General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CptTrips on December 24, 2020, 01:56:02 PM
Title: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 24, 2020, 01:56:02 PM
Well, who knows what will happen?
Here is my guess. It’s a given there are some hayseed House Republicans that will try and challenge the Electoral Vote. Probably some inbred like Mo Brooks.
The question is will they find a Senate Stooge to play along.
I wouldn’t be surprised. But there are a couple of reasons why they might not.
First, all that will do is harm many Republican Senators who have difficult races in 2022. They either join a suicide pact with a failing, increasing unpopular failed President, or risk publicly voting against him and getting primaried by a radicalized base. It’s a no-win situation.
And it won’t help anything. There are already enough Republican Senators who have signaled they will shoot down a vote to discard the Electors. And regardless, there is no possible chance in any Trumpian fever dream that the House would vote that way. It’s a dead end that will only cost the Republicans a few more Senators in 2022.
Also, it does nothing but put Pence in a no-win situation. He might have a chance in 2024, but this election showed Republicans need to still appeal to the moderate independents to pull enough votes to win. Get pulled into to some doomed to fail nutty conspiracy to overthrow the election will only burn his bridges with any independents.
Of course that’s all fine with Donny. He plans to have his own Trump party by 2024 so getting sitting Republican Senators and a potential rival Mike Pence to voluntarily cut their own political throats is just fine with him.
The only smart move here for Republicans is for Senators to ignore the play. I’m sure McConnell is make the rounds letting every Senator know that any one who puts the party in that position will be dead meat. We’ll see if he can hold the line.
When inbred Mo raises the motion, McConnell will be eye-balling his flock with a look that says, “Sit on your fricken hands and keep you pie-holes shut!”
With no Senator jumping in to second, the motion fizzles and no one is forced into no-win situations.
Or they may be crazier than I thought and they all go full Leroy Jenkins!
Regardless, the House will defeat the measure if it comes to a vote. Dead end.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 25, 2020, 07:56:51 AM
Don't lose any sleep over it
I am not - life will go on regardless...unless covid says no :rolleyes:
Merry Christmas!
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Meatwad on December 25, 2020, 08:22:51 AM
Jan 6th I will go to work, work all day, then come back home.
Repeat for Jan 7th, 8th, etc
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: MiloMorai on December 25, 2020, 11:09:45 AM
Pence will be the Prez by Jan 6 because of the 25th.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 25, 2020, 12:54:04 PM
The American electorate vote for who Don Lemon says is a not a nasty man
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 25, 2020, 05:55:11 PM
Just out of interest, were you upset with China before Trump made them a big deal? And I don't mean the virus. The US's largest imports from China are electronics and textiles. Maybe look carefully at the label the next time you buy a video card, a cell phone or a t-shirt.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Chris79 on December 26, 2020, 07:14:18 PM
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Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 26, 2020, 08:18:45 PM
Just out of interest, were you upset with China before Trump made them a big deal? And I don't mean the virus. The US's largest imports from China are electronics and textiles. Maybe look carefully at the label the next time you buy a video card, a cell phone or a t-shirt.
Absolutely!
Since I learned about Mao, when I heard Korean War veterans warn us about the Chinese, but more so when I’ve continued to learn about what the CCP does to their own people.
I definitely don’t find dog to be on the menu (I know that’s not just China).
When I see “made in China” I know most of the time the product was made by practical slave labor and that in most cases the product will be lucky to last a year, and many products less than that - some much less or may even come broken or flawed to begin with.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 27, 2020, 02:30:46 AM
Trip has hacked my personal photos :old:
He is a cad!
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 27, 2020, 11:19:43 AM
Fact check of what trump tears should look like. (https://www.brandwatch.com/wp-content/themes/brandwatch/src/core/endpoints/resize.php?image=uploads/2017/03/nooooo.gif&width=320) Just not seeing it. Just like not seeing half the country care about election accuracy.
:salute
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 27, 2020, 11:24:07 AM
Just like not seeing half the country care about election accuracy.
Strawman. Everyone cares about election accuracy. Just not internet urban legends.
Prove wide spread voter fraud large enough to have had a material effect on the election outcome, and do it in a federal court of law under the rigorous rules of evidence thereof.
Win that case and you will have my support. Throw around nutter links from the GatewayPundit and I'll just laugh at you.
Prove it in court, or go pound sand.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 27, 2020, 11:47:47 AM
Strawman. Everyone cares about election accuracy. Just not internet urban legends.
Prove wide spread voter fraud large enough to have had a material effect on the election outcome, and do it in a federal court of law under the rigorous rules of evidence thereof.
Win that case and you will have my support. Throw around nutter links from the GatewayPundit and I'll just laugh at you.
Prove it in court, or go pound sand.
What if the court wont let you check accuracy?
How Missy said it. "Like, um, duh."
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 27, 2020, 11:51:28 AM
Since I learned about Mao, when I heard Korean War veterans warn us about the Chinese, but more so when I’ve continued to learn about what the CCP does to their own people.
I definitely don’t find dog to be on the menu (I know that’s not just China).
When I see “made in China” I know most of the time the product was made by practical slave labor and that in most cases the product will be lucky to last a year, and many products less than that - some much less or may even come broken or flawed to begin with.
Just an observation, I have seen much of China.. have you? Your "definite" statements about how China treats it's people lose luster in the face of American ideals like "the tuskegee study" and the "tulsa race massacre". China is an mixed agrarian to technological society not unlike all large countries. And the owner of low tech unreliable products.... I think not... shall I start with the Ford Pinto?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2020, 12:00:30 PM
Courts won't allow it without reasonable, realistic, and justifiable cause. Many of these are (R) judges that, for some odd reason, respect the legal process. It's kinda like a quack prosecutor attempting to introduce a gun or knife as evidence in a jay-walking case.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 27, 2020, 12:03:03 PM
If you had any believable evidence, you would have gotten traction. Those weren't ANTIFA judges. Many were Republican including several Trump appointed judges.
You don't have to agree, or like it. But the courts have spoken. That's how things work in this country.
Maybe you'll win this last SC attempt. I doubt it. My guess is they won't even address it. They could just let it sit there and ignore it until the clock runs out and the declare it no longer matters and the situation is over. Can't remember the Latin term for that.
I guess it sucks to be you. ;)
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 27, 2020, 12:09:40 PM
If you had any believable evidence, you would have gotten traction. Those weren't ANTIFA judges. Many were Republican including several Trump appointed judges.
You don't have to agree, or like it. But the courts have spoken. That's how things work in this country.
Maybe you'll win this last SC attempt. I doubt it. My guess is they won't even address it. They could just let it sit there and ignore it until the clock runs out and the declare it no longer matters and the situation is over. Can't remember the Latin term for that.
I guess it sucks to be you. ;)
Not really. Life is good.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 27, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
Courts won't allow it without reasonable, realistic, and justifiable cause. Many of these are (R) judges that, for some odd reason, respect the legal process. It's kinda like a quack prosecutor attempting to introduce a gun or knife as evidence in a jay-walking case.
Interesting.
So you think every thing is cool?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2020, 12:15:47 PM
I definitely don’t find dog to be on the menu (I know that’s not just China).
Tried dog have you? What is it about eating dog that you find wrong? Bet you enjoy a nice fat steak though. Of course there are those in the world who do not eat beef, others don't eat pork, there are those that don't eat any meat at all. Of course these people are wrong in your mind because it is closed.
When I see “made in China” I know most of the time the product was made by practical slave labor and that in most cases the product will be lucky to last a year, and many products less than that - some much less or may even come broken or flawed to begin with.
Your assessment of "made in China" products is seriously out of date. The Chinese are fast becoming world leaders in many areas particularly tech fields such as computing, mobile phones and solar energy. They are quality products and will not fall apart or be flawed or broken to begin with. Do some research, have a look at where your phone, TV, computer, washer, drier, microwave....... may be made.
Of course there are cheap and nasty products as well, but they are cheap and nasty and the expectation of their quality and lifespan should match the price you pay. $300 for a pair of Italian shoes I expect quality and good use out of them. $30 for an everyday shoe - I know I will be buying a new pair every year but that is exactly what to expect.
The China argument with respect to the price and quality of goods is exactly what the US car industry went through in the 70's and 80's with the likes of Toyota. Toyota took some time to perfect its products and manufacturing process then beat Ford and GM at their own game. We are seeing this with China and it is a normal pattern of business. We live in a global economy where the worst thing the USA can do is look inward and demand that American manufacturing be saved. You have to convince 360 million people to do that and the truth is many of them cannot afford to buy American made so they go for cheapest first. It is not China's fault, it is a fact of business life.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 27, 2020, 03:28:11 PM
Just an observation, I have seen much of China.. have you? Your "definite" statements about how China treats it's people lose luster in the face of American ideals like "the tuskegee study" and the "tulsa race massacre". China is an mixed agrarian to technological society not unlike all large countries. And the owner of low tech unreliable products.... I think not... shall I start with the Ford Pinto?
I lived in Hong Kong for most of 1996, traveled through a fair bit of the mainland then, and have posted about that experience over the years here. You're comparing America's PAST with China's present, and future. Not unlike all large countries..exceptions given for the concentration camps, imprisonment for political disagreement/speech, organ harvesting from said prisoners (without anesthetic in many cases), and thousands of other abuses that NO other large countries would tolerate, certainly not the USA.
I have friends in HK that have had family on the mainland wrongfully imprisoned and tortured for things that aren't even crimes in the USA - if these things WERE currently crimes in the USA, all of CNN, MSNB, etc, would currently either have been imprisoned, tortured, and/or executed during the last 4 years for crimes against the state. That or have had their organs harvested while they were awake.
Millions in concentration camps...today. Millions of babies killed just at the point of birth with a needle through the skull (ok, so that one is from the late 90s and early 2000s, but they still used to do it, in the current generation's living memory, not our great grandfather's). CCP is still engaging in mass forced sterilization at the very least.
Yes, China is closing the gap regarding tech, just study their naval construction of the last 15 years, not just the numbers, but the tech, as well as the adoption of US/etc methods and tactics (Search some of Mace2004's posts on China). China has used tech sold to them by Google and the other champions of human rights, to help identify and imprison hundreds of thousands of Chinese people who disagree with the CCP. Does hypocrisy start with an "h"?
The CCP are behaving as badly as the Mongols ever did, the difference being they are doing so inside their own borders, and not the rest of the known world.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: FESS67 on December 27, 2020, 05:23:05 PM
I lived in Hong Kong for most of 1996, traveled through a fair bit of the mainland then, and have posted about that experience over the years here. You're comparing America's PAST with China's present, and future. Not unlike all large countries..exceptions given for the concentration camps, imprisonment for political disagreement/speech, organ harvesting from said prisoners (without anesthetic in many cases), and thousands of other abuses that NO other large countries would tolerate, certainly not the USA.
................ Does hypocrisy start with an "h"?
Interesting that you brought up human rights abuses. I don't think anyone disputes them however there are similarities with China and the USA in this respect.
hypocrisy
noun the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
USA - "War on Terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Guantanamo - Allegations of torture and arguments that it violates the 5th and 14th amendments. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
China - "People's war on terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Various camps. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
What makes the American version acceptable? Is it a matter of scale? It is not OK for either entity to do it. We have a similar situation in Australia where some people (refugees) have been locked up for 8 years +. It is not OK. Send them back or let them in but don't imprison indefinitely without trial.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 27, 2020, 06:28:28 PM
Interesting that you brought up human rights abuses. I don't think anyone disputes them however there are similarities with China and the USA in this respect.
hypocrisy
noun the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
USA - "War on Terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Guantanamo - Allegations of torture and arguments that it violates the 5th and 14th amendments. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
China - "People's war on terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Various camps. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
What makes the American version acceptable? Is it a matter of scale? It is not OK for either entity to do it. We have a similar situation in Australia where some people (refugees) have been locked up for 8 years +. It is not OK. Send them back or let them in but don't imprison indefinitely without trial.
I am afraid I have to agree with Fess. The United States has amazing documents including the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But sadly to preach about the atrocities committed by other nations when for example, children are ripped from their parents and put in cages, is intellectually corrupt.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2020, 06:33:10 PM
I am afraid I have to agree with Fess. The United States has amazing documents including the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But sadly to preach about the atrocities committed by other nations when for example, children are ripped from their parents and put in cages, is intellectually corrupt.
There seems to be a dramatic disassociation between ideals and examples that I feel requires addressing.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: RotBaron on December 27, 2020, 06:40:35 PM
Do you guys here talking about ripping children from parents and put in “cages” know that practice is an Obama policy?
If you tried to enter other countries illegally would the potential consequences cross your mind?
Interesting that you brought up human rights abuses. I don't think anyone disputes them however there are similarities with China and the USA in this respect.
hypocrisy
noun the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
USA - "War on Terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Guantanamo - Allegations of torture and arguments that it violates the 5th and 14th amendments. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
China - "People's war on terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Various camps. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
What makes the American version acceptable? Is it a matter of scale? It is not OK for either entity to do it. We have a similar situation in Australia where some people (refugees) have been locked up for 8 years +. It is not OK. Send them back or let them in but don't imprison indefinitely without trial.
Not just scale, but degree. I disagree with the Guantanamo imprisonments and mistreatment, but to compare it to what China does is more than a stretch. Stress positions and water boarding versus mutilation, forced organ donation while conscious, mass executions, forced steriliztion, starvation, and piles of other actual medieval like tortures...a bit of a difference from what the USA currently does and has done to Gitmo prisoners.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 27, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
I am afraid I have to agree with Fess. The United States has amazing documents including the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But sadly to preach about the atrocities committed by other nations when for example, children are ripped from their parents and put in cages, is intellectually corrupt.
The "children ripped from parents". Whose fault is that, the people who ILLEGALY enter the USA, or the US government? If I commit a felony in the USA, my children will be ripped from me as well (if I had any), and be placed in protective custody/child services while I go to prison. Where is the "but the children" cries for the local criminals? What is the US supposed to do, build special prisons for those that illegally enter the country, which can house both children and adults together?
