General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on March 09, 2026, 08:17:19 AM
Title: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 09, 2026, 08:17:19 AM
Wtg!!! :aok :rolleyes: :cry
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 09, 2026, 08:25:14 AM
It will be a 1.50 after we are done with Venezuela and Iran. Just have a lil patience. Gas was 3.50 in my area between 2021-2024 most of the time anyway. Gas was 4.50 under GWB. The scarcity scam is what it is, a scam to maintain high prices.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 09, 2026, 08:53:46 AM
The Special Military Operation seems to be popular with the markets.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 09, 2026, 09:22:53 AM
I'm glad I paid attention to geopolitics and correctly made the decision to buy oil futures mid Feb. It's easy to let oneself get pulled into divisive political bickering but what value does that really have? You convince almost no one and your ability to clearly see the realities in front of you becomes clouded which is costly.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 09, 2026, 09:27:04 AM
I'm glad I paid attention to geopolitics and correctly made the decision to buy oil futures mid Feb. It's easy to let oneself get pulled into divisive political bickering but what value does that really have? You convince almost no one and your ability to clearly see the realities in front of you becomes clouded which is costly.
Why are you bringing up the p word in this thread...
I just pointed out a fact of life..
Glad I guess you are making money from this .. :confused:
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 09, 2026, 09:28:42 AM
I'm glad I paid attention to geopolitics and correctly made the decision to buy oil futures mid Feb. It's easy to let oneself get pulled into divisive political bickering but what value does that really have? You convince almost no one and your ability to clearly see the realities in front of you becomes clouded which is costly.
My eyes aren't clouded.
I started going short as soon as YKW was elected.
It took a while to pay off, but I know a good bet when I see one.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 09, 2026, 10:28:59 AM
Glad I guess you are making money from this .. :confused:
Eagler
Explain to me why anyone should not use knowledge and good judgment to profit from a likely outcome? It was almost certainly going to happen regardless, why not benefit? Is there a benefit from only suffering the downsides?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 09, 2026, 10:43:24 AM
Good or bad, all actions have consequences. Since the issue happens under the P word there is zero escape from the P word. Most your subjects always begin and caused by the P word. Why your post always end up locked.
The prices were caused by a political act, this is doomed. I would bet in vegas on this. You can have your cake and eat it too. This is normally common logic, it won’t take but a few mire post before it gies full blown politics. At what point do you learn this instead of repeating it.
Its foolish to think a political caused act cannot go political.
This will get locked and you’ll try again like a goldfish in a fish bowl. Going political is on you.
Btw, his youngest son just made 40 million iff price increase, hey do not care if prices come down, they profit off your struggle, bigly. Niw they made iver 4 billion from that office while you eat dirt
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Busher on March 09, 2026, 11:17:40 AM
I wouldn't concern yourself daily fluctuations. Nothing goes in a straight line. The real question is, how are things going to look economically between now and the mid-terms. It will daily jitter above and below that trendline. This is not near over. It's going to go on for a long time. The other side gets a vote on if it's over. They can make it hard to do business in the area. The epitaph of every Forever-War was that it was easier to start than finish.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 09, 2026, 04:10:20 PM
Like I said before, price increases are temporary. In the long term we'll see them go down. That is what everyone wants right? Lower gas prices?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 09, 2026, 04:13:17 PM
Sounds like, "troops home by Christmas" talk, but we'll see.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 10, 2026, 07:21:06 AM
Its funny to me that after Venezuela and everything else, that people are still underestimating this guy and his strategies to rid the world of actual dictatorships. You all realize that hes not the only person making these decisions right? Secretary of Treasury is destroying their banking networks and sanctioning every aspect to their regimes. They are going to run out of money. They have lost just about everything. Their troops arent gonna fight when they dont get paid and many will turn on the regime. Cuba is being systematically dismantled right now as well. Its about to go down also.
The oil prices will drop to the lowest ever in decades imo because we will control/manipulate it all.
Stop underestimating the guy and just watch a master at work. Its bound time we finally got a real leader for once in a century..
