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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JOACH1M on January 10, 2018, 06:13:16 PM
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Tournament mode for money system is now enabled. :banana:
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Cool, explain how this is going to work......
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Let us know how it works
Cheers
TC
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Interested to hear this as well. I'm just watching PUBG implode on itself as chinese hackers "farming" the game are destroying the user base. It seems any game where you can acquire $$$ attracts a nasty bunch of users.
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Interested to hear this as well. I'm just watching PUBG implode on itself as chinese hackers "farming" the game are destroying the user base. It seems any game where you can acquire $$$ attracts a nasty bunch of users.
Like everything else that ARMA spawns (that's any good anyway).
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from what i can see the match play arena has tournament listings and real $$$ to fund your tournament. :devil
So who is going to organise the first one? and shall we say $10 entry winner $100, 2nd $50, 3rd $20 (in a playoff with 4th) If we have any cash left over does HTC take a cut or can we set the winnings ourselves?
If we could get an end of month one going or Saturday fight nights that would be cool. The finale could be pay per view or a paid for stream on twitch! :old: Also what about betting on your favourites???
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nvm
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I am way to excited about this :x
DutchVII
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Where is BaldEagl? He is great at organizing tournaments!
and I don't mind win or lose, just like to see it be very competitive and become a successful addition to the game!
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This will end badly.
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Only HTC we be able to organize tournaments for money.
There will be some prize tournaments shortly, I.E. no entry fee but cash prizes to test the system before going live with having to pay fees on some tournaments to enter.
Also a few more pieces need to be completed such as filtering out states and countries that do not allow skill based gaming.
HiTech
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Also a few more pieces need to be completed such as filtering out states and countries that do not allow skill based gaming.
HiTech
Yeah this is a concern for me. My country has very strict rules about gambling. Am i still able to partake? Or am i excluded from partaking in the tournament even if do not accept money? I would understand this but still be sad about it.
DutchVII
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Yeah this is a concern for me. My country has very strict rules about gambling. Am i still able to partake? Or am i excluded from partaking in the tournament even if do not accept money? I would understand this but still be sad about it.
DutchVII
What they don’t know won’t hurt them.
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Couple things I noticed: the time of tournament doesn't give the time zone, (zulu?), disabled is spelled cisabled.
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What they don’t know won’t hurt them.
Ah the good ol anerican way
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Yeah this is a concern for me. My country has very strict rules about gambling. Am i still able to partake? Or am i excluded from partaking in the tournament even if do not accept money? I would understand this but still be sad about it.
DutchVII
There will be many different types of Tournaments.
One will be simply free with prizes supplied by HTC. These all will be able to partake in.
Also this is not directly gambling but comes under the header of skill based games. Do a search to see if you country or state allows it.
HiTech
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Ah the good ol anerican way
good ol bobby Boucher.
Water boyyyy
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just before this gets serious can we make sure all the air starts are 100% the same distance apart and the same altitude. I just took a trip down threads past and had a few giggles. :devil
Anyone with a ping over 200 unable to play! :bolt:
IP addresses logged so there are no instances of people playing on other peoples accounts!
Shouldnt need a book of rules or lawyers as the matchplay process is automated. Are collisions on? :headscratch:
Chat disabled on spawn in! Purse Fights left at the door!
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How is the playing arena determined to be fair and equal to all players. Wont some players start out behind the eight ball due to machine lag, network lag, internet lag? Who verifies that the code is not loaded ? I know a great deal of time and effort is spent by the gaming industry here in Jersey for the skill based games offered by the casinos. Is HTC willing to release their code for independent review? That's what the casinos have to do.
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How is the playing arena determined to be fair and equal to all players. Wont some players start out behind the eight ball due to machine lag, network lag, internet lag? Who verifies that the code is not loaded ? I know a great deal of time and effort is spent by the gaming industry here in Jersey for the skill based games offered by the casinos. Is HTC willing to release their code for independent review? That's what the casinos have to do.
For now my understanding of the matchplay arena is that the 2 players ready to fight get launched simultaneously by the server so there shouldn't be much of a time difference in spawning. If the distances and heights of airspawn are the same across matches there is no argument there either. Same plane will have to be enforced and that just leaves collisions. In KOTH I have them off so that a fight doesn't get ruined by one players lag over the others. At least the fight would have the chance to pan out and ultimately the better player (skillwise) would win.
As for HO's clearly anything goes after spawn in, as there is no need for a referee or host. Simply the server records who shot down who.
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This sounds like my kinda thing. :rock :rock
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For now my understanding of the matchplay arena is that the 2 players ready to fight get launched simultaneously by the server so there shouldn't be much of a time difference in spawning. If the distances and heights of airspawn are the same across matches there is no argument there either. Same plane will have to be enforced and that just leaves collisions. In KOTH I have them off so that a fight doesn't get ruined by one players lag over the others. At least the fight would have the chance to pan out and ultimately the better player (skillwise) would win.
As for HO's clearly anything goes after spawn in, as there is no need for a referee or host. Simply the server records who shot down who.
You still have internet lag, and different ISP's providing different priority to signal transmission, Stacking and error checks and re-transmission and again in Jersey Games of skill that involve money are regulated by the state gaming commission and code needs to be checked by an independent third party chosen by the state. Even if that's not an issue I don't see how you get the different ISP's that handle switching to provide the two players the exact same priority, it just can happen, not possible, that's just a fact of how computers work. Jan 7th showed everyone on the net how the internet could be brought to it's knees just by weather.
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You still have internet lag, and different ISP's providing different priority to signal transmission, Stacking and error checks and re-transmission and again in Jersey Games of skill that involve money are regulated by the state gaming commission and code needs to be checked by an independent third party chosen by the state. Even if that's not an issue I don't see how you get the different ISP's that handle switching to provide the two players the exact same priority, it just can happen, not possible, that's just a fact of how computers work. Jan 7th showed everyone on the net how the internet could be brought to it's knees just by weather.
New Jersey's regulation on skill based gaming is aimed towards online casinos that offer such skill based games such as poker and blackjack and do not cover or regulate online games such as Aces High or other skill based online games such as multiplayer first person shooters.
