b29s would have to be capped at 25k or only the ta152s will catch them/be in the fight.
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I love the Idea but b29s would have to be capped at 25k or only the ta152s will catch them/be in the fight.
In The Pacific War, alt was capped.
I was worried about attacking B-29's in Japanese fighters, but it was about the same as attacking B-17's or B-24's.
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Granted I know we already have something in the works but I would love to see another North Africa event were I can fly my B25s in that sexy desert camo.
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/GenBeef/DOBF1S1P38s2.jpg)
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/GenBeef/DOBF1S2HeadingHome.jpg)
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I love North Africa, too.
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The most-frustrating thing for me is when I go into the MA and try to get players who have never tried a special event to try it once. Most of them will not give it even one try. To me, it is like going up to someone who eats hamburgers every day, which are fantastic, high-quality hamburgers, yes -- but he's never heard of steak. You try to convince him to have a free dinner of prime porterhouse steak, baked potato smothered in butter, and nice glass of wine, and he isn't interested in even trying it once.
Some people do not want to expend any energy beyond, "yup, right now I want to get online and shoot down some airplanes. Nothing more, nothing less. That's all I want right now, so the MA is fine. Don't bother me."
Others don't have any real desire to try and experience the historical events, nor military simulation. They have no desire to exercise the discipline and patience required to participate in a scenario or FSO. To them it seems all a bore. Others are just not joiners or have no sense of adventure. We are mired in the Age of APATHY.
Somehow we have find a hook to get them to experience the adrenaline rush of a scenario frame just once.
What would be nice would be a simple one time, one frame demonstration FSO/Scenario-type event, with some kind of incentive (the 'carrot') to get people to join just that once.
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Otherwise, I'm all for A as I haven't been in one yet, and any scenario except F. I like Luftwaffe planes.
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Otherwise, I'm all for A as I haven't been in one yet, and any scenario except F. I like Luftwaffe planes.
Hey Sloe maybe we can wing up again for this scenario it's been awhile sir :salute
Good to see ya buddy hope everything is well :cheers:
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So any idea when the next scenario is to take place. My health issues completely took me out of the last one :bhead :bhead :bhead. I don't want to miss the next one for sure :old: :old: :old: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute :salute :salute
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So any idea when the next scenario is to take place. My health issues completely took me out of the last one :bhead :bhead :bhead. I don't want to miss the next one for sure :old: :old: :old: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute :salute :salute
June.
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They say... "Great Minds Think Alike". Had the same idea when I saw your post Mr. BFoot. We'll have to see where we're both heading to signup next scenario.
FYI - I'm basically healthy again, after a very horrible 2015, and I have a big, new powerful video card all ready for AH III.
Take care.
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What Yaks are in this scenario and do they have leadership and staffing? Pigs are interested.
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The plane set is:
La-5FN
Yak-9T
Yak-7b
P-39Q
Il-2
Tu-2S
Bf 109G-6
FW 190A-5
FW 190F-8
Ju 88A-4
For status of leadership positions, please contact SubwayCH (as LW CO) or ROC (as VVS CO).
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Its August 1940...
The Battle of Britain is fixing to get nasty...
And the Germans are growing impatient...
The next Aces High Scenario....Adlerangriff ("Eagle Attack") The Battle of Britain will be decided now....
This will be a 12 hour scenario, broken down into 4, 3 hour Frames...
Frame 1 - Aldertag The assault on radar sites and airfields (We will allow 109 Es to carry bombs like the real battle) Epro 210 also big factor the first 3 hour run...
Frame 2 - The Greatest Day Massive bombing runs by the Huns....
Frame 3 - The Hardest Day More massive bombing....
Frame 4 - Endgame Raid on London....Followed by the huge furball we had after the last BOB scenario :rock :rock :rock
Now just like Target for Today there would be a general objective to each frame that must be hit or rather obliterated within the 3 hour frame but that doesn't stop the CO from upping a raid for the next Frame during the prior Frame (see what happened in Target for Today). There will be a flight window at every hour (cause that's the way it worked best...keeps everyone in action and if your shot down right after an hour window closes it gives you time to eat and stretch your legs)
AND Roc (who will come out of retirement for this one) promised us that after this last scenario (sorry I didn't fly in it...I'm just so sick of Italy) we would get our 12 hour BOB...
This will be the BIG ONE everyone has been waiting for....the OOB and almost everything else is already set up...small logistical things must be worked through but this will be an easy one to set up...
Also I would like to be the first one to call a 109 squadron (called one in another thread...but that doesn't matter now :devil)
So...I suggest we hurry up and put this one out there...at least by the end of March...give us time (real time) to drum up support for it...
Adlerangriff
The Battle of Britain
An Aces High Scenario....Coming to a Saturday in June near you!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
Bump
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Folks, the discussion for what the October, 2016 scenario should be is going on here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,379992.0/topicseen.html