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 10, 2026, 08:09:54 AM
Interesting how quick gas prices jump up and how slowly they fall...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 09:09:49 AM
Its funny to me that after Venezuela and everything else, that people are still underestimating this guy and his strategies to rid the world of actual dictatorships. You all realize that hes not the only person making these decisions right? Secretary of Treasury is destroying their banking networks and sanctioning every aspect to their regimes. They are going to run out of money. They have lost just about everything. Their troops arent gonna fight when they dont get paid and many will turn on the regime. Cuba is being systematically dismantled right now as well. Its about to go down also.
Did Saddam's regime collapse after the monkey-pounding we gave him in GW1?
Did the Germans bomb England into submission during the Blitz?
I doubt you can change a regime without boots on the ground.
Without boots on the ground the best you could achieve would be to fragment them and turn them into a failed-state region of warlords sitting on the the choke-point of the most important energy route in the world.
But hey, good luck with your Special Military Operation. Pottery Barn Rules.
Oh, next he is going want to lift sanctions on Russia so they can flood the market with blood-oil while he has the Gulf shut down. He had a "perfect" call with Vlad.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 10, 2026, 10:35:12 AM
We are not fighting with the same weapons and same "stratergy" we use to have. We are under a command that is much stronger than they've ever seen before. Weapons that are much stronger. Weapons we are using now that maybe werent allowed to use back then. We arent strangled by bureaucracy this time. We have different leaders in Saudi and Isreal is helping much more this time. Along with the fact that they've attacked all the other middle eastern countries that they are going to cave in on them with us. Isreal can put boots on the ground, along with other middle Eastern nations. You guys have us confused with prior leadership that was all incahoots with a NWO establishment, now we have leadership that isnt corrupted by them and their agenda and we are making power moves that our former beureocracy wouldnt allow. I think youll be quite surprised watching strong leadership in action not bound to the establishment agenda.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 11:29:34 AM
We are not fighting with the same weapons and same "stratergy" we use to have. We are under a command that is much stronger than they've ever seen before. Weapons that are much stronger. Weapons we are using now that maybe werent allowed to use back then. We arent strangled by bureaucracy this time. We have different leaders in Saudi and Isreal is helping much more this time. Along with the fact that they've attacked all the other middle eastern countries that they are going to cave in on them with us. Isreal can put boots on the ground, along with other middle Eastern nations. You guys have us confused with prior leadership that was all incahoots with a NWO establishment, now we have leadership that isnt corrupted by them and their agenda and we are making power moves that our former beureocracy wouldnt allow. I think youll be quite surprised watching strong leadership in action not bound to the establishment agenda.
How would you feel about lifting sanctions on Russia to put more oil in the market while he has the Gulf shut down. Are you OK with that?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: cattb on March 10, 2026, 03:31:07 PM
IRG controls much economy, much of the YKH country. Not going to change the regime without boots on the ground. Blondy be a fool to put boots in the country. If the YKH country was 10 days away from bomb, 2 weeks, wouldn't they have it? Big problem is national debt. I do not see it going down.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: icepac on March 10, 2026, 03:36:40 PM
Ships are now passing through the straight of Hormuz.
Yep. Some are getting through.
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As of March 2026, daily ship traffic through the Strait of Hormuz has plummeted to between 2 and 13 vessels per day. This represents a 94% decline from normal levels due to an ongoing regional conflict and a de facto blockade by Iran.
So I think that should be sufficient we shouldn't even consider lifting sanctions on Russia.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 03:57:00 PM
I like a respect the clarity and logic of most of your points.
I am not sure why you debate with some of these people though. Have you ever changed a brick's mind?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 04:24:32 PM
Seems like some of you are sore it's not $120 a barrel like Eagler said. It's going to fall back to $65 a barrel before long and well on it's way. Don't worry, be happy. It's a lot closer to $65 now than it is to $120.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 04:25:44 PM
I like a respect the clarity and logic of most of your points.
I am not sure why you debate with some of these people though. Have you ever changed a brick's mind?