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As for HO's clearly anything goes after spawn in, as there is no need for a referee or host. Simply the server records who shot down who.
This turns me off if there won't be a guns cold until first merge / nose of at least one plane crossing the 3-9 line, ...... I don't have any desire to JOUST!
I definitely do not consider jousting / HO'ing on first pass "Skill Based Gaming"
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This turns me off if there won't be a guns cold until first merge / nose of at least one plane crossing the 3-9 line, ...... I don't have any desire to JOUST!
I definitely do not consider jousting / HO'ing on first pass "Skill Based Gaming"
I don’t lose most HO’s.
So I say bring it on lol
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I don’t lose most HO’s.
So I say bring it on lol
Yes I noticed that watermelon move this past weekend
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Yes I noticed that watermelon move this past weekend
Yeah, when I feel I’m being cornered I’ll pull the trigger at any chance I can. Sorry if you felt it was cheap. when I’m in competitions like ToC, I’m not afraid to do anything it takes to win.
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Same plane will have to be enforced
Why?
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Why?
When dealing with money payouts people will complain one aircraft had an advantage over theirs. Flying the same plane eliminates the factor of “mechanical advantage”.
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When dealing with money payouts people will complain one aircraft had an advantage over theirs. Flying the same plane eliminates the factor of “mechanical advantage”.
Couldn't there be an option to join one room with the same planes and another for different planes?
Or put them all in one room, but on an alternating time schedule.
Coogan
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Couldn't there be an option to join one room with the same planes and another for different planes?
Or put them all in one room, but on an alternating time schedule.
Coogan
Like HTC said the money matches will go through them. So however they work out a same plane issue is probably going to be similar to KOTH.
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When dealing with money payouts people will complain one aircraft had an advantage over theirs. Flying the same plane eliminates the factor of “mechanical advantage”.
How do you categorise the advantage more experienced players enjoy? "Computational advantage"?
Seems to be a lot of assumption that the intention is to tailor this towards rewarding those who already regularly take part in KotH / ToC. Why would HTC do that? The already observable evidence suggests otherwise.
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How do you categorise the advantage more experienced players enjoy? "Computational advantage"?
Seems to be a lot of assumption that the intention is to tailor this towards rewarding those who already regularly take part in KotH / ToC. Why would HTC do that? The already observable evidence suggests otherwise.
I don't see it or notice anything that would suggest that regarding the last part of your post....
I do agree with the last sentence of your post about the already observable evidence suggests otherwise.....
Their are plenty of players that know how to do 1 VS 1's quite well that never attend or have attended KOTH / KOTH TOC events....
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nvm
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How do you categorise the advantage more experienced players enjoy? "Computational advantage"?
Seems to be a lot of assumption that the intention is to tailor this towards rewarding those who already regularly take part in KotH / ToC. Why would HTC do that? The already observable evidence suggests otherwise.
what would you suggest shida, a golfing handicap? High ENY planes only for certain individuals? Random plane selector from a shortlist?
Also what TC said. There are plenty of regular KOTH players that do it for FUN and not what you are assuming that crowd of players play it for. If you turned out for one, you would know this (and enjoy the fights). :aok
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This turns me off if there won't be a guns cold until first merge / nose of at least one plane crossing the 3-9 line, ...... I don't have any desire to JOUST!
I definitely do not consider jousting / HO'ing on first pass "Skill Based Gaming"
If HTC could somehow code it so both planes have to fly through a box before guns or killshooter gets turned on/off then it's possible. I don't see how they can police it otherwise. If some gunslingers play who have good aim and go for the HO shot first merge, they may be able to knock out the odd "better stick". I guess it's the difference between lower league football teams hoofing the ball up the pitch and being physical, whereas the barcelona's of this world like to play the beautiful game.
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Call me what you will, but I believe that this isn't a good thing, as a principle and for this specific game. Cheating will be attempted, and possibly successful.
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New Jersey's regulation on skill based gaming is aimed towards online casinos that offer such skill based games such as poker and blackjack and do not cover or regulate online games such as Aces High or other skill based online games such as multiplayer first person shooters.
Fine no problems from the gaming commission, but how do you get all the different ISP's to provide the exact same level of priority to each player? You can't say that it will be a level playing field Computer lag, Network Lag, Internet Lag. Just can't be done.
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The finale could be pay per view or a paid for stream on twitch!
As if anybody would care on twitch :rofl
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granted, build it and they will come! :aok
but just look at that league of legends nerd game selling out football stadiums in asia.
The World champion FIFA guy picked up a cheque for $200,000 :x been playing the wrong game all these years for sure! :D
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Call me what you will, but I believe that this isn't a good thing, as a principle and for this specific game. Cheating will be attempted, and possibly successful.
matchplay is empty 99% of the time, do you not think that this is a little push to get some more guys in there either practising/fighting?
I agree there could potentially be more risk involved with players attempting to cheat however HTC systems have always been top notch at detecting that sort of thing and with the arena being separate from the MA I don't see how it could interfere with normal play.
Anything that gets players more interested in "How did he do that?" rather than "let me extend for 5 minutes and turn back in with friends" has to improve MA game play right? If A little money has to be the kickstarter then so be it but even free tournys will be cool!
I think this will be my last post on the subject (hey I got excited) don't want this to turn into a flamefest versus any particular players or groups in the hope it is successful in bringing new and old players back and playing. If HTC need any input on configuration or setups then by all means contact me directly.
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What can I say, Bruv,? I'm a cynic.
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what would you suggest shida, a golfing handicap?
The Elo rating system was already introduced shorty before this announcement. So yes.
I'd like to see mixed plane 1-on-1s but I imagine the competitions will be varied and designed to encourage new players to join (as well).
If you turned out for one, you would know this (and enjoy the fights). :aok
I might if I was able. However in my golden years of restricted AH time I really only want to fly my beloved Ki-84.
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Free entry. So I don’t see why people are getting so rattled
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Personally, I think HTC has wasted time and energy on this. Sure, it sounds fun, sounds interesting but how will it help the game? Unless the plan is to turn the game into an online prize game I just don't see it.