Both the children and their parents/criminals who illegally enter the USA are NOT TORUTURED. They aren't having their guts ripped apart while awake to fund an organ harvesting operation. They aren't imprisoned for speaking their minds politically. They aren't tortured and imprisoned for their religious beliefs. They aren't forcibly sterilized. See the difference?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 27, 2020, 06:47:58 PM
Interesting that you brought up human rights abuses. I don't think anyone disputes them however there are similarities with China and the USA in this respect.
hypocrisy
noun the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
USA - "War on Terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Guantanamo - Allegations of torture and arguments that it violates the 5th and 14th amendments. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
China - "People's war on terror" - Indefinite detention without trial - Various camps. Amnesty International states it is against human rights.
What makes the American version acceptable? Is it a matter of scale? It is not OK for either entity to do it. We have a similar situation in Australia where some people (refugees) have been locked up for 8 years +. It is not OK. Send them back or let them in but don't imprison indefinitely without trial.
And yet, you and the others who are severely mislead attack Trump, a 4 year president and only time serving in government making military decisions. Who didn't go to war in the middle east enter a new nation for war, and has helped create peace deals in those countries. While you sit here and protect and defend the very people who were in those positions in government making those decisions, who are in still in government today trying to take down Trump for exposing them.
Hylocrisy is a crazy thing.
China only got big because of America. We gave them a lot and helped them grow tremendously. All you people do is attack America while you let what Gman told you go by the way side, you don't even understand how good you have it.
You say "America is soo expensive". Well you know what, that's what happens when a country is forced into strong regulations and working practices, while other countries can manipulate their currency, enslave their population and use cheap resources to create cheaper products. We've put all of these high costs on to American business while letting the world undercut us, then our politicians sold us out with trade deals so business can simply leave and go sell their products in places where they don't have to deal with American standards and regulations. Its totally Bullcrap, and it's why Trump is right to get our manufacturing back.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: RotBaron on December 27, 2020, 06:48:49 PM
^ just in case you go there, I had a long time gf born in Thailand when her parents fled Pol Pot and eventually made there way here (legally.)
We have friends now for several years who came here as refugees from Sudan.
I know their life stories well, yes it’s a small sample...I also have 3 close friends in Homeland Security and they have differing views - which gives me many viewpoints to think from...
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 27, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
Meh. We have a lot of work to do to live up to our high ideals. But I don't have to think too hard to decide I'd rather be here than a citizen of China. No brainer.
Even during Trump's administration. :D
(Which thankfully will be a single term. Though it just seemed longer. :rofl)
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 27, 2020, 06:53:18 PM
OK, you decide to vacation in Italy (post pandemic of course) but when you meet Customs and Immigration, they decide you don't look savory so they take your children and boot you out on the next flight. I don't care if you try to enter legally or illegally, this act is barbarous. You're not going to gain any points trying to convince me that the USA is some shining star of civil rights (at least beyond the usual platitudes).
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Chris79 on December 27, 2020, 07:06:58 PM
OK, you decide to vacation in Italy (post pandemic of course) but when you meet Customs and Immigration, they decide you don't look savory so they take your children and boot you out on the next flight. I don't care if you try to enter legally or illegally, this act is barbarous. You're not going to gain any points trying to convince me that the USA is some shining star of civil rights (at least beyond the usual platitudes).
Not quite, they would send you and your family back on the first plane out, as would the U.S. There is a big difference between illegally entering a country and being denied entry. If it were up to me the kids would be dropped off at the consulate or embassy of the child’s home country and the Adults get to break rocks in Alaska for 5 years.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 27, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
Not quite, they would send you and your family back on the first plane out, as would the U.S. There is a big difference between illegally entering a country and being denied entry. If it were up to me the kids would be dropped off at the consulate or embassy of the child’s home country and the Adults get to break rocks in Alaska for 5 years.
I was using an example. There is no way on this earth that anyone can justify taking children from their parents. And sorry to see that Trump raised the level of illegal immigration to this level of hatred. Maybe you would enjoy just shooting them as they try t enter.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: RotBaron on December 27, 2020, 07:16:47 PM
OK, you decide to vacation in Italy (post pandemic of course) but when you meet Customs and Immigration, they decide you don't look savory so they take your children and boot you out on the next flight. I don't care if you try to enter legally or illegally, this act is barbarous. You're not going to gain any points trying to convince me that the USA is some shining star of civil rights (at least beyond the usual platitudes).
:headscratch:
Wow
Can you name some other countries that are “shining stars” when you break their laws while there either legally or illegally please? We have due process even for non-citizens that break our laws.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: FESS67 on December 27, 2020, 07:18:52 PM
You say "America is soo expensive". Well you know what, that's what happens when a country is forced into strong regulations and working practices, while other countries can manipulate their currency, enslave their population and use cheap resources to create cheaper products. We've put all of these high costs on to American business while letting the world undercut us, then our politicians sold us out with trade deals so business can simply leave and go sell their products in places where they don't have to deal with American standards and regulations. Its totally Bullcrap, and it's why Trump is right to get our manufacturing back.
It is not just America that suffers from this. The Western or 'developed' world all feel this pain. When you say "We've put all these high costs on to American business" do you have a 'We' in mind or is it a collective 'The USA screwed itself'?
Was it the unions demanding better wages and conditions for the workers? Was it the workers themselves demanding better wages and conditions so they could live the dream? I am pretty damn sure it was not industry itself because they understand the balance book and know when they are getting squeezed out of the game. We cannot however allow industry to rule the game because they would act in a manner that would not care too much about workers rights. That is why we have unions right?
Truth is China is going through the same curve the USA went through and in time they will be complaining that some African nation is taking their jobs.....etc etc. Global economy and you cannot run and hide from it you need to find a way to compete. Your way may no longer be in steel or ship building, the motor industry or coal mining. Perhaps the USA needs to focus more on tourism (post Covid obviously), or food and wine, or keep pushing technology. Things change and you have to adapt and change with it or be left behind.
Look at the UK. During the American civil war their textile industry was massive. Now it is pretty much non existent. Same for steel. Car manufacturing.....the list is long.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Chris79 on December 27, 2020, 07:37:38 PM
I was using an example. There is no way on this earth that anyone can justify taking children from their parents. And sorry to see that Trump raised the level of illegal immigration to this level of hatred. Maybe you would enjoy just shooting them as they try t enter.
Straw man anyone. The problem with most leftists is they tend to lack a logical thought process and lead with emotion. You made the false assumption that I’m a Trump supporter, and that I hate illegal immigrants. Personally I think Trump is a bombastic fool, as for illegal immigration, although I don’t necessarily hate the immigrants themselves, it’s the act of which I detest. If you want to stop an act, you must make the risk of engaging upon on that act not worthy of any particular benefit there of. Obviously what little penalties involved now have little or no impact.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: SIM on December 27, 2020, 07:38:49 PM
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And sorry to see that Trump raised the level of illegal immigration to this level of hatred.
I'd like to see you prove that statement.
How is someone illegally crossing the border any different from someone breaking into your home? They break the laws of this nation. That means they are criminal upon arrival.
I couldn't care less if adults are separated from children as a consequence of breaking the law. Its far better treatment than if I caught them breaking into my home.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 27, 2020, 08:08:21 PM
How is someone illegally crossing the border any different from someone breaking into your home? They break the laws of this nation. That means they are criminal upon arrival.
I couldn't care less if adults are separated from children as a consequence of breaking the law. Its far better treatment than if I caught them breaking into my home.
Guess it's too late to discuss that the USA was first made up of illegal immigrants huh? Want to address the atrocities perpetrated on the Natives that lived here? Oh ya, they didn't have guns and when they fought back, they were labeled as savages. So keep your guns clean there Cowboy.
I recall the Emma Lazarus statement on the Statue of Liberty "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." Damn those platitudes.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: SIM on December 27, 2020, 08:20:19 PM
Yes, its too late to do anything about actions that happened so long ago. But if you think it is so important take your attempt at a history lesson and try to make use of it during the time period where the actions happened.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 27, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
Straw man anyone. The problem with most leftists is they tend to lack a logical thought process and lead with emotion. You made the false assumption that I’m a Trump supporter, and that I hate illegal immigrants. Personally I think Trump is a bombastic fool, as for illegal immigration, although I don’t necessarily hate the immigrants themselves, it’s the act of which I detest. If you want to stop an act, you must make the risk of engaging upon on that act not worthy of any particular benefit there of. Obviously what little penalties involved now have little or no impact.
Actually, there's a lot of straw being woven into men in this thread.
How is someone illegally crossing the border any different from someone breaking into your home? They break the laws of this nation. That means they are criminal upon arrival.
I couldn't care less if adults are separated from children as a consequence of breaking the law. Its far better treatment than if I caught them breaking into my home.
For illegally crossing our border the maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense with a misdemeanor. False equivalency.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: RotBaron on December 27, 2020, 10:11:30 PM
How is someone illegally crossing the border any different from someone breaking into your home? They break the laws of this nation. That means they are criminal upon arrival.
I couldn't care less if adults are separated from children as a consequence of breaking the law. Its far better treatment than if I caught them breaking into my home.
+1
Come all, tired, poor, those looking for a better life and hope in the greatest nation on earth - but respect our laws and come through the legal channels.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: SIM on December 27, 2020, 10:51:53 PM
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For illegally crossing our border the maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense with a misdemeanor. False equivalency.
The false equivalency is your attempt at justifying a crime by way of its classification. The criminal knowingly broke the laws of this nation. While you try to use snide comments to promote your opinions, you still have not been willing to call an illegal alien, a criminal.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: TryHard on December 27, 2020, 10:57:46 PM
I don't reckon it matters if you're democrat or republic, once you get to that level in politics you play by the rules or else you get that slow convertible car ride in Dallas...
But its alright. Republicans got the beat their chest while the democrats whined about electoral college, and rigged election, etc. And how less than 4 years later we see the exact same thing but turntables, the chickens have come home to roost, what ever the hell that means.
At least now the news cycle might have something to say other than orange man bad 24 hours a day.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
The false equivalency is your attempt at justifying a crime by way of its classification. The criminal knowingly broke the laws of this nation. While you try to use snide comments to promote your opinions, you still have not been willing to call an illegal alien, a criminal.
Nothing snide about pointing out that crossing the border and breaking into your house are two very different things. Trying to equate the two is hyperbole.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 28, 2020, 04:12:49 AM
Guess it's too late to discuss that the USA was first made up of illegal immigrants huh? Want to address the atrocities perpetrated on the Natives that lived here? Oh ya, they didn't have guns and when they fought back, they were labeled as savages. So keep your guns clean there Cowboy.
I recall the Emma Lazarus statement on the Statue of Liberty "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." Damn those platitudes.
Virtue signaling right there.
The British require reparations from Emperor Claudius for invading Britain in AD72 The Indians,Hungarians and Iranians require reparations from the Mongolians for atrocities they perpetrated. The Egyptians require reparations from the Hittites who ravished thier country in 1000 BC
Read a book thing words in it made from paper.
All the above shows is you watch PBS and have been educated by individuals who have never had to work or live out of the Education system.
Your academics would be right wing in a flash if their evil state funded capitalist created salaries finished.
In the UK the Academics have lost billions because Chinese students have stopped coming to the uk to learn engineering and science.
Have a damn guess how many British people were educated by said Academics.....none...these academics took their 30 pieces of silver and bought property in the South of France.
Go and live in North Korea if you hate the US, if you talked like that in India, Africa or China they would put you cage anf throw poo at you.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 28, 2020, 06:01:51 AM
Nothing snide about pointing out that crossing the border and breaking into your house are two very different things. Trying to equate the two is hyperbole.
You should replace "crossing the border" with "illegal immigation" so you guys can stay on topic and preserve clarity.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2020, 08:27:06 AM
When sleepy creepy corrupt joe lets in the illegal caravans next year the media will tell us all of great for the country it is for those of us who work and will be supporting them...
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 09:36:22 AM
When sleepy creepy corrupt joe lets in the illegal caravans next year the media will tell us all of great for the country it is for those of us who work and will be supporting them...
Go pick lettuce and impress me.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2020, 09:46:24 AM
My first job married at 19 with a pregnat wife was for $3.26 an hour working 50 to 60 hrs a week to make ends meet without any assistance and it was much harder than picking produce
No illegal immigrants needed ..
No occupy wallstreet protest demanding more..
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 28, 2020, 09:49:03 AM
My first job married at 19 with a pregnat wife was for $3.26 an hour working 50 to 60 hrs a week to make ends meet without any assistance and it was much harder than picking produce
No illegal immigrants needed ..
No occupy wallstreet protest demanding more..
Eagler
What year was that?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 09:52:25 AM
And did you consume lettuce or any other product from the fields that rely on migrant workers that cross the border?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 28, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
Zhang Zhan, 37, received a 4 years sentence today in China for highlighting the Wuhan covid virus outbreak.
Don Lemon on CNN will not be discussing said jail term, he has a mansion and a husband to think off.
Virtue signal over that on your Chinese made ipad liberals :)
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 10:06:34 AM
Boycotting iPads, Zack? 3 days til the new year. :old:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 28, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
Round and round. Could we stick to a topic to find at least one end.
So we see the amount of working immigrants in certain sectors is almost matched by illegals.
That tells me there is demand for more legal immigrants and plenty of illegals are successfully occupying that demand. That in no way justifies illegal immigration.
So we see the amount of working immigrants in certain sectors is almost matched by illegals.
That tells me there is demand for more legal immigrants and plenty of illegals are successfully occupying that demand. That in no way justifies illegal immigration.
And it doesn't tell you that legal immigrants do not fill that demand? How many U.S. born citizens line up for and are denied those jobs?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
Same exact (argument) the confederates made during slavery. Muh unregulated servant labor for cheap products. Whose gonna pick your cotton then?
How about you go walk across the border to Mexico without being checked and let me know how it works out for you. :aok
No. The confederates tried to make the argument for slavery, for people as property. That's not even remotely close. Then post reconstruction opted for share cropping. Before Covid .... way before ... when I was a young man and you weren't a twinkle yet ... my going across the border from the U.S. to Mexico via check point was merely a formality. I could have crossed elsewhere and there wouldn't be Mexican authorities to stop me. Coming back in such manner may have presented a problem (or possibly not).
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 28, 2020, 11:46:23 AM
No. The confederates tried to make the argument for slavery, for people as property. That's not even remotely close. Then post reconstruction opted for share cropping. Before Covid .... way before ... when I was a young man and you weren't a twinkle yet ... my going across the border from the U.S. to Mexico via check point was merely a formality. I could have crossed elsewhere and there wouldn't be Mexican authorities to stop me. Coming back in such manner may have presented a problem (or possibly not).