I'm not debating. I'm just asking questions.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 04:32:33 PM
I've read that many are passing through with their transponders off. So those who track the traffic at a distance do not know how many ships are going through the strait. There is no one left to threaten them. The US will escort if/when needed.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 04:36:13 PM
I've read that many are passing through with their transponders off. So those who track the traffic at a distance do not know how many ships are going through the strait. There is no one left to threaten them. The US will escort if/when needed.
I'm sure China will love for our navy to be tied-up doing crossing-guard duty in the PG when they go for Taiwan next year.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 04:36:51 PM
Money speaks the loudest and is the point of Eagler's thread. Panic drove it up briefly. It's coming back down. It will come down further. Be glad.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 04:37:30 PM
I've read that many are passing through with their transponders off. So those who track the traffic at a distance do not know how many ships are going through the strait. There is no one left to threaten them. The US will escort if/when needed.
Would you be against lifting sanctions on Russia to export to moderate the price of oil?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 04:37:38 PM
I don't think the swings are done swinging myself...I think it's going to go on for a while in one form or another..
Eagler
Do you not believe the current price I showed or do you believe it will go back up and stay there? I think it will fluctuate for a while yet but if the Islamic Republic is deposed it's going to come down and stay.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 05:34:29 PM
Do you not believe the current price I showed or do you believe it will go back up and stay there? I think it will fluctuate for a while yet but if the Islamic Republic is deposed it's going to come down and stay.
Do you think you will change the regime without boots on the ground?
Not just assassinate individuals, but replace the regime with one of your choosing?
Are you confident you can accomplish that with air power alone?
Can you plink them into a parliamentary system? Does it work that way?
Or is regime change still a requirement?
How sad if this was all just an "a liddle excursion". Wag the Dog?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 05:39:59 PM
And the US does have mine sweepers. And the ability to discourage mine laying.
That's good because I thought we had already destroyed their navy so I was confused about how they were laying mines.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 06:01:25 PM
You could lay mines from a row boat. They'll regret it, briefly, if they do.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 10, 2026, 06:07:05 PM
Is it not obvious that a lunatic cult so willing to destroy not only their own people but take as many others with them as they can must not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons? Someone had to stop them.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 10, 2026, 06:30:04 PM
Is it not obvious that a lunatic cult so willing to destroy not only their own people but take as many others with them as they can must not be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons? Someone had to stop them.
So while we're getting these terror-rowboats under control, are you for or against an easing of sanctions on Russian oil exports to increase global supply?
Since we are only facing a few rowboats and building refineries in Texas, is there any believable argument we must lift Russian sanctions to save the world economy? That would be ridiculous, right?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 10, 2026, 09:29:47 PM
I think as Americans we think everything happens in a two week cycle...even a major war..
The middle east has a different mindset and is much more patient..
I think prices are not done going up and down..with it ending up higher than the day the bombing started more often than it is lower..
I think some want record prices to force boots on the ground...
Eagler
I don't see any legit talk of people wanting boots on the ground. The only sources are people who consistently push narratives that are deliberately divisive and derogatory to the US. Do you have any sources other than them that isn't speculation?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 08:38:13 AM
I don't see any legit talk of people wanting boots on the ground. The only sources are people who consistently push narratives that are deliberately divisive and derogatory to the US. Do you have any sources other than them that isn't speculation?
One thing is for certain. Arguments here will influence the outcome of this conflict in no way whatsoever.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 08:44:01 AM
I think some want record prices to force boots on the ground...
Trump already said he doesn't have the "yips" about sending troops into Iran if needed. https://nypost.com/2026/03/02/us-news/trump-wont-rule-out-sending-us-troops-into-iran-if-necessary-tells-the-post-i-dont-care-about-polling/ (https://nypost.com/2026/03/02/us-news/trump-wont-rule-out-sending-us-troops-into-iran-if-necessary-tells-the-post-i-dont-care-about-polling/)
I expect them to start floating the idea of limited troop insertion to seize nuclear material at various sites. That is how it starts. They'll claim it's necessary to keep that material from simply falling into the hands of the nearest terrorist cell who is willing to go did it out of the rubble. Terrorists don't need a fissile device. They can simply grind it up into power and fly it over the Super Bowl with a drone sprinkling all those fans with dirty bomb material. Now it's lying around God knows where unsecured. Of course we need to go in and grab that stuff. We have to to keep America safe.