For the most part your going to have the same 10-12 players doing ALL the winning. We just had a guy bail on the second round of a KOTH match noting he will never be as good as these others. There will be cries of many ....... if "many" even become interested in it..... to bane or restrict those top 10-12 so other players have a chance. Add in the players who are going to go on and on about favoritism or cheatss it is going to be a job.
Then, how many players are even going to know about it? Promotion of something like this is going to have to be pretty intense to draw decent numbers and "promotion" doesn't seem to be a big thing around here.
Making the game better for 10-12 people isn't the way to spend time and energy.
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Joe,
Even I'm interested in this! Dueling not so much as it's got all the issues you have mentioned and then there's the ego thing!
But hey if you can make a couple of bucks and have fun I say why not?
E sports are becoming a big thing,like Bruv said a guy just walked away with 200K and I have heard of teams that make huge money and all expenses paid. Not that I envision that for Aces high but if it brings in more players and allows those who are hear to find some fun and excitement then again I say why not!
Will there be issues....sure But nothing that cant be dealt with and overcome.
I might even show up for a chance at some extra cash! :aok
:salute
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Perhaps limit the amount of prizes one person can win in a 12 month period in "Free to Enter" tournaments? So yes, maybe those top 10-12 people will win one, but you could then be disqualified from entering free to play tournaments for 3-6 months if you've collected prizes?
Still seems to be a bit weird. I'd personally like to see things more like air races than combat to try and keep things like HO's and questionable collisions etc. out of the argument.
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Give prizes for the worst pilot as well. If so, then I'm In!!
Coogan :joystick:
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Yes
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Or possibly push yourself to be better..... just a thought.
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Any match with fundage involved and there happens to be a disco, the house gets to keep it and buy more...
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Joe,
Even I'm interested in this! Dueling not so much as it's got all the issues you have mentioned and then there's the ego thing!
But hey if you can make a couple of bucks and have fun I say why not?
E sports are becoming a big thing,like Bruv said a guy just walked away with 200K and I have heard of teams that make huge money and all expenses paid. Not that I envision that for Aces high but if it brings in more players and allows those who are hear to find some fun and excitement then again I say why not!
Will there be issues....sure But nothing that cant be dealt with and overcome.
I might even show up for a chance at some extra cash! :aok
:salute
Thats the point tho, some of those games have thousands and thousands of followers. Thousands of players waiting on the edge of there seats for the next release, but here we aren't in that group. We're lucky if we can get more than 200 at one time on line. I just dont see this bringing ANYONE into the game.
Or possibly push yourself to be better..... just a thought.
At 60 years old with eye sight going away with my reflexes, working a full time job, a home with a wife I've had for 35 years (and would like to continue keeping :D ) I really doubt that I can push myself to be much better, but that isn't the point. The point is this isn't going to bring in more players with out a huge push in advertising and we all know how HTC feels about advertising. How many players are in KOTH these days? That is basically what we are talking about here, KOTH with prizes right? Even if there was some sort of "Air Racing" tourneys I just dont see people flocking in to join Aces High for them.
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If HTC suddenly has a streaming site up and televises the money matches live, more players may show up.
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It's an interesting way to try and bring in new players. I say we give it a chance.
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It's an interesting way to try and bring in new players. I say we give it a chance.
agreed 100%
Not only this but it promotes more in game time to sharpen skill.
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It's an interesting way to try and bring in new players. I say we give it a chance.
Agreed. Really, if the concept offends you, you don't have to enter the contest.
- oldman
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Call me what you will, but I believe that this isn't a good thing, as a principle and for this specific game.
Completely turns me off to game. People already take it far too seriously as it is.
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Agreed. Really, if the concept offends you, you don't have to enter the contest.
- oldman
It doesn't offend me, I just dont see how this is going to help the game.
I just hate to see HTC waste their time (granted it IS their time to waste) on something that isnt going to bring in the numbers we need for the game to become "healthy" again.
Id rather see them use their time to build a newbi arena with below average AI and audio "tool tips" to help newbis get a grip on how things work, get a few kills on the AI to build some confidence, see how the game works so that when they move over to the MA they are not crushed by everything and log off never to be seen again.
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How many players are in KOTH these days? That is basically what we are talking about here, KOTH with prizes right?
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This New Feature that HTC has added to Aces High has nothing to do with or compare with, what the KOTH events are about!
As far as how many people are participating in KOTH these days, the numbers fluctuate up and down, just like they always have, but that too has nothing to do with the new features that HTC has just added
Hope this helps
TC
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The match play arena would benefit from some AI as I am pretty sure that not that many people enter it when it is empty, thus engendering a catch 22 situation. If there was always at least 2 robots then people would enter and then other people would see someone in there and would enter as well. The robots could go to sleep when the humans arrive.
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I do find this whole thing amusing.
Folks crying about nobody to fight in the "Melee" arena, but HTC keeps creating other arenas to draw people away from the "Melee" arena. :headscratch: Whatever.
Coogan
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Just want to add:
I see this as a blood sport that will not end well.
Coogan
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Or possibly push yourself to be better..... just a thought.
I work in the real world I don’t use a cartoon game to push myself or get better :)
Its a laugh and when it stops being a laugh and a chore you leave and do something else :old:
Offering money or prizes is irrelevant to me, but if people want partake it’s their choice, cannot see any problems for the game if people want to.
As long as AH does not turn in to Warblunder and you have to do x y and z to fly a P51.
Do other games offer prizes for being alpha male
Is there a awesome prize if so when do I get the money :old:
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Negative
This New Feature that HTC has added to Aces High has nothing to do with or compare with, what the KOTH events are about!
As far as how many people are participating in KOTH these days, the numbers fluctuate up and down, just like they always have, but that too has nothing to do with the new features that HTC has just added
Hope this helps
TC
You dont think a KOTH type tourney will be one of the styles they use? You dont think they may add "prizes" to THE KOTH tourney we have now?
I also see a "ladder" type tourney as a possible format as well, but it doesn't matter which formats they use the point is, how will this bring more players into the game and help them stay and maintain a subscription?