Lincon freed the slaves to win the war. :old:
His priority was the country. The debate over property was easy to finish.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
The law says you can't come here and stay without registration.
I'm sure the refugee children in cages that may never see their parents again appreciate that. There's the law then there's using it as an excuse to commit atrocities. But we're all just people, being people.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2020, 12:07:42 PM
Do not need ILLEGAL immigrants to pick anything
Need to get our lazy "poor" citizens off their air conditioned sofas and earn their gov hand outs where they are capable - most
Would lower unemployment and gov waste
We have the richest poor folks in the world which is another factor that draws illegals..they all are not starving hard workers ... many are just lazy crooks like many legit citizens here
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2020, 12:08:40 PM
I'm sure the refugee children in cages that may never see their parents again appreciate that. There's the law then there's using it as an excuse to commit atrocities. But we're all just people, being people.
Cry me a river
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 12:23:35 PM
I'm sure the refugee children in cages that may never see their parents again appreciate that. There's the law then there's using it as an excuse to commit atrocities. But we're all just people, being people.
They talk a lot of the atrocities. I'm not down there.
If they built a wall they would not need as many holding cells. Just a guess.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
He doesn't seem to understand or want to care that those parents sold their children to the cartel to be trafficked into America.
Those kids and anyone caught should be sent back to Mexico, not held in America at our cost. Over 400 kids were not connected to any DNA of "parents" being detained.
Somehow we are the mean ones for not letting these children dissappear into America where God only knows what really happens to them.
Good thing we've built a lot of the wall to deter that.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 28, 2020, 12:36:06 PM
The surrender cry of giving up the moral high ground.
Sorry I can not feel responsible or guilt for every stupid decision made by 3rd world poor and seemingly very uneducated immigrants trying to ILLEGALLY enter this country
Those providing this caravan service should be arrested as illegal entry into this country is against the law but the crazy left thinks it is great
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 12:39:13 PM
He doesn't seem to understand or want to care that those parents sold their children to the cartel to be trafficked into America.
Those kids and anyone caught should be sent back to Mexico, not held in America at our cost. Over 400 kids were not connected to any DNA of "parents" being detained.
Somehow we are the mean ones for not letting these children dissappear into America where God only knows what really happens to them.
Good thing we've built a lot of the wall to deter that.
Citation works like this:
Before Trump became president, 654 miles had primary barriers. During Trump’s presidency, that has increased by 3 miles, to 657 miles of primary barriers.
The Trump administration claims that it created this policy to protect children and families from trafficking. The claim is disingenuous. Mexico is one of the main source countries for human trafficking victims identified in the United States and has a known problem with child sex trafficking in particular. It’s especially disturbing that sending children to Mexico puts them at risk of rape, assault, and other abuse -- risks that are similar to the dangers they and their families may have been fleeing in the first place. The true aim of the policy appears to be to curtail the right to seek asylum in the United States.
Meh. We have a lot of work to do to live up to our high ideals. But I don't have to think too hard to decide I'd rather be here than a citizen of China. No brainer.
Even during Trump's administration. :D
(Which thankfully will be a single term. Though it just seemed longer. :rofl)
If there was a "thumbs up" button on this bbs, I'd hit it for the first paragraph. Pretty much my point I was trying to make.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 28, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
Before Trump became president, 654 miles had primary barriers. During Trump’s presidency, that has increased by 3 miles, to 657 miles of primary barriers.
The Trump administration claims that it created this policy to protect children and families from trafficking. The claim is disingenuous. Mexico is one of the main source countries for human trafficking victims identified in the United States and has a known problem with child sex trafficking in particular. It’s especially disturbing that sending children to Mexico puts them at risk of rape, assault, and other abuse -- risks that are similar to the dangers they and their families may have been fleeing in the first place. The true aim of the policy appears to be to curtail the right to seek asylum in the United States.
Uh..what? So sending Mexican children...back to Mexico...is now "bad", and it's Trumps fault. So wtf does the left want then exactly - you're beating the gong saying that "ripping children from their parents who enter ILLEGALLY is bad". Now you're saying that sending those same children back to Mexico instead is bad, because..Mexico. So wth is the solution then, vaporizing these children? You don't want them "ripped" from their parents, you don't want them sent back to their home country at the US border...are you suggesting that the solution is to just "leave them be" with their parents, and not to stop and/or imprison either? Because that seems to be the only avenue you're leaving open, to just stand pat, not to interdict any illegal entries, because it might "rip" children from their parents. Ridiculous.
Seems to me the best plan would be an immediate return to Mexico for both parents and their children who have accompanied them. This way the poor children aren't "ripped from their parents", they are just sent back to their home country where they were born, and belong.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 01:22:19 PM
Uh..what? So sending Mexican children...back to Mexico...is now "bad", and it's Trumps fault. So wtf does the left want then exactly - you're beating the gong saying that "ripping children from their parents who enter ILLEGALLY is bad". Now you're saying that sending those same children back to Mexico instead is bad, because..Mexico. So wth is the solution then, vaporizing these children? You don't want them "ripped" from their parents, you don't want them turned back at the border...are you suggesting that the solution is to just "leave them be" with their parents, and not to stop and/or imprison either? Because that seems to be the only avenue you're leaving open, to just stand pat, not to interdict any illegal entries, because it might "rip" children from their parents. Ridiculous.
Actually the answer is to not destroy the family unit and to handle migrant influx and asylum requests in a humane and compassionate manner (as has been done before). Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. Are we good? :)
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 28, 2020, 01:26:11 PM
Before Trump became president, 654 miles had primary barriers. During Trump’s presidency, that has increased by 3 miles, to 657 miles of primary barriers.
The Trump administration claims that it created this policy to protect children and families from trafficking. The claim is disingenuous. Mexico is one of the main source countries for human trafficking victims identified in the United States and has a known problem with child sex trafficking in particular. It’s especially disturbing that sending children to Mexico puts them at risk of rape, assault, and other abuse -- risks that are similar to the dangers they and their families may have been fleeing in the first place. The true aim of the policy appears to be to curtail the right to seek asylum in the United States.
Hilarious, I'm glad you agree with Trump that Mexico is terrible Hotspot for rapist and murderers. Too bad you don't care about them coming into our country though. 😉
Why aren't the UN or any media going after Mexico everyday for their corruption? America is such a terrible racist country, yet they all want to flee here? Wow.
The logic simply doesn't make sense. Attack America for being mean, give Mexico the break for putting their citizens in such a terrible position they have to run to America to survive. But if we send them back. We are also mean because there is so much evil in Mexico, but we don't want to do anything about it.
Trump repaired hundreds of miles of poor barriers + added new barriers. Anyone against border barriers doesn't have the moral superiority because it means woman and children are still being trafficked. Im not sure why that's so hard to understand, unless you are making money from it of course.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 28, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
Again. Argument of comparison does not justify a shortcoming. :old:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 28, 2020, 01:32:38 PM
Actually the answer is to not destroy the family unit and to handle migrant influx and asylum requests in a humane and compassionate manner (as has been done before). Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. Are we good? :)
Obama signed the executive order to lock children in cages.....FACT
virtue signal you spoilt liberals on that fact.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Firetech on December 28, 2020, 01:36:47 PM
Sad you guys cant discuss politics without getting personal..
The leader is not as imortant as to how and why that leader got there these days
The "leader" will come and go but the obvious corruption on so many levels will still be there
It sounds like that is ok by some as long as it is their corruption that wins out
Eagler
You are "some" then. Pointing the finger at the other side as corrupt but your side was fine? Explain again how all the counties and states that orange clown won are 100% legit and all the ones he lost are 100% corrupt?
It's ok.. just like this game, some can only explain their suckage by claiming the other guy cheated.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 29, 2020, 07:44:42 AM
Until there is an investigation we do not know
What is known is what side does not want that investigation for obvious reasons
You do not suck in this game ... but keep practicing :)
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 29, 2020, 07:48:21 AM
Eagler wins!
Good talk guys!
:cheers:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 08:30:40 AM
How can you prove anything when they refuse to look at it?
The assumption is the election results certified by each state as complete and fair are so, unless you can prove other wise in a court of law.
Period. Full stop.
How you get a federal judge to believe your ridiculous nonsense is your problem.
BTW, how many of Rudy's court filings did he actually plead voter fraud had occurred?
I'm pretty certain zero.
Why? You have to plead voter fraud in your suit first, and then prove it in a court of law. Under the rules of evidence of a court of law. Rudy knows they don't have the slightest shred of evidence that wouldn't get laughed out of court. Even Rudy isn't stupid enough to stand in front of a federal judge and lie. :rofl
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Slade on December 29, 2020, 09:06:11 AM
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The assumption is the election results certified by each state as complete and fair are so, unless you can prove other wise in a court of law.
One could actually look up the court cases and see what the judges ruled and their legal reasons why they were found to have no merit.
We are not zombies, we are not forced to believe what a skewed news source keeps repeating.
EDIT: These might help if you are looking for the truth: * https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ * https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-s-election-fight-includes-over-30-lawsuits-it-s-n1248289 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump
If anyone has better links to the actual cases (as they are public records) please post. :salute
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 09:15:21 AM
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The judge pressed Goldstein to answer the specific question: “Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?” To which Goldstein replied: “To my knowledge at present, no.”
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On Thursday, Fox News host Tucker Carlson lambasted Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell for claiming without evidence that glitches in electronic voting machines had improperly favored Biden. “She never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another,” Carlson said. “Not one.”
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“Based on what I’ve read in their filings, when Trump campaign lawyers have stood before courts under oath, they have repeatedly refused to actually allege grand fraud — because there are legal consequences for lying to judges,” Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse said in part.
That is a recurring pattern in all the cases that is not getting reported by some news stations for some reason. :confused:
If they actually had evidence they would present it in front of a judge.
If they proved in federal court that there was massive systemic fraud, or that foreign entities were manipulating the election computing system, I would be the first to join them on the barricades even if that meant Donny won. No one wants the Chinese to be able to shift vote counts around.
But the Trumpkins are liars (except for the ones that are clueless rubes). They have no evidence that would hold up in court. That is why they don't dare plead that in court in front of a federal judge.
Except for maybe the Kraken beotch. But she is a loon, has presented no evidence, hasn't won a case, and is probably going to end up losing her license to practice law.
And yet the Trumpkin liars and rubes will keep parroting unfounded accusations they read on Epoch Times or GatewayPundit.
Prove it in federal court, or go pound sand.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
If they actually had evidence they would present it in front of a judge.
If they proved in federal court that there was massive systemic fraud, or that foreign entities were manipulating the election computing system, I would be the first to join them on the barricades even if that meant Donny won. No one wants the Chinese to be able to shift vote counts around.
But the Trumpkins are liars (except for the ones that are clueless rubes). They have no evidence that would hold up in court. That is why they don't dare plead that in court in front of a federal judge.
Except for maybe the Kraken beotch. But she is a loon, has presented no evidence, hasn't won a case, and is probably going to end up losing her license to practice law.
And yet the Trumpkin liars and rubes will keep parroting unfounded accusations they read on Epoch Times or GatewayPundit.
Prove it in federal court, or go pound sand.
You clowns have no idea whats coming. 🤣
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2020, 09:41:12 AM
Can't prove your case in court? Prove your accusation in federal court and I will join your cause. But you can't, because there is no reasonable evidence that will hold up in court.
So, now you are threatening violent rebellion? :rofl
I'm not surprised. At their heart, despite their BS slogans, Trumpkin's are traitors to everything this country really stands for. They only want a Putin-like authoritarian regime.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 09:44:59 AM
LoL.
And now the Trumpkin bumpkins are suing their own VP. :rofl
I love it when the rats turn on each other and start chewing each others faces off. :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 29, 2020, 10:50:04 AM
The ppl are desperate as they see the truth now and it is gov corruption at the highest levels
To sit on a laptop showing china pay offs of sleepy creepy corrupt joe and his son saying you do not want to affect a prez election is the latest example of this
I think most are too stupid and too busy with the "masked singer" level of brain activity to care or even being able to understand what it even means.
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2020, 10:56:51 AM
To sit on a laptop showing china pay offs of sleepy creepy corrupt joe and his son saying you do not want to affect a prez election is the latest example of this
Oh, giving up on the voter fraud claim then and moving on to something else? LoL
The ppl are desperate as they see the truth now and it is gov corruption at the highest levels
To sit on a laptop showing china pay offs of sleepy creepy corrupt joe and his son saying you do not want to affect a prez election is the latest example of this
Yes the trump Administration is corrupt.
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I think most are too stupid and too busy with the "masked singer" level of brain activity to care or even being able to understand what it even means.
Eagler
Yes it is sad and must be terribly embarrassing for those with a supposed high level of education and intelligence to have been conned and still being conned by the master of the con, DJ Trump.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 29, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
So is it true Biden is a kid sniffer?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 29, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
The laptop, voter fraud this election, the bs russia got trump elected in 16 tv farce are all examples of the same misgovernment/corruption
But you guys know this as I do not think you are stupid but chose to deflect which is all you have left IMO
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 11:22:43 AM
Can't prove your case in court? Prove your accusation in federal court and I will join your cause. But you can't, because there is no reasonable evidence that will hold up in court.
So, now you are threatening violent rebellion? :rofl
I'm not surprised. At their heart, despite their BS slogans, Trumpkin's are traitors to everything this country really stands for. They only want a Putin-like authoritarian regime.
The founding fathers would disagree.
The cases will be proven in the Supreme Court or military tribunals. Take your pick. This is no where near over.
We stand for America and justice. Not China, Soros, and the communist color revolution.
If the courts fail us and the military fails us. The conservatives will have no other choice but to rebel.
It will not be your hissy fit antifa children taking over police precincts or burning federal court houses either.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 29, 2020, 11:45:19 AM
Can't prove your case in court? Prove your accusation in federal court and I will join your cause. But you can't, because there is no reasonable evidence that will hold up in court.
So, now you are threatening violent rebellion? :rofl
I'm not surprised. At their heart, despite their BS slogans, Trumpkin's are traitors to everything this country really stands for. They only want a Putin-like authoritarian regime.