Those sites are all over a huge country. Only a full scale invasion would allow you to access all those sites securely with heavy equipment. Once you're in, maybe your grandkids will get out.
Oh and until we're finished, we'll need to lift sanctions on Russia to let the world have oil. World's gotta have oil. No choice. WE had a "perfect" call with Vlad. He promises to be good if we lift sanctions. It's either that or drain our Strategic Reserve dry first that was only 58% full to begin with.
So we're golden!
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 08:51:13 AM
We had oil prices hit close to $120 a few years ago. I don't recall hang wringing then like we have here now. Calm down.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 08:53:42 AM
So when prices are down even more then your support will be across the board right?
No, because adults like us can separate a good outcome from the bad means. How you do things matter. Wanting your child to get an A on their Calculus test is a good result. But cheating to get that A would be a bad thing negating the good of getting an A.
Getting a good outcome with bad means is fruit of the poison tree.
I believe Trump acted illegally and unconstitutionally. I think there was no immediate emergency that prevented going to Congress for an Authorization of Force or Declaration of War as the Constitution requires.
I don't think this will be over in two weeks. I think we have been committed to a long term regional war with Iran that may last years.
I think the Founders intended that putting the country on the hook for such a commitment requires the deliberation of our elected representatives in Congress. Not the momentary whim of one guy of questionable judgement who was probably really more interested of getting Epstein files an 13 year old girls off the front page news.
I think a reasonable argument could have been made to Congress. They are crazy and we have been trying for years and you could provide evidence that negotiations are not going to work. Then you get your official Authorization of Force and have a better position to give them a final ultimatum to agree to a new regime of onsite inspectors of our choosing.
Then they know they know they are facing the durable will of the American people and not just one guy the can hunker down and outwait until after the mid-terms.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 09:34:21 AM
I see. Outcomes don't really matter then.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 11, 2026, 09:35:22 AM
One thing is for certain. Arguments here will influence the outcome of this conflict in no way whatsoever.
Not trying to argue. I'm simply pointing out that baseless opinions are well... baseless so there isn't any value in holding them. My question was, is there any valid reason to hold that opinion.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 09:35:44 AM
Good outcomes don't matter when you break the law to get them.
I know you know that.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2026, 09:37:15 AM
Im pretty sure planning and trying to assassinate a president is a means to get blown away. Can't make a vote in congress due to planning purposes and possible information leaks. Trump did alert them 48 hours in advance. Trump is a hero for this.
Oh BTW: The woman who once falsely accused President Trump of raping her at 13 is now facing criminal charges for fraud, theft, and the exploitation of an elderly person.🚨
When you guys gonna understand that Epstein files are all being released BECASUE OF TRUMP. THIS WAS A Q PLAN WRITTEN 9 YEARS AGO... FFS PEOPLE. GET A FREAKING GRIP.
Just absolutely pathetic yall trying to push 50 years of Epstein on Trump.
This is why our media is the enemy of America
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 09:40:09 AM
Can't make a vote in congress due to planning purposes and possible information leaks.
So the Constitution only needs to be followed when it's convenient to do so? I wonder if you will allow President AOC that flexibility? You should always consider what monarchial powers you want your worst enemy to have over you. Because someday there will be another President. Think carefully about the powers you want to hand them.
You do understand that little habits like following the Constitution and Rule of Law are what separate us from the Mullahs, right?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2026, 09:47:14 AM
So the Constitution only needs to be followed when it's convenient to do so? I wonder if you will allow President AOC that flexibility? You should always consider what monarchial powers you want your worst enemy to have over you. Because someday there will be another President. Think carefully about the powers you want to hand them.
You do understand that little habits like following the Constitution and Rule of Law are what separate us from the Mullahs, right?