Check out these Esport earnings top games (https://www.esportsearnings.com/games). These are the numbers of players who ENTER the tourneys. Most of them far out strip the total SUBSCRIPTIONS here let alone the number of players who will jump into these tourneys.
This game has a pretty big learning curve. That means that most of the "kids" who jump in looking to learn fast and start winning are NOT going to be hanging around. They will quickly move on to something they can master much quicker. Because "up,up, right,A,B,B,down,down,right,A" is never going to be a winning formula here.
Sure its a cool program, and sure its going to be fun, but for only a couple dozen players. I just dont see it helping the game over all.
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perhaps breaking the tourneys down by rank brackets would help, at least then you are playing with people within your skill set and for many it should push them to improve without being thrown to the wolves right off the bat. I also think they should not allow anyone who has not completed a tour of duty to participate. This will give the newer cats a little time to learn the basics and kind of get with the program.
The way this would work is the better the rank bracket, the bigger the payout. They could even offer perk points as prizes with the lower ranked tourneys, give them just enough of a taste to make them want more.
I don't know, just some ideas is all.
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Good golly how did I miss all of this excitement! :x
Looks like all my efforts will be going into getting a new stick now! :joystick:
This sounds like great fun!
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Competition and gaming for money has increased substantially in the last 10 years. It's not "old school" any more. People take games seriously. That's their choice. Who would have thought you could actually make a living winning video games live. Dota for F sakes? Aces High is way better. Core competiton is natural and should be encouraged.
Look at MMA, single sports, large sports, the "TOP 10" is actually made up of the same people most of the time. What would be the point even playing tennis professionally if you didnt believe you'd be in the top 10? Just a mind set. Some people play it for fun. Some with competition, and some even for money. I don't see why it should be shunned. We learn from these best players and strive to beat them one day. That's the spirit.
I hope a lot of different flying situations will happen.
I don't think this will take anything away from the MA. The MA is still within itself a good concept. Actually more people will play in the MA because these tournaments would draw players, and they would flock the MA for fun. Hell would even bring squads back I think.
Just a thought.
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Not digging the concept here. Hope it brings in some peeps for other more important areas of game.
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Some good points on all fronts. I'm not super familiar with this new arena concept, but I will say that there could be some enticing features/prizes that borrow from other games as well.
- What if there were a limited edition plane or skin that was offered in prizes? For example, in EVE Online, there are very exclusive ships that people can earn from top tourneys. Those can then be exchanged or traded for in-game currency or other prizes. Perhaps HTC could provide a specific plane from a famous unit (like a special P-51 from the Red Tails) that had some special attributes in the MA (e.g. they got damage modifier or better WEP power timing/cooler-running engine, along with a unique a/c skin)
- How bout an in-game market to swap for certain things, maybe some high-explosive rounds or something else that would be worth spending your perk points or match-win points on?
- Or keep it simple and provide a bunch of perk points for the winner?
I think that anything to keep HTC and Aces High alive and relevant is a good thing. When I check YouTube, I'd expect there to be a metric boatload of Aces High videos, but I only see a relatively small amount, with 1-4k views per most of them. Other games have literally MILLIONS of views. We need to do something to bring in some fresh blood, and I'm all about the competitive spirit. Let the best pilots win!!!
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Why was this post sticky'd then un-sticky'd? (grammar is not my first language.)
Coogan
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Imagine the vitriol that will inevitably ensue when large, yet fragile egos are bruised and there is money involved. :uhoh
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I'm sure the GV's will be left on the sidelines with this
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Imagine the vitriol that will inevitably ensue when large, yet fragile egos are bruised and there is money involved. :uhoh
From what I read no players are betting any money. That takes a lot of pain away from losing. Imagining a "bruised ego" scenario is a false misconception. If you can't handle yourself, don't sign up. Other sports, games, seem to find a way to have sportsmanship. Just look at Chess as an example. MMA if you really wanna talk about "bruise". Drone racing. Halo being in the Xgames.. Why is AH strictly different than those competitions when it comes to egos? I think other dimensions and gaming scenarios in AH are a good thing. In fact, the Special Events should very well advertised and one of their top bulletins. They are so great for the game and the community.
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It's an interesting way to try and bring in new players. I say we give it a chance.
ABSOLUTELY! I had a similar idea several months ago and asked a few players I respect about the feasibility of it! Like a way to handicap scores(like golf) to make every one who improves feel they have a chance to compete. I like this !
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Perhaps HTC could provide a specific plane from a famous unit (like a special P-51 from the Red Tails) that had some special attributes in the MA (e.g. they got damage modifier or better WEP power timing/cooler-running engine, along with a unique a/c skin)
Here we go if your do x y and z you get the next level up.... Warthunder kak!
The day this happens thats me gone :old:
Keep the Alpha Males in a separate arena so they can massage each others egos.
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If this comes to fruition, there should be a seperate forum section for the toxic posts that will come from upset players who lost $$$ because of x, x, and x.
The negativity that will come from this could pollute the forum even more.
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Agree, but there will always be that ego stroke element. It’s a game and some cats are hyper competitive. Meh, the best part about those players is shutting them down.
One day junior, one day haha
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have read all replies to this thread and have to highly agree there seems to be a dead spot I'm ma that requires many bodies for the fun of the game.
Small things could help really help new guys like an aiming dot (which I have heard of but not seen to this date), maybe a new guy indicator to let everyone know he is new. I have no issue with the tourney play but would like some interest in the MA to bring numbers in there
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From what I read no players are betting any money. That takes a lot of pain away from losing. Imagining a "bruised ego" scenario is a false misconception. If you can't handle yourself, don't sign up. Other sports, games, seem to find a way to have sportsmanship. Just look at Chess as an example. MMA if you really wanna talk about "bruise". Drone racing. Halo being in the Xgames.. Why is AH strictly different than those competitions when it comes to egos? I think other dimensions and gaming scenarios in AH are a good thing. In fact, the Special Events should very well advertised and one of their top bulletins. They are so great for the game and the community.