Hmmm it seems the traitor himself is voicing a deflection. Anyone that voted demoncrat is a traitor to American Values and our founding principles. :rock
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
Actually the answer is to not destroy the family unit and to handle migrant influx and asylum requests in a humane and compassionate manner (as has been done before). Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. Are we good? :)
That's already being done, and has always been done - there is a standing LEGAL system for requesting asylum or access to the USA. That's not the same as illegally entering the USA, which is what causes the children to be "ripped" away, and their parents to be imprisoned. You're confusing doing things the legal way, and illegally entering the USA.
Surely you aren't suggesting that every person who illegally enters the USA with child in tow and demands asylum when caught, should be put up in a nice hotel while the court system processes their case and decides if they should be granted that asylum. I'm sure that policy wouldn't cause millions more Mexicans to get the same idea, and completely overwhelm the border, the system, and the ability of the USA to pay for all of them.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 29, 2020, 11:54:54 AM
I'm not a lawyer, but isn't calling for the violent over throw of the US government is a federal offence? :rofl
At the very least inciting violence.
In any case it just proves my point. Trumpkins are traitors to everything this country stands for.
They have no intent to abide by our constitutional electoral process.
They have no intent to abide by the judgements of our courts of law.
They are willing to use violence to establish a Putin-like authoritarian state.
Good luck with that. :aok :rofl
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.
Oh I get it.
Don't get the answer you want in an election or court case, violently overthrow the government.
Got it.
Do we still hang traitors? Or is it a firing squad now?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2020, 12:02:45 PM
Domestic terrorism, like burning down police precincts and federal courthouses? Or does that not count because "muh antifa is okay"?
Of course it does.
Are you saying because someone else committed violence you are now free to violently overthrow the government? Our legal system doesn't work that way. I think you'll find "whadaboutism" an ineffective tactic in front of a judge.
Are you saying because someone else committed violence you are now free to violently overthrow the government? Our legal system doesn't work that way. I think you'll find "whadaboutism" an ineffective tactic in front of a judge.
Nice deflection attempt. You didn't suggest violently rebelling against ANTIFA. You suggested violently rebelling against our government.
I pay 1,200 a month in taxes to support my country and its people. Not F ing Pakistan. Do you understand me?
Whattaboutism is a great tactic for th CIA.
Hey speaking of the CIA, where's Gina?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
One could actually look up the court cases and see what the judges ruled and their legal reasons why they were found to have no merit.
We are not zombies, we are not forced to believe what a skewed news source keeps repeating.
EDIT: These might help if you are looking for the truth: * https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/ * https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-s-election-fight-includes-over-30-lawsuits-it-s-n1248289 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump
If anyone has better links to the actual cases (as they are public records) please post. :salute
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.michigan.gov/documents/ag/Stoddard_et_al_v_City_Election_Commission_et_al_-_11-06-2020_707182_7.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwingqjK3vPtAhWmAp0JHVF8Da04ChAWMAJ6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw3Asi3AH8H_JYfEUlq5WWut that one was interesting. The judge says the law only requires one representative per site. No direct proof was given. The court will not move unless it must. The court does not want to stall a election. The court does not want to upset detroit.
Nothing that backs up trips ridiculous stance, and not that proves a fair election. The courts position, in this case, shows that we must find the truth without the election being on the line. Also, this one case, where the judge ignores the witnesses, does not address other files complaints. So what's next?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 29, 2020, 02:53:42 PM
Nothing that backs up trips ridiculous stance, and not that proves a fair election.
No one has to prove a fair election, dummy. You have to prove fraud if you have the evidence.
Just like we don't drag you into court and tell you to prove your innocence. If someone wants to prove your guilt, they have to be the ones to provide the evidence.
Hell, first you even have to accuse fraud (in court, not on the internet). How many of Rudy's filings has he claimed voter fraud occured?
60?
40?
10? Surely he's claim that at least 10 out of 60 cases? No?
1? Has Rudy claimed voter fraud in even one of his 60 cases?
Nnnnnnnnnope. I don't think so. Can you provide me the filing of the case he does?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2020, 03:02:15 PM
The proof that every ballot is not verified by untested parties is proof. It was in the first paragraph of the judges report. Sorry for your luck, there was a guy in the building, that's all the law says.
So the judge stuffed the law back in our face. Nobody ever said every vote needed to be verified.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 03:33:57 PM
The proof that every ballot is not verified by untested parties is proof. It was in the first paragraph of the judges report. Sorry for your luck, there was a guy in the building, that's all the law says.
So the judge stuffed the law back in our face. Nobody ever said every vote needed to be verified.
Babbling.
The best I can decipher is you are grudgingly admitting Trumpkins failed to make their case in court.
On that, we agree.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 29, 2020, 04:18:12 PM
Read what the judge wrote. It nullifies your argument and substantiates the problem with counting ballots. There are inadequate controls and accuracy rests with the people, not the court.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2020, 04:28:24 PM
Domestic terrorism, like burning down police precincts and federal courthouses? Or does that not count because "muh antifa is okay"?
If the police and military don't take down Antifa, who do yoi think will?
It's neither your place nor your Qanon leaders if there are any (likely some nut case in his basement) to determine who or who has not committed a crime.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: LCADolby on December 29, 2020, 05:12:55 PM
When the proof is produced, no one wants to hear it, even though its there in plain sight. I believe because it's more hassle than 4 years under a President that doesn't know what day it is.
I know I wasn't the only one to go to bed seeing states calling Trump ahead, then Trump be behind in the morning as the counts continued in secret with no oversight from independent adjudicators. I mean every single vote over night was purely Biden and not one Trump... Smells fishy. Especially the CCTV of the voting cards being taken from black bags hidden underneath covered tables. An other case included a vote counter refusing entry of an independent adjudicator to a counting location, despite his having all the correct paperwork and credentials.. The list goes on, the widespread corruption of the voting process goes to show that there isn't a jail big enough to hold the active conspirators.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 29, 2020, 05:24:01 PM
When the proof is produced, no one wants to hear it, even though its there in plain sight. I believe because it's more hassle than 4 years under a President that doesn't know what day it is.
I know I wasn't the only one to go to bed seeing states calling Trump ahead, then Trump be behind in the morning as the counts continued in secret with no oversight from independent adjudicators. I mean every single vote over night was purely Biden and not one Trump... Smells fishy. Especially the CCTV of the voting cards being taken from black bags hidden underneath covered tables. An other case included a vote counter refusing entry of an independent adjudicator to a counting location, despite his having all the correct paperwork and credentials.. The list goes on, the widespread corruption of the voting process goes to show that there isn't a jail big enough to hold the active conspirators.
All I hear is a basket full of conjecture. Produce evidence beyond opinion - anything that any reputable lawyer can present. All of this says to me is that a significant number of people believe the entire system is corrupt; even beyond the election process. There is no doubt that corruption exists in all walks of life but if you believe that your government and the entire civil service is "in-on-it", then you can close the doors on the Great American Experiment; you're fundamentally saying that it was an abysmal failure.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 05:25:12 PM
When the proof is produced, no one wants to hear it, even though its there in plain sight. I believe because it's more hassle than 4 years under a President that doesn't know what day it is.
I know I wasn't the only one to go to bed seeing states calling Trump ahead, then Trump be behind in the morning as the counts continued in secret with no oversight from independent adjudicators. I mean every single vote over night was purely Biden and not one Trump... Smells fishy. Especially the CCTV of the voting cards being taken from black bags hidden underneath covered tables. An other case included a vote counter refusing entry of an independent adjudicator to a counting location, despite his having all the correct paperwork and credentials.. The list goes on, the widespread corruption of the voting process goes to show that there isn't a jail big enough to hold the active conspirators.
LoL What a clueless dolt.
Prove it in court, or go pound sand.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2020, 05:26:44 PM
It's neither your place nor your Qanon leaders if there are any (likely some nut case in his basement) to determine who or who has not committed a crime.
So a nut in his basement, who has the ability to post at the exact second of the day Trump on multiple occasions, is encouraging hundreds of thousands of people around the world to wake up to corruption. Wow, this nut should win an award I'll tell you. Too bad CNN can't figure out how to doxx him... id really like to know who it is.
Why would the FBI clown be so scared that he had to call it a "domestic terrorist?" Funny because Q is being read all over the world. How do they know its even American if they can't tell us who it is?
Like Trump said when asked about Q going after satanic pedo networks. "Is that suppose to be a bad thing".
You tell me Busher?
Let's hope the FBI doesn't waste too much time and money on things that are actually important.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 29, 2020, 05:29:38 PM
I know I wasn't the only one to go to bed seeing states calling Trump ahead, then Trump be behind in the morning as the counts continued in secret with no oversight from independent adjudicators. I mean every single vote over night was purely Biden and not one Trump... Smells fishy.
Nothing fishy about it. The Orange Clown wanted Repugs to vote in person and the Dems wanted to vote by mail. The in person votes were counted first.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: MiloMorai on December 29, 2020, 05:32:59 PM
Go ahead and contact them. I'm sure they'll laugh when you forward a quote from Thomas Jefferson circa 1787.
So, you honest feel that anytime someone doesn't get a court decision they want or don't win an election they should just violently overthrow the government?
If we did that wouldn't we just be a banana republic? Isn't what makes us a first world nation is that we agree to abide by court decisions even when they don't go our way and abide by elections even when our guys doesn't win?
Do you want America to look like Sudan?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: hitech on December 29, 2020, 05:36:11 PM
So, you honest feel that anytime someone doesn't get a court decision they want or don't win an election they should just violently overthrow the government?
If we did that wouldn't we just be a banana republic? Isn't what makes us a first world nation is that we agree to abide by court decisions even when they don't go our way and abide by elections even when our guys doesn't win?
Do you want America to look like Sudan?
Nice straw man.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 29, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
It's kind of hard to "prove it court", when the Supreme Court judges where heard screaming and arguing with one another about hearing Trump's case, saying "it was too dangerous and would result in riots in the streets". When your own Supreme Court refuses to hear a case because it's afraid of the social unrest due to the possible/likely result of that case...what do you think people on the Right imagine the next step is after that?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 29, 2020, 05:38:47 PM
So, you honest feel that anytime someone doesn't get a court decision they want or don't win an election they should just violently overthrow the government?
If we did that wouldn't we just be a banana republic? Isn't what makes us a first world nation is that we agree to abide by court decisions even when they don't go our way and abide by elections even when our guys doesn't win?
Do you want America to look like Sudan?
Of course not, and all I'm saying is that if you want to "report me" for posting only the verbatim exact quote of a past sitting President, you go right ahead.
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Quote from: Gman on Today at 04:29:38 PM Go ahead and contact them. I'm sure they'll laugh when you forward a quote from Thomas Jefferson circa 1787. There is a hot line, https://www.dhs.gov/how-do-i/report-suspicious-activity
I'm aware, and also aware that a: posting a quote from Jefferson isn't a crime, and b: even IF it were, I don't live in the USA, so good luck enforcing anything so ridiculous with Homeland Security.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 29, 2020, 05:43:06 PM
At the time of writing, you are talking about muskets versus muskets.
Now, you are talking about shotguns, rifles, and pistols versus a country that spends nearly 750 billion on its military annually.
I'm a proponent of the 2A, but that argument is just stupid.
Normally I'd completely agree.
Now though, the vast major of the trigger pressers I know and still talk to in the US military are NOT on Biden's side. The police have also been vilified, and ostracized by the left in the USA, so good luck for Biden/left/etc going to them for help should anything happen so far as a contested transition of power.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: MiloMorai on December 29, 2020, 05:44:05 PM
Your name will be forwarded to CSIS.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2020, 05:46:48 PM
When the proof is produced, no one wants to hear it, even though its there in plain sight. I believe because it's more hassle than 4 years under a President that doesn't know what day it is.
I know I wasn't the only one to go to bed seeing states calling Trump ahead, then Trump be behind in the morning as the counts continued in secret with no oversight from independent adjudicators. I mean every single vote over night was purely Biden and not one Trump... Smells fishy. Especially the CCTV of the voting cards being taken from black bags hidden underneath covered tables. An other case included a vote counter refusing entry of an independent adjudicator to a counting location, despite his having all the correct paperwork and credentials.. The list goes on, the widespread corruption of the voting process goes to show that there isn't a jail big enough to hold the active conspirators.
It's almost as if it takes a substantial amount of time to process 156 million votes, many of which were mail in ballots. Many states on the west coast don't close until 8pm (11pm est) so yes, it would make sense that at 4AM UK time, votes in west coast states were starting to be counted.
Where is the source that says not one single Trump vote was counted 'overnight'? It seems to me that 6,000,000 votes in California were counted 'overnight' for Trump.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 05:48:59 PM
Of course not, and all I'm saying is that if you want to "report me" for posting only the verbatim exact quote of a past sitting President, you go right ahead.
I wasn't talking about you.
Besides, if Proud Boys start shooting up DC on the 6th, they'll listen plenty to tips about idiots threatening violence against the government.
At least enough to get them an interview. Maybe at their place of employment.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 05:53:52 PM
Now though, the vast major of the trigger pressers I know and still talk to in the US military are NOT on Biden's side. The police have also been vilified, and ostracized by the left in the USA, so good luck for Biden/left/etc going to them for help should anything happen so far as a contested transition of power.
Of course they aren't. And I bet they weren't on Obama's side either. Historically speaking I think it's fair to say that Republicans are the pro-military pro-defense type, so naturally, service members are going to support the people who support their spending bills. But to suggest there would be some sort of national coup because a few people you talk to say they don't like Biden is laughable.
As for police, I am on the fence - there is next to no accountability when it comes to many of these cases we hear about, but at the same time, these officers are put in life or death situations daily so split second decisions matter. I wrote a pretty lengthy research paper in college about the use of Body cams. They definitely have their pros and cons. But it always begs the question why many of these incidents they are conveniently turned off.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2020, 05:58:15 PM
It's almost as if it takes a substantial amount of time to process 156 million votes, many of which were mail in ballots. Many states on the west coast don't close until 8pm (11pm est) so yes, it would make sense that at 4AM UK time, votes in west coast states were starting to be counted.
Where is the source that says not one single Trump vote was counted 'overnight'? It seems to me that 6,000,000 votes in California were counted 'overnight' for Trump.