The difference is they'll be going after regular every day American citicens, not dictatorships who abuse their woman.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 09:56:02 AM
If potato head did this the cheerleaders would be different...
Say goodbye to November and 2028..as this mess will still be going on in one shape or form then..
Oops.. the p word is slipping in..
Eagler
I wouldn't be a cheerleader for this no mater who did it. I find it simpler to keep things straight if I don't have to constantly adjust my morals based on who is in office.
However, I might be cheering it if the proper Constitutional process had been followed.
But if this is has the slightest chance to become a 10 year, 100 bil$, 5k dead American long term effort then we need to have debated that in Congress and I want everyone's vote on paper in ink.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 10:05:41 AM
This was dripping with politics from the first post. Let's stick with the price of oil.
But you didn't answer my question before, if you would support lifting of Russian sanctions to moderate oil prices if the Gulf stays locked up, would you be for that?
For my part, I'm not.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 10:12:49 AM
Don't imagine I have no response to "legalities". I just don't have the points here to address this properly.
In the end, a terrorist regime, which has killed thousands of it's own and others, will be no more.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 11, 2026, 10:16:15 AM
In the end, a terrorist regime, which has killed thousands of it's own and others, will be no more.
Well, they're still there.
You really think we can shape their government with bombing?
Are you OK with boots on the ground to finish the job?
They just changed personnel. The Constitution was violated to buy us an org chart shuffle.
When FDR died that wasn't the end of America. When Stalin died that wasn't the end of the USSR.
If you really want a different regime, it will take boots. How bad you want it?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 10:35:06 AM
Did I mention oil is staying about $85 a barrel now? That's $35 less per barrel than the panic inspired. It'll get better. When the people of Iran dump their dictator and have free elections we may see below $50 barrel. Then you guys will have to find something else to complain about.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 10:40:09 AM
Did I mention oil is staying about $85 a barrel now? That's $35 less per barrel than the panic inspired. It'll get better. When the people of Iran dump their dictator and have free elections we may see below $50 barrel. Then you guys will have to find something else to complain about.
That's a deflection.
If the price gets high enough to cause economic pain, and the Gulf is not fully open for business, would you support the easing of Russian sanctions to put more oil in the system.
Are you OK the the fundamental concept?
Because that suggestion is coming, which is why I think some people are hesitant to express an opinion yet. When the winds are so shifty, its hard not to fall on the wrong side of a talking point if you take a stand too early.
Same with troops on the ground. That suggestion is coming too.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 10:45:26 AM
Deflection? Isn't this thread about the price of oil? It's $85 btw, not $120.
I'm under no obligation to respond to off topic posts. Or on topic for that matter.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 10:47:56 AM
As of March 11, 2026, U.S. gas and oil prices have risen significantly compared to the start of President Trump's second term in January 2025, driven by conflict in the Middle East. The national average for gasoline has surged to roughly $3.58 per gallon, up from just under $3.00 per gallon at the beginning of his term in January 2025.
Gasoline and Oil Price Comparison (Approximate) Commodity Start of 2nd Term (Jan 2025) Today (March 11, 2026) National Avg Gas ~$3.19/gallon ~$3.58/gallon WTI Crude Oil ~$60–$70/barrel (early 2025) ~$85–$90/barrel
Key Trends and Factors: Rapid Surge: Gas prices have jumped approximately 50+ cents a gallon in early March 2026 due to escalating conflict involving Iran. Highest Level: Current gasoline prices are at their highest level under the second Trump administration, exceeding the $3.32 peak reported on March 6, 2026. "Rockets and Feathers": While oil prices fluctuated after briefly soaring to over $115–$120 a barrel in March 2026, retail gas prices have not immediately fallen, following the "rockets and feathers" trend where prices rise quickly but decrease slowly.
Comparison to Promises: The current rise wipes out earlier 2025 progress when prices hovered closer to $3 or lower, notes CNN Business and AAA. Note: Data represents national averages; local prices may vary. The situation is volatile based on the ongoing conflict.