Not interested in signing up because I don't care to be the bestest cartoon pilot or even among the best. My statement was in reference to the toxic environment that playing for money will create. It doesn't matter if players don't lose their own money. Someone else winning money that "rightfully" shouldn't be theirs because xyz, is going to set the game on fire with more outrage, venom and c-word accusations than ever before.
If this comes to fruition, there should be a seperate forum section for the toxic posts that will come from upset players who lost $$$ because of x, x, and x.
The negativity that will come from this could pollute the forum even more.
Exactly.
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Not interested in signing up because I don't care to be the bestest cartoon pilot or even among the best. My statement was in reference to the toxic environment that playing for money will create. It doesn't matter if players don't lose their own money. Someone else winning money that "rightfully" shouldn't be theirs because xyz, is going to set the game on fire with more outrage, venom and c-word accusations than ever before.
Yep, I agree.
There has already been accusations of "team play" during KotH in the past already. Can you imagine the effects after money is placed on the event?
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There has already been accusations of "team play" during KotH in the past already. Can you imagine the effects after money is placed on the event?
Not in the last 10 years.
I can see little room for whining about why you lost a 1vs1,2vs2, 4vs4 etc straight up duel. You really think someone who enters a paid for tournament isn't adult enough to accept defeat if they lost? No-one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to enter any competition! If you guys are so against it then that is great but don't put it down before it has a chance to succeed, especially if you have no intention of trying it out!
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You really think someone who enters a paid for tournament isn't adult enough to accept defeat if they lost?
You cannot be that clueless to make that statement in this community.
It happened before Skyyr left, not 20 years ago.
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:confused: This is not a good sign!
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You really think someone who enters a paid for tournament isn't adult enough to accept defeat if they lost?
Heh. Make certain you have enough time to page through the BBS once this begins.
Wish: Hopefully, comments about the Fly For Money tournaments will be confined to a thread that we peasants can skip.
Despite the foregoing, I don't think it's wrong to try this. I sense that there is a group that will respond very favorably to the opportunity, and keeping old, or attracting new, players is a good thing for the game.
- oldman
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Heh. Make certain you have enough time to page through the BBS once this begins.
Wish: Hopefully, comments about the Fly For Money tournaments will be confined to a thread that we peasants can skip.
Despite the foregoing, I don't think it's wrong to try this. I sense that there is a group that will respond very favorably to the opportunity, and keeping old, or attracting new, players is a good thing for the game.
- oldman
I agree that the idea is cool, fun, interesting and a small group of players will relish the addition, but I just dont see this helping bring in new players to the MAs.
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Really Fugi?
Where, how would one practice for this event? The MA. Wouldn't that bring more folks in?
If there is a bracket system or something based on "points" and different levels, i could see this drawing more players.
I may not even participate, but if it brings in new players,,,,,right on!
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Really Fugi?
Where, how would one practice for this event? The MA. Wouldn't that bring more folks in?
If there is a bracket system or something based on "points" and different levels, i could see this drawing more players.
I may not even participate, but if it brings in new players,,,,,right on!
These kind of tournaments needs lots of advertising. I just dont see HTC putting out that kind of money on the off chance they will get a big return. Enticing the general player populations into these tournaments isn't going to to bring in new players, just give gifts to players who are already subscribed and more than likely have been here for quite some time.
Why did the "steam" setup bust? because it wasn't baby sat and the influx of players were not setup in a way to help them getting acclimated. The same will happen with this tourney idea. They will launch it and after the first couple of runs they will let it go on its own. No push to let people know its available, no body to watch over it, nobody to baby sit it and squash any issues that may come up immediately.
It just looks to me to be more time and effort wasted and not put to the areas that NEED that time and effort.
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I’m just trying to win some easy money. When’s the first signup?
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These kind of tournaments needs lots of advertising. I just dont see HTC putting out that kind of money on the off chance they will get a big return.
And you would be wrong.
HiTech
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And you would be wrong.
HiTech
Wrong about the advertising, or about you spending the money? :noid
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Wrong about the advertising, or about you spending the money? :noid
About us having any aversion to advertising.
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See Rule #4
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You really think someone who enters a paid for tournament isn't adult enough to accept defeat if they lost?
Is there any money in being adult about it? :old:
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Some who are relatively sure to win might sign up, and the rest will be completely clueless noobs from steam. This isn't going to get interesting in any way. Neither to take part in, nor to watch, nor to bet on such matches (most will bet correctly on most matches).
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Some who are relatively sure to win might sign up, and the rest will be completely clueless noobs from steam. This isn't going to get interesting in any way. Neither to take part in, nor to watch, nor to bet on such matches (most will bet correctly on most matches).
I bet your wrong :noid
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when money is on the line people will goto extreme levels to win it. Iracing is a prime example in my opinion you got people over there with $20,000 sim pits and telemetry programs reading every imput you make so you can go back and figure out what to fix for the next time. it wont be long before you got that stuff here doing the same thing. i may b 100% wrong but i doubt it
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when money is on the line people will goto extreme levels to win it. Iracing is a prime example in my opinion you got people over there with $20,000 sim pits and telemetry programs reading every imput you make so you can go back and figure out what to fix for the next time. it wont be long before you got that stuff here doing the same thing. i may b 100% wrong but i doubt it
Why is it anyone’s concern how much someone spends on their game equipment?
Another note. You all are shooting down an idea before it has ever started. In reality the community against is part of the issue. Sometimes change is good. Get over it. It’s a FREE buy in. NOTHING to lose.
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Why is it anyone’s concern how much someone spends on their game equipment?
Another note. You all are shooting down an idea before it has ever started. In reality the community against is part of the issue. Sometimes change is good. Get over it. It’s a FREE buy in. NOTHING to lose.
This right here all day long.
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Why is it anyone’s concern how much someone spends on their game equipment?
Another note. You all are shooting down an idea before it has ever started. In reality the community against is part of the issue. Sometimes change is good. Get over it. It’s a FREE buy in. NOTHING to lose.
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He has a point but then again he doesn’t :D
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Why is it anyone’s concern how much someone spends on their game equipment?