I stayed up until 1am PST to watch the election. Trump was 600k votes ahead in PA and 160K votes in MI, among other states. I must have just missed the ballot dump at 4am to put Biden ahead. When I woke up, he was winning. This has NEVER happened in US history like this. We have them on tape bringing suitcases into the room at 4am. We have them on Tape in Atl pulling suitcases out of a table that NO ONE knew about all day.
Using cartel tactics to steal an election is treason.
If the courts or military don't do anything about this, there will be hell to pay, and it won't be by me, it will be people far more pissed off and desperate than I am. Because let me tell you, there are business owners who have lost everything because of this bioweapon attack, there are military soldiers who have lost everything from middle eastern wars who are pissed.
We gave Sudan 700,000,000 US dollars on this last bill.
Do you understand how pissed off people are?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 29, 2020, 06:01:37 PM
It's kind of hard to "prove it court", when the Supreme Court judges where heard screaming and arguing with one another about hearing Trump's case, saying "it was too dangerous and would result in riots in the streets". When your own Supreme Court refuses to hear a case because it's afraid of the social unrest due to the possible/likely result of that case...what do you think people on the Right imagine the next step is after that?
Seriously? You're privy to the private discussions of the Justices?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 06:03:04 PM
I stayed up until 1am PST to watch the election. Trump was 600k votes ahead in PA and 160K votes in MI, among other states. I must have just missed the ballot dump at 4am to put Biden ahead. When I woke up, he was winning. This has NEVER happened in US history like this. We have them on tape bringing suitcases into the room at 4am. We have them on Tape in Atl pulling suitcases out of a table that NO ONE knew about all day.
Hey, tell us about those ChemTrails again.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 29, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
I stayed up until 1am PST to watch the election. Trump was 600k votes ahead in PA and 160K votes in MI, among other states. I must have just missed the ballot dump at 4am to put Biden ahead. When I woke up, he was winning. This has NEVER happened in US history like this. We have them on tape bringing suitcases into the room at 4am. We have them on Tape in Atl pulling suitcases out of a table that NO ONE knew about all day.
Using cartel tactics to steal an election is treason.
If the courts or military don't do anything about this, there will be hell to pay, and it won't be by me, it will be people far more pissed off and desperate than I am. Because let me tell you, there are business owners who have lost everything because of this bioweapon attack, there are military soldiers who have lost everything from middle eastern wars who are pissed.
We gave Sudan 700,000,000 US dollars on this last bill.
Do you understand how pissed off people are?
Well we sure hear how pissed you are. How's the blood pressure :x
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
Of course they aren't. And I bet they weren't on Obama's side either. Historically speaking I think it's fair to say that Republicans are the pro-military pro-defense type, so naturally, service members are going to support the people who support their spending bills. But to suggest there would be some sort of national coup because a few people you talk to say they don't like Biden is laughable.
As for police, I am on the fence - there is next to no accountability when it comes to many of these cases we hear about, but at the same time, these officers are put in life or death situations daily so split second decisions matter. I wrote a pretty lengthy research paper in college about the use of Body cams. They definitely have their pros and cons. But it always begs the question why many of these incidents they are conveniently turned off.
Can't argue with any of that.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 29, 2020, 06:08:49 PM
We gave Sudan 700,000,000 US dollars on this last bill.
You do know the the Administration put forward that money and other moneys to be included in the 2cd part of the bill. Are you saying that the Orange Clown had not one iota of what was in the 2cd part of the bill.
You would fit in well here DmonSlyr, https://www.flamewarriors.net/forum/index.php?board/7-main-forum/
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: MiloMorai on December 29, 2020, 06:12:20 PM
On 2cd thought maybe not as the USA has lost the trust of other nations with the Russian hack.
Again, posting a verbatim quote a former President made, can't be an illegal action in any context.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: LCADolby on December 29, 2020, 06:38:36 PM
All this prove it and go pound that... there's CCTV evidence of the voting cards being taken from black bags hidden underneath covered tables with no supervision and no impartial adjudicator knowing where they came from..
As I said, "When the proof is produced, no one wants to hear it, even though its there in plain sight." Sometimes the proof just isn't good enough on blind eyes, deaf ears and closed minds.
Doesn't matter who those voting cards are for, fact is, they were counted when they shouldn't have been. Politics is a dirty business, and this passed election was the dirtiest I've ever seen, I hope never to see it again.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
Relax. :old:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 06:42:35 PM
All this prove it and go pound that... there's CCTV evidence of the voting cards being taken from black bags hidden underneath covered tables with no supervision and no impartial adjudicator knowing where they came from..
As I said, "When the proof is produced, no one wants to hear it, even though its there in plain sight." Sometimes the proof just isn't good enough on blind eyes, deaf ears and closed minds.
Doesn't matter who those voting cards are for, fact is, they were counted when they shouldn't have been. Politics is a dirty business, and this passed election was the dirtiest I've ever seen, I hope never to see it again.
No court has found your evidence compelling. No court victory, no remedy.
Prove it in federal court, or go pound sand.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Gman on December 29, 2020, 06:58:55 PM
Trips, what happens when the highest court refuses to let it be "proved in court", due to fear about the consequences of a verdict that could make one side/group go wild with rioting/etc. From an outside observer, it makes it look like those on the right in the USA feel betrayed by their Supreme Court, as cases that they feel should have been heard by that Supreme Court, were rejected, and not because they weren't valid cases, but again, due to the fear of the consequences of hearing said case.
THAT is also a big problem.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 07:20:32 PM
Trips, what happens when the highest court refuses to let it be "proved in court", due to fear about the consequences of a verdict that could make one side/group go wild with rioting/etc.
First, that is just a bunch of bs right-wing extremists fantasy daydreaming.
Second, SC has made plenty of hard calls before. Brown v. Board of Education, Roe v. Wade. Maybe they just don't find your evidence convincing.
Third, I ask again, how many of the court cases filed by the Presidents legal team, Rudy, et. al, have they under oath claimed the existence of voter fraud? I think the answer is none. You say they won't listen to your evidence of voter fraud, but maybe you should stipulate voter fraud occurred in your plea. Have you thought about why they won't do that?
Fourth, even if you have totally feel you've been screwed by the courts, that's tough. You may think they are right, you may think they are wrong, but we as citizens are obligated to accept the court ruling. File more cases, lobby for legislative changes to voter laws, but attempt armed rebellion and they'll be machinegunned down in the streets like terrorist dogs.
Do the spoiled brat Trumpkins really think they are the only ones who have ever lost a court case they think they should have won?
Prove your case in court (which means convincing a judge and jury, not just making wild internet claims), or go pound sand.
Or try an armed rebellion and see what you get.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 29, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
Trips, what happens when the highest court refuses to let it be "proved in court", due to fear about the consequences of a verdict that could make one side/group go wild with rioting/etc. From an outside observer, it makes it look like those on the right in the USA feel betrayed by their Supreme Court, as cases that they feel should have been heard by that Supreme Court, were rejected, and not because they weren't valid cases, but again, due to the fear of the consequences of hearing said case.
THAT is also a big problem.
I am at a complete loss to understand your point. What the F do you think courts do? Sit and make judgements on opinions and beliefs? If you wish to make a case before the Court (all courts for that matter), you must present actual evidence of wrong doing. The court is not refusing to allow anything to be proven.... nothing has been presented that is provable.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 29, 2020, 07:23:32 PM
Trips, what happens when the highest court refuses to let it be "proved in court", due to fear about the consequences of a verdict that could make one side/group go wild with rioting/etc. From an outside observer, it makes it look like those on the right in the USA feel betrayed by their Supreme Court, as cases that they feel should have been heard by that Supreme Court, were rejected, and not because they weren't valid cases, but again, due to the fear of the consequences of hearing said case.
The legal system requires that a viable case be presented. If all that is being put forth is Rudy Giuliani, feelings and spurious complaints then of course it doesn't make the sniff test for even being considered a case. I don't think right wing suicide terrorist bombers are going to impact the normal procedure of law.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: FESS67 on December 29, 2020, 07:53:47 PM
I am not a Trump supporter however the video of those ballots being pulled from under the tables is interesting and I would have thought worthy of further investigation at least.
That does not of course prove voter fraud occurred however an explanation would be useful.
Here are my theories:
Illegal vote rigging activity
legal votes just happened to be stored there and they were counted within the rules
Trump orchestrated stunt to prove voter fraud and give him something to parade in front of the media
Biden orchestrated stunt to wind Trump and Rudi up :t
Whatever it was I have not seen an explanation of it. CptTrips, perhaps you can tell us what was going on in that video?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 08:06:30 PM
Whatever it was I have not seen an explanation of it. CptTrips, perhaps you can tell us what was going on in that video?
I didn't see the link. If it was posted by DemonSlayer, I generally don't bother with his nut-job links.
Is it this one?
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The video, which was shot in Fulton County, Georgia, was aired by One America News Network -- which described it as showing “potential ballot stuffing” -- and was presented as evidence during a December 3 Georgia Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing.
But Frances Watson, the chief investigator in the office of Georgia’s secretary of state, testified on December 5 that “our investigation and review of the entire security footage revealed that there were no mystery ballots that were brought in from an unknown location and hidden under tables as had been reported by some.”
The ballots in question were packed up because “the employees thought that they were done for the night and were closing up and ready to leave. When the counting continued into later into the night, those boxes were opened so that the ballots inside could then be counted.”
Watson also said the investigation found that “observers and media were not asked to leave. They simply left on their own when they saw one group of workers... also leave.”
The legal system requires that a viable case be presented. If all that is being put forth is Rudy Giuliani, feelings and spurious complaints then of course it doesn't make the sniff test for even being considered a case. I don't think right wing suicide terrorist bombers are going to impact the normal procedure of law.
Where/when did not so smart bombs being clacked off by "right wing suicide bombers" come up? If you want to bring up "fantasy", this statement of yours makes it pretty obvious you're the one dreaming up nonsense.
Everything all of you (Trips/Busher/Arlo) are saying MAY be correct, what I continue to point out, again as an outside observer not living in the USA, is that it looks like those on the right FEEL that the Supreme court has let them down, based on exactly what I said. Again, I've not said that this idea is true or the "facts", what I've said and will continue to say is that many, many of those on the right side feel exactly how I've said they do regarding the election, the Supreme Court, etc. And, based on those feelings, what happens now is my concern and point.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: FESS67 on December 29, 2020, 08:36:24 PM
Hours worth of security footage was examined the the investigator for GA SOC. No evidence of foul play was found.
The GA SOC is a Republican, BTW.
Yeah that's the video. So according to the page that was on the explanation given was....The ballots in question were packed up because “the employees thought that they were done for the night and were closing up and ready to leave. When the counting continued into later into the night, those boxes were opened so that the ballots inside could then be counted.”
Then that should be easy to prove, simply show the video footage of those ballots being put away under the tables prior to then being retrieved. I assume that is what happened because the judge found no evidence to continue the case but it sure would be nice to see that footage which would disprove the fraud element much more than a court order as all that has done is lead to more theories of collusion at the highest levels.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 08:43:09 PM
Yeah that's the video. So according to the page that was on the explanation given was....The ballots in question were packed up because “the employees thought that they were done for the night and were closing up and ready to leave. When the counting continued into later into the night, those boxes were opened so that the ballots inside could then be counted.”
Then that should be easy to prove, simply show the video footage of those ballots being put away under the tables prior to then being retrieved. I assume that is what happened because the judge found no evidence to continue the case but it sure would be nice to see that footage which would disprove the fraud element much more than a court order as all that has done is lead to more theories of collusion at the highest levels.
You'll have to take that up with the investigator assigned by the Republican SOC. The information was investigated, hours of video reviewed, and no wrong doing was found, and the Republican GA SOC agreed and certified the election.
I know the video was publicly streamed that whole time. I don't know if all the video archives has been made public.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 08:46:52 PM
Everything all of you (Trips/Busher/Arlo) are saying MAY be correct, what I continue to point out, again as an outside observer not living in the USA, is that it looks like those on the right FEEL that the Supreme court has let them down, based on exactly what I said.
I don't give a flying fk!
You think the Dems didn't "feel" like the SC let them down in Bush v. Gore?
Here is a news flash for you, everyone that loses in the SC is going to "feel" let down. Get the FK over it and change your diapers!
So that justifies a bunch of right-wing extremist military personnel to threaten to abandon their oaths and side with the terrorists?
There real problem is the Trumpkins are freaking out because they have been so saturated with right-wing propaganda that they are just now realizing that reality is not going to comply.
They were told Trump was going to win an unbelievable landslide. They were told the states would never certify the votes. They were told the electoral college was going to reverse everything. They were told that dripping Rudy was going to overturn everything in federal court. They were told just wait until it gets to the SC. Our buds we packed in there will tilt our way.
As each of those lies have come crashing down no longer able to be believed, Trumpkins have been talking more and more crazy. Their world view is crumbling and they are starting to talk like suicide-by-cop nutters.
Too many of them are whack-job, seditious, traitorous, domestic terrorist wannabees. I'm sure we'll have to drop a few of them before this is over. They'll probably be Proud Boys. Or maybe DemonSlayer.
And frankly it won't be a loss, as long as no actual humans are harmed in collateral damage.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 29, 2020, 09:19:00 PM
The legal system requires that a viable case be presented. If all that is being put forth is Rudy Giuliani, feelings and spurious complaints then of course it doesn't make the sniff test for even being considered a case. I don't think right wing suicide terrorist bombers are going to impact the normal procedure of law.
You act like courts have never been wrong or been paid off, or threatened. That's why this should be taken to a non partisan military tribunal. Now we learn that Stacey Abrams sister is a judge residing over an election case in GA? We have plenty of cases, testimonials, affidavits, and statistical analysis. You had none in 2016. All you had was the media. "Its a big nothing burger" Van Jones. 2.5 years of Mueller and 80 million later. All you had was inside agents. Democrats shat on us for 4 years every day. Would never give us the benefit on anything good that Trump did. I know you hate Trump but the fact that you think a state or federal court is the "answer", where one judge can make a decision for millions, and throw away a case without even reading it. This is the very essence of why I don't believe them or you after what you and the clown show have put us through the last 5 years.
We have had republican politicians in train crashes, we have had republican politicians shot playing baseball. We have had Republican politicians beat up in their yard. Police precincts burned. Court houses burned. You dont even care about that, while calling "right wingers" terrorist. Dont give me your pathetic propaganda BS calling criminals "right wing suicide bombers". This is war talk propaganda labeling. This is what pisses me off the most about you people, so pathetic.