It's going to be worse by Nov.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 10:49:46 AM
Now might be a good time to go short on oil. If you have the nerve. It may go up again before it falls to stay.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 10:52:01 AM
Now might be a good time to go short on oil. If you have the nerve. It may go up again before it falls to stay.
Or you could go long on margin. ;)
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 10:56:24 AM
I don't always agree with Andrew but this is a good article. Comes close to my sentiment but I don't think he will take an off-ramp. This guy will double down on stupid.
The Japanese thought their sneak attack had finished things too. It was just the beginning. Nothing is decided in one attack.
Unless you use nukes. ;)
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 11, 2026, 11:52:19 AM
I think if they thought they could get away with it they would...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 12:08:22 PM
"Iran is exporting more oil through the Strait of Hormuz than before the war, showing it is in control of a strategic waterway that it has closed off to the rest of the region’s oil producers." - WSJ
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Lazerr on March 11, 2026, 02:30:40 PM
"Iran is exporting more oil through the Strait of Hormuz than before the war, showing it is in control of a strategic waterway that it has closed off to the rest of the region’s oil producers." - WSJ
How are they controlling a water way without ships?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 02:37:33 PM
How are they controlling a water way without ships?
Drones. Mines. Apparently some amount have already been laid. Merely the threat of either. It's a narrow gap. A couple of guys with an inflatable zodiac and an RPG can make themselves famous. It turns out tankers full of petroleum are flammable. Weird.
They've already hit 3 tankers.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Lazerr on March 11, 2026, 03:27:56 PM
Drones. Mines. Apparently some amount have already been laid. Merely the threat of either. It's a narrow gap. A couple of guys with an inflatable zodiac and an RPG can make themselves famous. It turns out tankers full of petroleum are flammable. Weird.
They've already hit 3 tankers.
Wouldn't simple common sonar be able to find these mines?
Smart thing to do would be try to blockade it a little and regulate who passes.. its only 30 miles wide.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 03:45:08 PM
Wouldn't simple common sonar be able to find these mines?
Smart thing to do would be try to blockade it a little and regulate who passes.. its only 30 miles wide.
I dunno, but they better do something quick.
Market needs about 100-130 ships through there a day for normal flow.
"Traffic through the strait of Hormuz remains minimal, with just two crude and product tankers sailing through today and only one making the transit the day before, compared with a historical average of 138 ships per day." https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news-and-insights/latest-market-news/2799728-traffic-through-hormuz-remains-minimal (https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news-and-insights/latest-market-news/2799728-traffic-through-hormuz-remains-minimal)
Don't know why this wasn't foreseen and planned for. Did anyone NOT think they would close the Straight?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Busher on March 11, 2026, 04:49:08 PM
Market needs about 100-130 ships through there a day for normal flow.
"Traffic through the strait of Hormuz remains minimal, with just two crude and product tankers sailing through today and only one making the transit the day before, compared with a historical average of 138 ships per day." https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news-and-insights/latest-market-news/2799728-traffic-through-hormuz-remains-minimal (https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news-and-insights/latest-market-news/2799728-traffic-through-hormuz-remains-minimal)
Don't know why this wasn't foreseen and planned for. Did anyone NOT think they would close the Straight?
Foresight and thought from YKW. Do I detect a note of sarcasm?
I think he also said that it's almost over. Horrendous damage has obviously been done but I wonder how you defeat an idea. To loosely plagiarize a name from history, I believe we have awakened a formidable enemy and filled him with a terrible resolve.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 11, 2026, 05:02:33 PM
waaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 11, 2026, 05:16:04 PM
They knew it wasn't likely to work a week before they pulled the trigger.
The regime isn't going anywhere without boots.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 12, 2026, 06:57:52 AM
Over $90 this morning with even more tankers ablaze...
Anyone else concerned he's going to use our oil reserves to temporarily lower gas prices while in the middle of a major war...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 12, 2026, 07:28:51 AM
waaaaaa
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 12, 2026, 08:03:11 AM
The US now providing shipping insurance :headscratch:
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 12, 2026, 09:05:03 AM
The US now providing shipping insurance :headscratch:
"If you like your shipper, you can keep your shipper." ;)
It won't help.