Another note. You all are shooting down an idea before it has ever started. In reality the community against is part of the issue. Sometimes change is good. Get over it. It’s a FREE buy in. NOTHING to lose.
I'm not shooting down the idea for what it is, I just don't see this helping build the subscription base and that what this game needs right now.
HTC has spent weeks working on this. I just think the time and money could be better spent. Players like you wont see a problem with this type of addition, but you guys are the upper 1 percent. For the rest of us I doubt most will even bother looking in to it never mind participate in it.
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I'm not shooting down the idea for what it is, I just don't see this helping build the subscription base and that what this game needs right now.
HTC has spent weeks working on this. I just think the time and money could be better spent. Players like you wont see a problem with this type of addition, but you guys are the upper 1 percent. For the rest of us I doubt most will even bother looking in to it never mind participate in it.
I would agree with you it would not generate new players and i also see this backfire as in poison and rage quits. But for us more competitive payers its a fun addition to the game. I do not consider myself to be in the top 1%, rather the top 25%.
But whats done is done.
The next feature i like to see is a better way to come into contact with new players. (this week i ran into two. One we absorbed in our squad and the other i spend 3 hours with in the training arena) (this also shows they still come in but they go largely unnoticed)
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I'm not shooting down the idea for what it is, I just don't see this helping build the subscription base and that what this game needs right now.
HTC has spent weeks working on this. I just think the time and money could be better spent. Players like you wont see a problem with this type of addition, but you guys are the upper 1 percent. For the rest of us I doubt most will even bother looking in to it never mind participate in it.
In all reality a lot of the top 1% rarely plays. I think I logged maybe 10 hours in the last 2 months? I also don’t play at all over summer months as I have other activities. I actually see it working out for the average player more times than not. Don’t knock it till ya try it.
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There could even be “Tiers” of tournaments ranking in how competitive each one was. IE: Call one expert, intermediate, and beginner. Put yourself where you see fit.
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There could even be “Tiers” of tournaments ranking in how competitive each one was. IE: Call one expert, intermediate, and beginner. Put yourself where you see fit.
:rofl Suddenly, everybody is a "beginner".
If some kind of ranking system were implemented, sandbagging (or what's the online game term, smurfing?) is just one of the things people would do.
For one thing, it's going to generate all kinds of drama. Just look at what happened with the SDL. There was no money at stake there. It's only going to be worse with this.
More importantly than the drama, this is only really a benefit to the top 1%ers. There are about a couple dozen people who would have a reasonable chance of taking a dueling tournament unless they happen to really play over their head on the day. It seems to me it's a bit more important at the moment to bring in new people than to encourage vets to play.
Now someone new might see "Cash Prize!" and join because of that, but if winning tournaments is the reason they're here, unless they're some kind of savant they're likely to just get crushed and quit. If that's the reason they're here, they're also not terribly likely to get involved with the community because the other people are potential opponents that could take the win away from them.
I'm just not seeing a lot of upside to it for anybody other than the top echelon people who've been here for a long time.
Wiley.
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You guys remember the handles NewU12345 :D
How are we talking about a 1% in a video game? Jesum crow.
Why are people so determined to believe they will never get better or have a chance at winning?
The more good people there are, the harder it is for only 1 or 2 persons to win.
Game modes should be promoted.
Special events should be promoted.
And I think one thing that will really bring "new players" to try the game, is a super bad arse, high intensity, high action, screaming opening video on the website and steam site. Wish I new how but I don't.
Stop talking about a 1%. It's a fallacy in a Video game. Who is holding you back from getting better?
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I wouldn't consider myself top echelon pilot. I also wouldn't consider myself a doe eyed noob. I've participated in KOTH and while never gaining Wabbit status, or winning an event, I have been able to win individual rounds against some of the "top sticks".
When I die, it's usually because I made a mistake. When I get a kill, it's normally because the other guy made a mistake. Being that we're all human, the winner will be decided by who makes the least mistakes.
If you only ever play against people as good or worse than you, you'll never get any better because you have nothing pushing you. Perhaps rather than lamenting the fact someone out flew you, try and learn what you did wrong that allowed them to beat you. I honestly find it hilarious the main argument against this is "Someone is better than me, so I won't play!" C'mon guys, really? :headscratch:
I'll have no problem joining up a F2P tourney regardless of who's in the fight. :banana:
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I wouldn't consider myself top echelon pilot. I also wouldn't consider myself a doe eyed noob. I've participated in KOTH and while never gaining Wabbit status, or winning an event, I have been able to win individual rounds against some of the "top sticks".
Yup. So have I. Now go play those same guys with $1000 on the table, and see how their game changes.
Wiley.
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Yup. So have I. Now go play those same guys with $1000 on the table, and see how their game changes.
Wiley.
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I’m honestly disgusted.
Hopefully Hitech gives it a fair chance to see how it plays out.
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:noid :noid :noid
I’m honestly disgusted.
Hopefully Hitech gives it a fair chance to see how it plays out.
I'm honestly in awe of how completely naive some of you guys seem to be on this.
The good news for you, Jo, is HT will do what he's going to do regardless of what people say on here. This is all just noise.
Wiley.
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It’ll turn in to another niche game type just like FSO KOTH and others. It’ll be fine.
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Perhaps HiTech can hand out participation trophies so those who don't have the skill to win won't feel bad for not having the same skill as someone else. :old:
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Perhaps HiTech can hand out participation trophies so those who don't have the skill to win won't feel bad for not having the same skill as someone else. :old:
What makes you think this has anything to do with why it's a bad idea?
It’ll turn in to another niche game type just like FSO KOTH and others. It’ll be fine.
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This game is at its best when there are many, many people involved. More niches works against that.
Wiley.
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I get that Wiley, all I’m saying is different strokes for different folks is all.
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I get that Wiley, all I’m saying is different strokes for different folks is all.
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Sure. It's just the gameplay appeal of this reaches to roughly the same audience as KOTH. The number of unique people that have entered a KOTH in the last year is what, 50? Maybe 100? Is stroking that many people really worth it?
Now of course, the easy money aspect will bring more people sniffing around but outside of the money tournaments what does that gain the game? Like Jo said, a lot of the top shelf guys barely play.