This is why we can't have civil political discussions. You never give us any benefit or agreement on anything. Only criticism and ridicule every day. You find fault in every Golly-geened policy that Trump is involved with. Your false labeling and group labeling is cowardly.
Democrats clearly cheated during this election. No question about it. Justice will prevail.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2020, 10:05:06 PM
I am not a Trump supporter however the video of those ballots being pulled from under the tables is interesting and I would have thought worthy of further investigation at least.
That does not of course prove voter fraud occurred however an explanation would be useful.
Here are my theories:
Illegal vote rigging activity
legal votes just happened to be stored there and they were counted within the rules
Trump orchestrated stunt to prove voter fraud and give him something to parade in front of the media
Biden orchestrated stunt to wind Trump and Rudi up :t
Whatever it was I have not seen an explanation of it. CptTrips, perhaps you can tell us what was going on in that video?
Here is GA full testimony on election irregularities. Fast forward to 33 min. Please watch her entire segment and make your own informed decision.
Republicans in GA have made deals with Democrats and Dominion behind closed doors. As Gman puts it, they have betrayed all of us.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2020, 10:07:32 PM
Here is GA full testimony on election irregularities. Fast forward to 33 min. Please watch her entire segment and make your own informed decision.
Republicans in GA have made deals with Democrats and Dominion behind closed doors. As Gman puts it, they have betrayed all of us.
So there appears to be an irregularity in that they should not have counted without observers as the correct process is to have observers present. That I get and that should not have happened.
However, the fraud allegation has still not been proven. In her testimony she stated that they saw the blonde lady put the table there but did not see how the ballots got under the table, they still had to review the video fully to determine that so that question needs to be answered but they are the same type of box as all the other ballots are in so could have been put there during the period where workers were tidying up at the end of the night.
In her statement she said that approx 18,000 votes could have been scanned during that time period and that that was enough to impact the election result. However in that county the votes cast were 380,000 Biden, 140,000 Trump. So assuming that every single one of the votes scanned in that 2 hour period was for Biden that would still leave Trump with a massive deficit.
I am not sure if they are able to determine who those ballots were in favour of however it would so stupid to put all Biden votes through in that time period as it would be so obvious that something odd was going on.
So sure, they should not have done what they did however that does not prove fraud.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 29, 2020, 11:29:37 PM
So there appears to be an irregularity in that they should not have counted without observers as the correct process is to have observers present. That I get and that should not have happened.
However, the fraud allegation has still not been proven. In her testimony she stated that they saw the blonde lady put the table there but did not see how the ballots got under the table, they still had to review the video fully to determine that so that question needs to be answered but they are the same type of box as all the other ballots are in so could have been put there during the period where workers were tidying up at the end of the night.
In her statement she said that approx 18,000 votes could have been scanned during that time period and that that was enough to impact the election result. However in that county the votes cast were 380,000 Biden, 140,000 Trump. So assuming that every single one of the votes scanned in that 2 hour period was for Biden that would still leave Trump with a massive deficit.
I am not sure if they are able to determine who those ballots were in favour of however it would so stupid to put all Biden votes through in that time period as it would be so obvious that something odd was going on.
So sure, they should not have done what they did however that does not prove fraud.
To poke holes in your analysis:
1. Everything you see those people doing in that video is illegal. 2. She told the majority of counters to leave because they were closing. She did not close.... illegal. 3. She pulled ballots from under a table that she staged there, with ballots in a container that is not how ballots are boxed. Illegal. 4. She and the couple who didn't leave counted those votes over and over again, after telling people votes would no longer be counted. Illegal. 5. This happened late at night with no supervision. Illegal. 6. Only total state vote count matters, not county vote. Biden only "won" GA by a very small margin. Therefore those votes, along with Dominion voting machines fraud with statistical analysis, 5.5 more hours of testimony (that i listened to btw). Gaining 400K votes in a couple of hours all for Biden. Without a doubt prove GA was stolen in the middle of the night.
Saying these people didn't commit malpractice and malfeasance knowingly in this video is clearly going against what you know to be true with your own eyes.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 30, 2020, 01:48:56 AM
Who are these right wing extreamists?
Even Don the Lemon has difficulty showing evidence.
BLM and the white spoilt i am rich Antifa shower are the mechanisms trying to force a false narrative on individuals who are too busy paying their bills.
I believe a man called Spencer is a right wing fanatic who no one took any notice off until the so called liberal media gave him air time...well done Don Lemon
No one heard of Adolf until he got into the mainstream media, funny that.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: NatCigg on December 30, 2020, 03:47:50 AM
5. This happened late at night with no supervision. Illegal.
In michigan, a judge ruled supervision must only be in the building. Does not mention each mail in ballot or in person voter be independently verified. Only promises fair opportunity. So there appear to be a weakness in the system for productivity.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 30, 2020, 07:05:35 AM
Trips says there was no election fraud ...
He has spoken!!!
All bow down or be ridiculed
Hate to tell ya buddy but there was historic cheating
And there are corrupt gov officials who illegally swung this election by rules and processes they implemented for the china covid killer
Many hope it will not spiral into violence but many will not stand for such in your face corruption.
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 30, 2020, 07:28:31 AM
I am ridiculed on a daily basis, i think it is the hat :old:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 08:51:55 AM
Hate to tell ya buddy but there was historic cheating
Then prove it in court, you senile mental midget, or go pound sand.
If there were wide spread historic cheating there should be more than enough evidence that will hold up in court to convince a federal judge and jury.
Rudy has not even CLAIMED acts of voter fraud in the 60 cased he filed.
WHY IS THAT??? IF THERE WAS WIDE SPREAD FRAUD, WHY HASN'T RUDY CLAIMED THAT IN COURT UNDER OATH???????
He talks all kinds of horse sht on the internet or in a state legislation hearing (not under oath), but under oath in front of a federal judge he is a meek little worm that makes no claim on voter fraud.
If they had something they would have put it before a federal judge and jury.
Instead, they just whip up clueless rubes like you on the internet. Useful idiots.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 30, 2020, 09:09:04 AM
Then prove it in court, you senile mental midget, or go pound sand.....
Instead, they just whip up clueless rubes like you on the internet. Useful idiots.
Nice personal attack ..feel better?
Yes there was fraud in this election regardless of what you think
It was not setup by total idiots so it will be hard to prove...the ones on video doing the cheating are another story.
I would like a complete audit and the real vote revealed regardless who won what where
Without it this election will go down in history as the most corrupt in my lifetime
Election fraud is just the tip of gov corruption
You guys realize the depth of this corruption seems so deep as to not find its bottom yet?
But if it gets sleepy creepy joe in you are all for it
How is a treasonous senile corrupt lifetime useless politican better than bad orange man the media hates and thus does not swoon over each time he farts like they did for obama and will for creepy joe and then the witch after they swap him out as planned?
You guys are part of the problem if you do not think this election and its setup corrupt policies should be studied from all angles
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 09:41:36 AM
Yes there was fraud in this election regardless of what you think
It was not setup by total idiots so it will be hard to prove...the ones on video doing the cheating are another story.
Oh yes, the vast sophisticated fraud conspiracy where they just decide to pull out suitcases of forged ballots right in front of CCT cameras they know are recording 24/7.
Or they were smart enough to routinely crack 256 bit encrypted voting systems but weren't smart enough to spread the votes out to not look suspicious?
You are nothing but a grumpy old geezer with onset dementia sitting in a barcalounger in wet depends watching Fux Newz and having a tantrum because the the guy you wanted to win the election, didn't win.
So you and your internet retard friends tell each other fairy tales to sooth your egos, like the Germans telling each other they only lost WWI because the Jews stabbed them in the back, instead of just admitting they just old-fashioned got their azzes kicked.
Jezus Keeerist on a popsicle stick. You make DemonSlayer look smart. Think about that.
Prove this vast conspiracy in a federal court to a federal judge and jury and I will back you. Make ridiculous, ignorant, unproven claims on the internet and I'll just laugh at you, as you so richly deserve.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Spikes on December 30, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
Funny, coming from the guy who called two board members genderless. :)
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 10:02:39 AM
If you dont stand with Trump and America, you stand with Marxist communist technocrat globalist. Its that simple. If you dont want to be called a Marxist communist. Don't act like them and don't defend them. Time to choose sides.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 30, 2020, 10:12:09 AM
If you dont stand with Trump and America, you stand with Marxist communist technocrat globalist. Its that simple. If you dont want to be called a Marxist communist. Don't act like them and don't defend them. Time to choose sides.
False claim. You never sufficiently studied political science. Pandering hyperbole doesn't accomplish what you apparently think.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 10:21:35 AM
Hmmm. Is it actually possible the Pence infact still has a soul? In his black, shriveled heart, is there still a tiny spark of civil duty?
If you dont stand with Trump and America, you stand with Marxist communist technocrat globalist. Its that simple. If you dont want to be called a Marxist communist. Don't act like them and don't defend them. Time to choose sides.
Some parts of this statement sounded like an ultimatum. Remember the cowboy movies.. "You're either with us or you're against us". But it's the "Marxist communist technocrat globalist" that really got me. Can you be one of those by itself; or do you have to be all four; or does being one of them make you into all four of them?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
Some parts of this statement sounded like an ultimatum. Remember the cowboy movies.. "You're either with us or you're against us". But it's the "Marxist communist technocrat globalist" that really got me. Can you be one of those by itself; or do you have to be all four; or does being one of them make you into all four of them?
Sometimes DemonSlayer makes Eagler look smart.
:rofl
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Spikes on December 30, 2020, 10:30:06 AM
But it's the "Marxist communist technocrat globalist" that really got me. Can you be one of those by itself; or do you have to be all four; or does being one of them make you into all four of them?
Yes. :)
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 30, 2020, 10:30:45 AM
Some parts of this statement sounded like an ultimatum. Remember the cowboy movies.. "You're either with us or you're against us". But it's the "Marxist communist technocrat globalist" that really got me. Can you be one of those by itself; or do you have to be all four; or does being one of them make you into all four of them?
What would you consider Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum and partner with the UN and IMF to be?
Why do you deny the Great Reset? Do you think these people are stand up comedians or something? Do you not understand how this will effect you?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 30, 2020, 11:12:00 AM
The lying media and sleepy creepy corrupt joe and his gang want you to believe them over 1000's of hard working Americans who witnessed first hand the election fraud
It looks to me some group wants us to fight among ourselves and it is working
Can you say china?
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 11:20:34 AM
A fun documentary for the whole family.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: morfiend on December 30, 2020, 11:32:05 AM
What would you consider Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum and partner with the UN and IMF to be?
Why do you deny the Great Reset? Do you think these people are stand up comedians or something? Do you not understand how this will effect you?
I would consider Mr. Schwab to be another executive with ideas I may or may not agree with.
What confuses me is why you and your group seem to fear views and opinions that run contrary to your agenda. It often sounds that you see US isolationism as the solution to all your worries.
What is a "great reset"? Do you have to own 90% of your bases?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: LCADolby on December 30, 2020, 11:50:53 AM
As long as I get my T45 Power armour perk and German Shepard before this "great reset" I think I'll be ok with it.
I would consider Mr. Schwab to be another executive with ideas I may or may not agree with.
What confuses me is why you and your group seem to fear views and opinions that run contrary to your agenda. It often sounds that you see US isolationism as the solution to all your worries.
What is a "great reset"? Do you have to own 90% of your bases?
An "Executive"? You mean like a fascist?
So you think this an "idea" and not really what they want to implement with their puppet Biden and Trudeau when they mention "build back better?
This is anti constitutional bud.
Your arguement that I want to America to be isolated because I don't want a anti America great reset is a fallacy.
America gives billions of dollars to countries around the world every year. THATS MY TAX MONEY!
Not yours. How much did Canada and the EU give Sudan? How much did Canada and the EU give Egypt? How much did Canada and the EU give Isreal? How much did Canada and the EU give to Pakistan? Do even know how woman are treated in Pakistan?
I am perfectly fine with international trade, as long as it's fair trade. Trading with slave masters who abuse their population and steal their peoples wealth, is not who I want to trade with. Trading with countries who steal our innovation and copy our patents then sell to us for cheap is not who I want to trade with. This is why I don't like Liberals. You want to use slave trader currency cheaters to trade with, while giving Americans money away while they over regulate and over tax Americans so we cannot compete. Its total horse crap and you know it. Liberals are not moral when they prop up and defend criminal governments in foreign countries taking advantage of their citizens and America.
I fear you do not understand that a globalist enterprise has no right to enact policies on Americans. Especially policies that would put billions of Americans and people around the world in poverty. Your covid bioweapon is the start.
Why do you guys always act stupid when your real agenda gets exposed?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 30, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
In the Cold War there were Marxists in West than in Russia and Easter Europe.
Its easy being a Marxist when you live in a Capitalist Democracy.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
trump speaks, explain that violator
https://youtu.be/Yt86DUXju1k
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 03:40:27 PM
Yes...the president speaks at Davos. No conspiracy there.
Did you even listen to Trumps speech? How can you not like Trump after all of those accomplishments for America? He said 60,000 factories had shut down in the last 2 presidenies.... Trump basically rubbed his achievements in their face by showing how great he has helped America succeed and for the world to use it as a model.
He did not say, "hey let's have a great reset" where we control all of your money. Id suggest you listen to his actual speech. Only an anti American hater would hate that speech.
Good thing they released a bio weapon during a presidential election year to destroy all of his #s and try to put America back into a recession so they could push their reset agenda. Hell, Kraus wrote the book, "the great reset and Covid 19. Sure does make you wonder. Good thing Trump won't let that happen.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 30, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
Yes...the president speaks at Davos. No conspiracy there.
Did you even listen to Trumps speech? How can you not like Trump after all of those accomplishments for America? He said 60,000 factories had shut down in the last 2 presidenies.... Trump basically rubbed his achievements in their face by showing how great he has helped America succeed and for the world to use it as a model.
He did not say, "hey let's have a great reset" where we control all of your money. Id suggest you listen to his actual speech. Only an anti American hater would hate that speech.
Good thing they released a bio weapon during a presidential election year to destroy all of his #s and try to put America back into a recession so they could push their reset agenda. Hell, Kraus wrote the book, "the great reset and Covid 19. Sure does make you wonder. Good thing Trump won't let that happen.
This faith in Trump is at best, weird. I think you should ask him for a job in Trump Enterprises after the 20th.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 04:35:31 PM
Yes...the president speaks at Davos. No conspiracy there.
Did you even listen to Trumps speech? How can you not like Trump after all of those accomplishments for America? He said 60,000 factories had shut down in the last 2 presidenies.... Trump basically rubbed his achievements in their face by showing how great he has helped America succeed and for the world to use it as a model.
He did not say, "hey let's have a great reset" where we control all of your money. Id suggest you listen to his actual speech. Only an anti American hater would hate that speech.
Good thing they released a bio weapon during a presidential election year to destroy all of his #s and try to put America back into a recession so they could push their reset agenda. Hell, Kraus wrote the book, "the great reset and Covid 19. Sure does make you wonder. Good thing Trump won't let that happen.
what Trump claims and what actually happens is two different things. factories have been increasing since 2013. and by the way, most of those factories have less than 5 people.
and just so you know disagreeing with whoever is in government is guaranteed in the constitution, it's called the first amendment. so you are mistaken if you call that un-American or anti american.
you can say it if you wish, just as i can say you are anti american for calling me un-American for exercising my first amendment right to disagree with trump.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 04:50:03 PM
The most beautiful thing will be to watch Trump get his Twitter account pulled.
For years he has been allowed to violate they standards policies. That leeway was granted because he was POTUS and it was considered a necessary comprimise.
January 21st he is just another troll violating their terms of service.
Taking away Donny's Twitter will be like gut-shooting him. I'm going to enjoy watching them do that.
There will be sooooo much whining....but no one will hear.
<SNICKER>
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 05:10:25 PM
what Trump claims and what actually happens is two different things. factories have been increasing since 2013. and by the way, most of those factories have less than 5 people.
and just so you know disagreeing with whoever is in government is guaranteed in the constitution, it's called the first amendment. so you are mistaken if you call that un-American or anti american.
you can say it if you wish, just as i can say you are anti american for calling me un-American for exercising my first amendment right to disagree with trump.
semp
You are basically saying that you don't want America to be successful and prosperous. Without Trump, none of his accomplishments for America would have happened. Therefore you are angry that Trump made America stronger and better.
Not a single one of you have given Trump credit for any of his accomplishment stated in that speech.
That's why I can't stand the left.
Why can't you guys just say you hate America and want a globalist take over and want to destroy our sovereignty and prosperity?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 30, 2020, 05:18:30 PM
You are basically saying that you don't want America to be successful and prosperous. Without Trump, none of his accomplishments for America would have happened. Therefore you are angry that Trump made America stronger and better.
Not a single one of you have given Trump credit for any of his accomplishment stated in that speech.
That's why I can't stand the left.
Why can't you guys just say you hate America and want a globalist take over and want to destroy our sovereignty and prosperity?
I didn't say that. what i said is Trump exaggerate a lot of things. and it's my right to agree or disagree with him.
but my point which you ignored is that calling people antiamerican for disagreeing with Trump is actually un-American.
since you have called yourself a great patriot, perhaps you should read the constitution.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 06:06:23 PM
I didn't say that. what i said is Trump exaggerate a lot of things. and it's my right to agree or disagree with him.
but my point which you ignored is that calling people antiamerican for disagreeing with Trump is actually un-American.
since you have called yourself a great patriot, perhaps you should read the constitution.
semp
You are disagreeing with him without merit. You say he over exaggerates, but the #s prove he did do a lot of really good things for Americans overall. The fact that you nor any other anti trumper can't give him any credit, and constantly attack him every day, leads me to believe that you are mostly manipulated by a corrupt media who hates Trump for exposing their agenda and cover ups. I do believe the way the media has acted since day 1 of Trump coming down the escalator is anti American. I've never seen a more pro American president who expresses his love for America and its citizens more than any other candidate or president in a long time. Ive never seen a president do 5 rallies a day to bring back the American spirit. And all you guys do is crap all over him with the Mainstream media.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2020, 06:28:57 PM
You are disagreeing with him without merit. You say he over exaggerates, but the #s prove he did do a lot of really good things for Americans overall. The fact that you nor any other anti trumper can't give him any credit, and constantly attack him every day, leads me to believe that you are mostly manipulated by a corrupt media who hates Trump for exposing their agenda and cover ups. I do believe the way the media has acted since day 1 of Trump coming down the escalator is anti American. I've never seen a more pro American president who expresses his love for America and its citizens more than any other candidate or president in a long time. Ive never seen a president do 5 rallies a day to bring back the American spirit. And all you guys do is crap all over him with the Mainstream media.
that's your opinion that i disagree without merit.
it's kind of funny because twice I posted and mentioned Trump on purpose. I knew you would concentrate on Trump without paying attention on the rest of my post.
if you had, you would have called me a hypocrite or something along those lines. do I have to explain that to you? or can you figure it out yourself.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 06:44:01 PM
To offer a little assistance to the confused Trumpkins...I'll diagram it for you:
I personally think that most amusing show will begin after he loses Presidential immunity after the 20th. Any prophylactic measures he might try to use such as a self pardon are meaningless relative to civil actions and State charges. A Canadian reporter summed it up well:
It will also be interesting to watch the financial blood letting. It seems that the Trump Organization's largest and long term creditor has had enough and is looking to sell off his indebtedness to another lender.
Now I appreciate the Violator will say that this is a attempt by deep state marxist communists to bring down the greatest man who ever lived (stand aside Jesus); but for me, I'm just going to watch the blood-letting.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 30, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
Remember when Trump got in and there was all that "not my president" nonsense? :D [/] Yeah, that'll excuse anything. Shouldn't you be mainly concerned with how your vote doesn't apply? :aok
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 07:33:28 PM
I personally think that most amusing show will begin after he loses Presidential immunity after the 20th. Any prophylactic measures he might try to use such as a self pardon are meaningless relative to civil actions and State charges. A Canadian reporter summed it up well:
It will also be interesting to watch the financial blood letting. It seems that the Trump Organization's largest and long term creditor has had enough and is looking to sell off his indebtedness to another lender.
Now I appreciate the Violator will say that this is a attempt by deep state marxist communists to bring down the greatest man who ever lived (stand aside Jesus); but for me, I'm just going to watch the blood-letting.
Biden is indicted in Ukraine for corruption so....
Good thing yall don't care about that.
Why are you all such sellouts to your nations? Can you be honest with me and tell me why?
You and semp and Arlo and tripsonacid are all backing globalist technocrats to take down Trump. How are you not the fascist?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 30, 2020, 07:36:39 PM
So why are you supporting a fascist network against Trump?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 07:54:50 PM
I'm just trying to figure yall out. I tell you about a real globalist plot by actual fascist. You won't even mention it.
So you either want a global government. Or you want an American country with other nations who have their own government and culture.
Which one do you want? I know you hate Trump for being a pompous ass. But hes the pompous we need to prevent a global government. Our constitution does not exist in globalism. Do you not even realize what Trump is trying to prevent? Don't you get it?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: TyFoo on December 30, 2020, 07:58:49 PM
Maybe they do not believe what you believe. . . . . .is that wrong?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 08:02:55 PM
Biden is indicted in Ukraine for corruption so....
Good thing yall don't care about that.
Why are you all such sellouts to your nations? Can you be honest with me and tell me why?
You and semp and Arlo and tripsonacid are all backing globalist technocrats to take down Trump. How are you not the fascist?
you really dont research anything do you? or pehaps you think you do. here's the definition of a technocrat.
"Technocracy is a system of governance in which a decision-maker or makers are elected by the population or appointed on the basis of their expertise in a given area of responsibility, particularly with regard to scientific or technical knowledge. This system explicitly contrasts with representative democracy, the notion that elected representatives should be the primary decision-makers in government,[1] though it does not necessarily imply eliminating elected representatives. Decision-makers are selected on the basis of specialized knowledge and performance, rather than political affiliations or parliamentary skills"
now tell me when I got elected? and where can I collect my paycheck.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2020, 08:06:01 PM
Remember when Trump got in and there was all that "not my president" nonsense? :D
ever since the first time i voted for reagan, I have never believed any president is my president. he works for me and all of us, not the other way around.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
that just tells you what I think about your belief in the great reset, the reptilian satanic forces, technocrats, the globalists, the deep state, pizza gate, the lost laptop, q, the fake moon landing, and who really killed 2pac and biggie.
you know the first time I ever heard of most of these are when you posted about them?
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 30, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
I'm just trying to figure yall out. I tell you about a real globalist plot by actual fascist. You won't even mention it.
So you either want a global government. Or you want an American country with other nations who have their own government and culture.
Which one do you want? I know you hate Trump for being a pompous ass. But hes the pompous we need to prevent a global government. Our constitution does not exist in globalism. Do you not even realize what Trump is trying to prevent? Don't you get it?
Violator, I am sorry that in the world you live in there is some evil fascist plot to take over the world. You've told us about it repeatedly. If I understand correctly, you believe that Donald Trump has inside track on this deep movement and in some way, has the power to stop it. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but the rest of us find this sort of far fetched; in simple terms, no one outside your association (is that reasonable? to refer to Qanon as an Association?) believes any of it. You may choose to think the rest of us are living in a fog and that's your right. But I can honestly tell you that you're wasting your breath. After Trump becomes a private citizen again, I hope your disappointment will be assuaged by a new season of the Apprentice.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2020, 08:25:58 PM
violator reminds me of an old yoke I heard back in the 70's.
a member of the politburo (or whatever it was called), went to a farm trying to motivate the collective. he said comrades, I know we dont have enough seed or tractors or water to cultivate but fear nothing, someday we will rule the world. any questions?
in the back of the group and old man raised his hand and asked, when that happens who are we gonna buy grain from?
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 30, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
Violator, I am sorry that in the world you live in there is some evil fascist plot to take over the world. You've told us about it repeatedly. If I understand correctly, you believe that Donald Trump has inside track on this deep movement and in some way, has the power to stop it. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but the rest of us find this sort of far fetched; in simple terms, no one outside your association (is that reasonable? to refer to Qanon as an Association?) believes any of it. You may choose to think the rest of us are living in a fog and that's your right. But I can honestly tell you that you're wasting your breath. After Trump becomes a private citizen again, I hope your disappointment will be assuaged by a new season of the Apprentice.
How can you be so clueless? Do you really want to be like Venezuela? It happened very fast over there.
This one is going to sting. Biden ain't won nothin.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 30, 2020, 09:24:51 PM
How can you be so clueless? Do you really want to be like Venezuela? It happened very fast over there.
This one is going to sting. Biden ain't won nothin.
should be easy to prove if the machine records dont match the paper records. machine prints a paper record and that gets counted as well and compared to the machine.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 30, 2020, 10:27:13 PM
You may choose to think the rest of us are living in a fog and that's your right. But I can honestly tell you that you're wasting your breath. After Trump becomes a private citizen again, I hope your disappointment will be assuaged by a new season of the Apprentice.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
He's like Walter Mitty with a swastika. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 31, 2020, 12:17:44 AM
that just tells you what I think about your belief in the great reset, the reptilian satanic forces, technocrats, the globalists, the deep state, pizza gate, the lost laptop, q, the fake moon landing, and who really killed 2pac and biggie.
you know the first time I ever heard of most of these are when you posted about them?
semp
Violator also believes "pasta" is a code word for molesting and eating children.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 31, 2020, 12:20:29 AM
A great president once said, "Patriotism means to stand with the country. It does not mean to stand with the president”.
Someone is going to have to explain the quote to Violator.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Slash27 on December 31, 2020, 12:28:45 AM
Someone set out some glue traps. This place is infested.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: zack1234 on December 31, 2020, 12:32:37 AM
"P.s do you think ill do better playing dominoes on cheese than on Pasta?" https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/50332
Why is Podesta, Hillary's campaign manager, along with his brother, joining Marina Abromovich in spirit cooking? Very strange. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893
Pretty creepy how the rich and wealthy in Microsoft and Hollywood and government officials love this lady. Is this who you want running our government?
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 31, 2020, 01:24:54 PM
How can you be so clueless? Do you really want to be like Venezuela? It happened very fast over there.
This one is going to sting. Biden ain't won nothin.
was wondering about why this video was not mentioned on any news source, found out why just based on one of the comments. yesterday i thought there's really something wrong happening, today I found I was wrong.
the video is about a poll pad and not a voting machine. a poll pad is used to expedite checking in, it looks up to see if you are a registered voter, it also communicates with other poll pads so you don't get in twice.
so it wasn't in the news because it's not news. I bet all voting places in Georgia have them. and all are communicating with each other.
so the headline on that video is misleading or a lie.
like I said before violator, you are not much of a fact checker.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 31, 2020, 01:34:32 PM
Here is the entire clip
https://youtu.be/KWmPp4lFOCU
Here is another interesting one
https://youtu.be/Elh9coflpVo
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 31, 2020, 02:00:27 PM
you may want to check his credentials. this guy makes trump look like an amateur when it comes to exaggerated claims.
he invented the worst gadget ever.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 31, 2020, 02:26:45 PM
The reason you do not see any of this in the news is because they are bias for the left
Just because it might be inaccurate has not stopped them from repeating russia russia for 4 years when that was all a lie..even televised that hoax for maximum effect.
Again imagine if this was against trump, the left and media would be having a cow and I would be with them.
For me it is not about the 2021 potus it is about the future of the country
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 31, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Relax. :old:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 31, 2020, 03:00:26 PM
The reason you do not see any of this in the news is because they are bias for the left
Just because it might be inaccurate has not stopped them from repeating russia russia for 4 years when that was all a lie..even televised that hoax for maximum effect.
Again imagine if this was against trump, the left and media would be having a cow and I would be with them.
For me it is not about the 2021 potus it is about the future of the country
Eagler
or maybe they didn't report it because it's common knowledge that poll pads do communicate with each other. so no news to report.
had he found out that the voting machines do have internet connection that would be big news.
he's like the other guy who claimed to be a security expert while in the army. the army said he never passed any class and he was sent somewhere else. the hilarious thing is that he claimed he saw somebody use an usb card. an it guy on his first day in class would know the proper terminology.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2020, 03:24:47 PM
or maybe they didn't report it because it's common knowledge that poll pads do communicate with each other. so no news to report.
had he found out that the voting machines do have internet connection that would be big news.
he's like the other guy who claimed to be a security expert while in the army. the army said he never passed any class and he was sent somewhere else. the hilarious thing is that he claimed he saw somebody use an usb card. an it guy on his first day in class would know the proper terminology.
semp
He was able to hack into the system.