Wiley.
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All we can do is speculate on the outcome of this.
For a few it won’t be worth it and to a few it will be worth it.
We all have the option to participate or to just leave it alone.
It will be what we, as a community, make it. So there’s that... .
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I personally cannot suggest any changes until I see what the format actually is... but what if they took a queue from games like WoW with raid rewards? Not everyone gets the reward, but there is a random chance of a drop of specialty items with even more random drops of super-rare items. People literally grind for months trying to get these items, making groups semi-easy to come across even for the lone players.
So what if, in addition to the winning prize, they handed out random prizes such as a Month Subscription that's drawn randomly from participants in the tourneys. This way there can be incentive (aside from the free entry to win money) for those who may not think they're good enough to actually win. It could drive up participation in the events, and might even show some people that they might be better than they think?
Just a thought on how to actually make it more appealing and help with the game, as opposed to just going full chicken little before anything's even been released... :bolt:
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So what if, in addition to the winning prize, they handed out random prizes such as a Month Subscription that's drawn randomly from participants in the tourneys. This way there can be incentive (aside from the free entry to win money) for those who may not think they're good enough to actually win. It could drive up participation in the events, and might even show some people that they might be better than they think?
Just a thought on how to actually make it more appealing and help with the game, as opposed to just going full chicken little before anything's even been released... :bolt:
You're still stuck on the whole "people not thinking they're good enough" thing. Dueling is a small niche of the game. Not because people don't think they're good enough/have egos/whatever other reason, but simply because it doesn't appeal to them.
Adding a reward to something people don't find fun or interesting does not suddenly make that activity fun or interesting for them. They're there for the reward and interest generated in that way that generally doesn't last long.
Wiley.
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I did mention this quietly once already but everyone seemed to miss it: there is now an Elo rating system in the relevant arena.
Why is it anyone’s concern how much someone spends on their game equipment?
Can I quote you on that at some point in the future? :rofl
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I did mention this quietly once already but everyone seemed to miss it: there is now an Elo rating system in the relevant arena.
Can I quote you on that at some point in the future? :rofl
ELO rocks :rock
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I did mention this quietly once already but everyone seemed to miss it: there is now an Elo rating system in the relevant arena.
Can I quote you on that at some point in the future? :rofl
Yes you can lol. But it may not be used against men :old:
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I suck in a fighter but I would get whopped by an Uber fighter jock for a chance to win a free months sub. Who knows might get lucky and actually win a fight or 2.
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The issue is more likely to be around the fact that for some time now the duelling arena has typically been used by combatants trying to settle MA 'you picktard' type issues. There is little friendship in that and no respect transfers between the players.
Natural then that people would assume a duelling arena with money at stake would bring out more of the negative.
I would love to do more duelling, especially against better pilots .
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For the ones who think this setup could bring about issues, I agree, after all, look at all the drama there was the last time the "ladder" competition ran. I dont see much good coming from it either. :(
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The issue is more likely to be around the fact that for some time now the duelling arena has typically been used by combatants trying to settle MA 'you picktard' type issues. There is little friendship in that and no respect transfers between the players.
Not really, I'm thinking more in terms of what happened to the SDL.
Wiley.
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I’m honestly disgusted.
I am as well. While the future may prove me incorrect, I will not play a game where actual money trades hands beyond a subscription.
edit: (I should explain my reasoning)
Money has a strange effect on people and very rarely is it positive. I do not want to immerse myself into a game where people take it too seriously. Frankly, we have individuals that do that already and money isn't involved (just ego bruising at this time).
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Four quatloos that the newcomers will be untrainable and have to be destroyed.
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I do not want to immerse myself into a game where people take it too seriously. Frankly, we have individuals that do that already and money isn't involved (just ego bruising at this time).
Dude. Over the years there have been dozens...hundreds...who have not required the lure of loot to take this game too seriously.
The nice thing is that the rest of us will not be sympathetic listeners to the whines of the put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is subset!
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In all reality a lot of the top 1% rarely plays. I think I logged maybe 10 hours in the last 2 months? I also don’t play at all over summer months as I have other activities. I actually see it working out for the average player more times than not. Don’t knock it till ya try it.
Top 1% :rofl
Based on the figures?
Its all relative, if you want to die of boredom doing the usual at the beginning of the month for 4 days taking 9 bases , landing 56 kills in one plane, spawn camping good for you.
I could do this this and be one of the 1% but I would rather eat American mustard of a wet sock.
Top 1% :rofl
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Four quatloos that the newcomers will be untrainable and have to be destroyed.
I see what you did there!
I suck in a fighter but I would get whopped by an Uber fighter jock for a chance to win a free months sub. Who knows might get lucky and actually win a fight or 2.
In the relevant arena there's an EL... bah nevermind.
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I am as well. While the future may prove me incorrect, I will not play a game where actual money trades hands beyond a subscription.
edit: (I should explain my reasoning)
Money has a strange effect on people and very rarely is it positive. I do not want to immerse myself into a game where people take it too seriously. Frankly, we have individuals that do that already and money isn't involved (just ego bruising at this time).
Free subs would be what I thought was going to be the prizes TBH.
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I have never been interested in dueling for the sake of dueling. Never got the point. The best fights were never planned. They just happened and both participants happened to be in the right place, the right planes, at the right time, with the same I am not gonna give in attitude and it was a great fight win or lose. It was not a case of "and in this corner we have so and so weighing in at blah blah blah and in this corner we have so and so..." Seems a bit contrived. This is not a slam, heck a lot of my buddies are duel devotees Joach, Squat, Junky, and several others. My flying focus has always been focused towards training up skills used in Scenarios and FSO. Stopping and dueling usually will get you killed in those arenas. For me that's where it's at. I can't see adding money to this really getting me interested in the dueling end of the game any more than I am now. I hope it does bring in some folks, but would really love to see them come in for the love of the genre and history.
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Very strange how most seem to think this aimed at existing customers.
HiTech
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Two different schools of thought is all.
In one hand you have the crew that is asking “what is this adding our subtracting from my game experience?”