That right there is game over.
The proof has already been sent to congress.
It's not in the news because they are covering up corruption by any means necessary so their puppet can win.
You dont mention the colonel they brought in using his statistical analysis in GA and PA. Thats a totally different guy. The media is covering him too, it was hard to find his testimony. Secondly. There are plenty of mathematicians and statistical analysis who know for a fact funny business happened. Their reports cannot be denied. Its mathematical proof.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 31, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
It's not in the news because they are covering up corruption by any means necessary so their puppet can win.
You dont mention the colonel they brought in using his statistical analysis in GA and PA. Thats a totally different guy. The media is covering him too, it was hard to find his testimony. Secondly. There are plenty of mathematicians and statistical analysis who know for a fact funny business happened. Their reports cannot be denied. Its mathematical proof.
Seems easy to prove in federal court then.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 31, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
News no longer interested in news. News at eleven.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Firetech on December 31, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
"P.s do you think ill do better playing dominoes on cheese than on Pasta?" https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/50332
Why is Podesta, Hillary's campaign manager, along with his brother, joining Marina Abromovich in spirit cooking? Very strange. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893
Pretty creepy how the rich and wealthy in Microsoft and Hollywood and government officials love this lady. Is this who you want running our government?
I can't outmatch your ability to post random nonsense from random websites with random meanings. That's because as someone else mentioned I live in the real world with real problems and have real jobs. I'm not someone who cowers behind a keyboard and monitor for hours on end clickbaiting though videos and memes calling it research.
Some advice for you.. figure out a way to make money off all the fear you're peddling to this bunch of video game nerds.
I'll leave this excerpts for you.
“One of the most impressive [and] politically utile things Trump has done from the beginning is get his fans to internalize their support and perceive even a mild rebuke of him [and] his actions as a personal attack on them.” Trump’s unembarrassed embrace of resentment politics made him the messenger of the broken line."
Another one "They see suffering. “‘I’m suffering for you,’ is a profound message,” she said. “Suffering consolidates and strengthens belief. It puts an ism to the word Trump and gives a political project the shape of a religious movement.” Perhaps in part because Trump considers himself godlike, he is absorbing the underlying religious paradigm of voters who are seeking some new creed to explain the broken line and mend it."
and the finish "Since Trump’s political defeat, he and his deputies have asked followers to believe in miracles of escalating fantasy. What began as a simple telegraphed message—that Trump would never accept the results of an election he lost—has become an extravagant mythology, populated with new names and characters: Dominion, Hugo Chavez, international communist plots, illegal ballot dumps, mail-in voter fraud, urban voting irregularities, the Kraken! "
Ok back to work for me. Back to the research for you!
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 31, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
It's not in the news because they are covering up corruption by any means necessary so their puppet can win.
You dont mention the colonel they brought in using his statistical analysis in GA and PA. Thats a totally different guy. The media is covering him too, it was hard to find his testimony. Secondly. There are plenty of mathematicians and statistical analysis who know for a fact funny business happened. Their reports cannot be denied. Its mathematical proof.
what you don't seem to understand is the poll tablet is not connected to the voting machine, also the voting machine prints a paper that voters check then turn in.
the paper votes then are compared to the voting machine if they don't match then paper records are used. so far no discrepancy in comparing paper tallies and voting machines. that should prove no fraud existed.
so far you ignore the evidence that you yourself provide that no fraud was committed.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: hitech on December 31, 2020, 04:21:26 PM
what you don't seem to understand is the poll tablet is not connected to the voting machine, also the voting machine prints a paper that voters check then turn in.
at first I thought this method would be very safe I now no longer do because of the difference that hand marking proves versus being able to print ballots in the same method as the voting machine does.
over the last few weeks I've been giving a lot of thought to different methods of ensuring votes counted correctly. The issue I have not been able to solve is how to be sure extra votes have not been inserted into the system.
able to count total people who have voted. Obviously both parties would be counting.
HiTech
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Slash27 on December 31, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
I can't outmatch your ability to post random nonsense from random websites with random meanings. That's because as someone else mentioned I live in the real world with real problems and have real jobs. I'm not someone who cowers behind a keyboard and monitor for hours on end clickbaiting though videos and memes calling it research.
Some advice for you.. figure out a way to make money off all the fear you're peddling to this bunch of video game nerds.
I'll leave this excerpts for you.
“One of the most impressive [and] politically utile things Trump has done from the beginning is get his fans to internalize their support and perceive even a mild rebuke of him [and] his actions as a personal attack on them.” Trump’s unembarrassed embrace of resentment politics made him the messenger of the broken line."
Another one "They see suffering. “‘I’m suffering for you,’ is a profound message,” she said. “Suffering consolidates and strengthens belief. It puts an ism to the word Trump and gives a political project the shape of a religious movement.” Perhaps in part because Trump considers himself godlike, he is absorbing the underlying religious paradigm of voters who are seeking some new creed to explain the broken line and mend it."
and the finish "Since Trump’s political defeat, he and his deputies have asked followers to believe in miracles of escalating fantasy. What began as a simple telegraphed message—that Trump would never accept the results of an election he lost—has become an extravagant mythology, populated with new names and characters: Dominion, Hugo Chavez, international communist plots, illegal ballot dumps, mail-in voter fraud, urban voting irregularities, the Kraken! "
Ok back to work for me. Back to the research for you!
But ... he's a fantastically successful controller/second banana of a company and all! Must be a conspiracy theory company. :old:
The fact that both of you deny this, and pretend its not true, while mocking me, is why I don't trust the left, your intentions, your ability to think critically, or your party. I enjoy exposing how corrupt and sick in the head your clowns have become. You people are the problem because you attack me rather than attack evil that is 100% undeniable, which our movement is exposing and will take down. Its a shame you deny and support such corruption.
The Whigg party is back in action baby, with the full spirit of Zachary Taylor and the founding fathers.
Too many people already know the truth. The game is over. The American people will rise.
Take it from Jeffrey Prather
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Eagler on December 31, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
Need to go 3rd world and ink our thumbs
Eagler
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Arlo on December 31, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
at first I thought this method would be very safe I now no longer do because of the difference that hand marking proves versus being able to print ballots in the same method as the voting machine does.
over the last few weeks I've been giving a lot of thought to different methods of ensuring votes counted correctly. The issue I have not been able to solve is how to be sure extra votes have not been inserted into the system.
able to count total people who have voted. Obviously both parties would be counting.
HiTech
well the only thing I can think of if people add extra votes is the people themselves. to really affect a national election there would have to be hundreds or even thousands of people. a single person at a voting place can't do it because others would really check. so more than 1 person is needed.
now you would think more than a few would tell others and 1 of them would report that activity. it's human nature to want to tell secrets. makes us feel important and once you tell someone it just gets out, because that other person would talk to another.
ask yourself when somebody asks you not to tell did you kept that promise all the time. or sometimes you felt you had no choice but to tell for whatever reason.
I voted by mail, am I 100% sure my voted was counted? the answer is no, but I have enough trust in the system. if I didn't, I would not have bothered to fill it out and send it in.
semp
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2020, 05:42:58 PM
well the only thing I can think of if people add extra votes is the people themselves. to really affect a national election there would have to be hundreds or even thousands of people. a single person at a voting place can't do it because others would really check. so more than 1 person is needed.
now you would think more than a few would tell others and 1 of them would report that activity. it's human nature to want to tell secrets. makes us feel important and once you tell someone it just gets out, because that other person would talk to another.
ask yourself when somebody asks you not to tell did you kept that promise all the time. or sometimes you felt you had no choice but to tell for whatever reason.
I voted by mail, am I 100% sure my voted was counted? the answer is no, but I have enough trust in the system. if I didn't, I would not have bothered to fill it out and send it in.
semp
Uhhhhhhhh, all of the testimonies are people speaking out against the corruption they saw, on record, with penalty of perjury. Apparently you don't care about actually watching it. People are exposing the fraud. You just don't care to see it for yourself.
If you dont know that your vote was counted. There's your sign.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 31, 2020, 05:44:08 PM
Uhhhhhhhh, all of the testimonies are people speaking out against the corruption they saw, on record, with penalty of perjury. Apparently you don't care about actually watching it. People are exposing the fraud. You just don't care to see it for yourself.
If you dont know that your vote was counted. There's your sign.
Sounds like that would be easy to prove in federal court.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 31, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
Uhhhhhhhh, all of the testimonies are people speaking out against the corruption they saw, on record, with penalty of perjury. Apparently you don't care about actually watching it. People are exposing the fraud. You just don't care to see it for yourself.
If you dont know that your vote was counted. There's your sign.
Back in 1692 "They" had a lot of testimonials in the Salem Witch trials, but that turned out ok. . . . . . .300 years later those executed were eventually exonerated.
In 2017 "They" said Hillary and gang was harboring some kiddies in a Pizzeria in DC, but that turned out ok. . . . the perp found out after he fired his weapon that he may have been mistaken.
Luckily again and again "They" alway seem to know what's really going on and have our best interest in mind.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
Back in 1692 "They" had a lot of testimonials in the Salem Witch trials, but that turned out ok. . . . . . .300 years later those executed were eventually exonerated.
In 2017 "They" said Hillary and gang was harboring some kiddies in a Pizzeria in DC, but that turned out ok. . . . the perp found out after he fired his weapon that he may have been mistaken.
Luckily again and again "They" alway seem to know what's really going on and have our best interest in mind.
Um... you know he was an actor with an IMDB account who shot out the computer hard drive right? All of the street cameras were turned down... How can you be so easily fooled? It's like you pretend no one actually looks deeper into this stuff... I have seen more than I needed to know about comet ping pong and that situation of child abuse on social media that you shouldn't be defending these people or covering for them.
Strange how you all thought Kavanaugh was a college rapist from 40 years with some woman who didn't even know where the hell she was and had no witnesses or coroberation at all. The Democrats didn't even bat an eye at totally disgracing the seat of the Supreme Court. Talk about dividing our country.... What an absolute disgrace. Thats why I am so pissed. We have over a thousand testimonies. You had 0 during 3 years of Russia gate trying to divide this country calling the president a Russian asset FFS. 0.
It's a damned disgrace.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 31, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Um... you know he was an actor with an IMDB account who shot out the computer hard drive right? All of the street cameras were turned down... How can you be so easily fooled? It's like you pretend no one actually looks deeper into this stuff... I have seen more than I needed to know about comet ping pong and that situation of child abuse on social media that you shouldn't be defending these people or covering for them.
Strange how you all thought Kavanaugh was a college rapist from 40 years with some woman who didn't even know where the hell she was and had no witnesses or coroberation at all. The Democrats didn't even bat an eye at totally disgracing the seat of the Supreme Court. Talk about dividing our country.... What an absolute disgrace. Thats why I am so pissed. We have over a thousand testimonies. You had 0 during 3 years of Russia gate. 0.
It's a damned disgrace.
Wow you spend a lot of time being pissed. Oh I think you forgot one r in corroboration but that's not important in your defense of the Empire. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
Wow you spend a lot of time being pissed. Oh I think you forgot one r in corroboration but that's not important in your defense of the Empire. :rolleyes:
Cultural and psychological warfare must be exposed and defeated.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 31, 2020, 08:04:45 PM
Ace's High is the best WWII style combat air sim available online.
WWII is fascinating.
History , in general, is fascinating.
There were a lot of cool toys in our childhood.
Sharing good music here is welcome, even when we differ on what 'good music' means.
We are a community that cares about the well-being of each other and our families.
Everyone deserves a decent life.
A funny joke is one that everyone gets and appreciates without explanation (but there's always one*).
Classic movies are a wonderful escape from reality.
I agree with Arlo! Hallelujah! We don't have to let politics divide us anymore. We have so much more in common.
I dont hate you man, or anyone here, personally I dont even actually know any of you personally. Infact you won't even know we had this discussion in the game. We are all just characters here. I do wish we could have a rational, logical discussion about this. I'm just trying to make a point that many of us are angry... and show why. Saying that our anger is based on things that are made up, is off-putting. I get this so much from the anti trumpers. It's wierd. It's what frustrates me the most about debating yall.
As per Hitechs rule, we will have to shut this convo down (As hard as that might be....)
Regardless,
Y'all have a happy New Year! Best health and wishes to you and your families.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: FESS67 on December 31, 2020, 08:07:27 PM
Um... you know he was an actor with an IMDB account who shot out the computer hard drive right? All of the street cameras were turned down... How can you be so easily fooled? It's like you pretend no one actually looks deeper into this stuff... I have seen more than I needed to know about comet ping pong and that situation of child abuse on social media that you shouldn't be defending these people or covering for them.
Strange how you all thought Kavanaugh was a college rapist from 40 years with some woman who didn't even know where the hell she was and had no witnesses or coroberation at all. The Democrats didn't even bat an eye at totally disgracing the seat of the Supreme Court. Talk about dividing our country.... What an absolute disgrace. Thats why I am so pissed. We have over a thousand testimonies. You had 0 during 3 years of Russia gate trying to divide this country calling the president a Russian asset FFS. 0.
It's a damned disgrace.
Do you like films with Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts? #metoo but I know they are there to entertain me.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: guncrasher on December 31, 2020, 08:13:06 PM
totally agree with you. I've seen what q did to you.
semp
No. That's just genetics.
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: TyFoo on December 31, 2020, 08:22:41 PM
Anger and bickering always reminds me of Daffy Duck, and how "they" always wanted to be right, but somehow Karma (Not Kamala) leveled the playing field. . . or was it Bugs Bunny. . . .lol
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: Busher on December 31, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 31, 2020, 09:04:39 PM
Oh hey, did you guys know that Chief Judge Roberts was really a murderous pedophile? That's weird. Why hasn't the mainstream media reported that??????? Cover up????????
Title: Re: Jan 06
Post by: CptTrips on December 31, 2020, 09:18:56 PM
Oh hey, did you guys hear that Brad Raffensperger, the GA Secretary of State that stabbed Trump in the back, has a brother named Ron that works for a Chinese company?????????????