In the other hand some are asking “How is this going to draw flesh blood into the game and how is this going to bolster numbers in the constantly running MA?”.
Both are valid questions and kind of run together but I feel from what I have read is there seems to be a Doomsday mindset. Basically making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Very strange how most seem to think this aimed at existing customers.
HiTech
I can't see how this is going to bring players in. Existing players are going to eat new players alive far longer than it will take new players up to speed enough to compete.
Even average players will eat the new guys alive. Where is this player base that ypu can pull new players in from? Certainly not war thunder. The others have there own hard core players, more interested in engine cooling and start up procedures than fighting.
Even if you should bring in a ton of new players for the tournament's, will they both moving over to the Melee arena where the game needs the most help?
I hope your right and it all works out, I just don't see it.
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I can't see how this is going to bring players in. Existing players are going to eat new players alive far longer than it will take new players up to speed enough to compete.
Even average players will eat the new guys alive. Where is this player base that ypu can pull new players in from? Certainly not war thunder. The others have there own hard core players, more interested in engine cooling and start up procedures than fighting.
Even if you should bring in a ton of new players for the tournament's, will they both moving over to the Melee arena where the game needs the most help?
I hope your right and it all works out, I just don't see it.
Maybe existing players won’t be allowe to participate.
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If the money prize tournament brings in new players and the competition is fair and well managed. They will talk about it with other gamers which will have the usual outcome of people wanting to take a look at it. During all of that take a looking and new people taking part, the MA and free content is right there for them to keep taking a look.
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Maybe existing players won’t be allowe to participate.
that would just set up another rift.
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With money at stake, I would be much more worried about how to create an environment as close to everyone being in the same room and on the same network with the same PC's. Personally I wouldn't bet a dime on this unless it was hosted in a room where all of the participants had to show up at that location to play on hardware and a network supplied by HTC. Since the film viewer pulls a lot more info than we can look at but, Skuzzy and Hitech can, I hope contestants are required to submit and AHF film of every match before any prizes are handed out. An AVI conversion hides a lot of things.
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Maybe existing players won’t be allowe to participate.
You cant participate :rofl
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Very strange how most seem to think this aimed at existing customers.
HiTech
I agree with Fugitive. This has the potential to be a great idea, and it might provide and element of the game that seems "new and hip" to the current demographic of gamers. Especially considering how ESport type games have blown up in size considerably. But.... you had mentioned how it is tough to "set the hook" on new players. They are still going to come into a game that has a pretty steep learning curve (which i think is the best part, but i digress), and then they see they need to pay a 15 dollar subscription before they have really even learned what to do. Is this new tournament aspect going to be that hook?
Hey im all for anything that is going to bring in new players. So I really hope this works. I believe the idea is there. I just dont understand yet how this will keep new players in the game. Maybe I don't see the big picture though.
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As far as the new cats and the seal clubbing that will most likely happen. It would be nice to have an indicator (visual) that shows who is playing in the trial period and who is not in the trial period but has less than two months of experience.
I also look at it from a gladiatorial perspective. Squads should get their pilots up in the air and train for tourneys and the squad leader guys send their best couple of sticks to compete.
This could bring new people to squad play and help them become more competitive not only for tourneys but in every other area of the game.
There are so many ways to make this extremely positive that it kind of shuts out the negative opinions that are expressed in this thread.
Sure there will be growing pains, there always are but it is what it is.
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I would love to see a 2x a year or so scenario with prizes for x y and z.
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What happened to this topic/concept, did it die?
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Don't you know the rules of Dogfight Club....
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What happened to this topic/concept, did it die?
It was in the top 10 of the most stupid ideas ever thought up in game :old:
Bitcoin clowns would probly think it was a fantastic idea
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It was in the top 10 of the most stupid ideas ever thought up in game :old:
Bitcoin clowns would probly think it was a fantastic idea
Why is that? I personally love the idea. As long we can all behave and not be to salty about our losses. It also gives me a change to fight the illusive joachim and friends which will make me a better pilot in return even when i do not win.
DutchVII
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Why is that? As long we can all behave and not be to salty about our losses.
You answered your own question. That's probably not the reason HTC hasn't moved on it, but it's a good reason.
Wiley.
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The amount of grief if people lost real money, people losing a base is drama enough.
Playing for money, get a job
JockyM is never online so why bring it up?
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The amount of grief if people lost real money, people losing a base is drama enough.
Playing for money, get a job
JockyM is never online so why bring it up?
I play tournaments in starcraft 2 sometimes I win but mostly loose. for me the level of competition is the only reason why I play that game. It gets me exited an motivated me to get better. For me that is fun in gaming.
If it where implemented in would enjoy it.
Edit: because it's his treat
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The amount of grief if people lost real money, people losing a base is drama enough.
Playing for money, get a job
JockyM is never online so why bring it up?
I just haven’t had the itch in a while to play honestly. Been very busy with college stuff. That plays the biggest factor in it.
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I will give you $20 for your joystick and peddles :old:
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this hasn't even started yet and most here are already trying say how it will work and what will be done and they haven't a clue, its so funny.
sit back and wait, until the rules are posted. maybe the current customers won't be allowed to compete, would that be so bad?
if the tournament is only to attract new players would that be so bad. but in MA clipboard has something about follow, so only HTC knows,
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See Rule #7
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I will give you $20 for your joystick and peddles :old:
i want your toupé
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Gay dog Ben has it :old:
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Gay dog Ben has it :old:
We must find it and relieve him from his toupe duties
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Should this come to fruition, please provide some advance notification so I can fully upgrade my FUSS-O-METER :old:
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The negativity is sad. Fun can be what you make of it and every aspect and facet of this game, fun can be found. It really is a state of mind.
The potential of this tourney could be a lot of fun for those who would want to participate, after all, you have a choice to participate or not, right?
I was just curious as to the status but it seams like there is an agenda here.
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last time I popped into matchplay the arena message was asking players to create tournaments and test etc, only ever has 0 -1 players online when I go in there.
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Finally a legitimate reason to hack a game.
There is never a legitimate reason to do what you posted!