Turns out people don't like getting blown up and burned alive coated in petroleum product, even if you promise to compensate them. Weird.
The regime is still firmly in place and able to project it's power into the Straight. Those drone can be built in peoples garages from plywood and bag of components and launched within minutes from the back of a civilian van. They will distribute drone manufacture in a cottage-industry the way the NV did with weapons manufacturing. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/12/strait-of-hormuz-closure-iran-oil-prices-mojtaba-khamenei.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/12/strait-of-hormuz-closure-iran-oil-prices-mojtaba-khamenei.html)
The leadership will be down in hidden caves or embedded in populated areas and moving nightly. You'd have to terror-bomb half the cities in Iran to get them. Collateral damage would be more than just one girl's school.
you want to protect the straight, the minimum would be a coastal invasion fan out and permanently occupy a 10 mile strip along the coast and depopulate it and hold in like a permanent Gaza Strip. I don't want to buy off on that commitment.
If you want to do the job right, and not just make a mess and have them hunker down and out-wait you, it is going to take a full scale invasion to hunt down the leadership and pull them out of spider-holes one by one like we did Saddam. Anything less and the regimes will stay in power. Beaten and bloody, but still firmly in power.
But that is a 500k troop commitment and we'd be there 10 years nation building. Iran is over 3 times the size of Iraq. The regime is unpopular but not 100% hated. There are probably 50 mil of that population that see us as enemy invaders. That's a lot of snipers and IED waiting.
You might make the argument that is better than an eventual nuclear holocaust. OK, then make that argument in Congress and persuade. If our country is going to be committed to a project of that scale, our elected representatives need the opportunity to deliberate this issue openly on the floor and take an open vote.
Don't just sleep-walk your way into another Iraq\Afghanistan step by ill-considered step. If we go into this we need to all agree how far we are willing to go and how much blood and treasure are we willing to pour into the effort. Now is the time to debate that. Well two weeks ago was the time, but that horse is out of the barn.
Crude is up 52% since the start of the Special Military Operation. If the straight isn't open and safe in a couple of weeks that is going to $120.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 12, 2026, 09:19:38 AM
Whoa, this is a political thread about your TDS? I thought it was you whining about oil costing $120 a barrel.
Over $93 and climbing..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Busher on March 12, 2026, 12:50:45 PM
TDS be damned. I still would like to know why this happened and why the repercussions to the entire world were clearly not considered beforehand. Did some moron think Iran would start crying and then promise to be good?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 12, 2026, 12:52:03 PM
I think there is a legitimate case for military action against Iran. For all the obvious reasons.
I understand that a sneak attack gives you a momentary tactical advantage. But wars are won more on strategy that tactics.
In the end the minor advantage we gained is obviously pointless since the regime is still in control and projecting power into the straight. That wasn't worth the strategic damage it did to the cause.
The more intelligent approach would have been to have followed the Constitutional process and made a case in Congress and get a vote. No one wants Iran to have a bomb and it is increasingly hard to argue another 10 years of negotiation is going to make a difference.
Let it be argued and get a vote. Then give them a 72 hour ultimatum to agree to unlimited onsite inspectors of our choice. If that fails you have authorization to attack. It's all legal, Constitutional, and far more durable than one mans whim.
It doesn't matter if they know if we are coming or not. 1. You can put your finger anywhere on the globe and our military can destroy it. 2. We tried the sneak attack, obviously that wouldn't have mattered.
[Edit] Republicans control both chambers and an Authorization of Force only requires a simple majority.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 12, 2026, 01:25:44 PM
GW1 is how you do it. The one tragic mistake they made is thinking they could get regime change in Iraq without having to go in with boots. That never works.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 12, 2026, 02:09:39 PM
40,000 Iranians were slaughtered recently by their conquerors when they rose up. We just made it a lot easier for them. If they don't take back what's theirs we can at least ensure they won't be a nuclear or otherwise threat for a long time.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 12, 2026, 02:19:06 PM
They still have 11 kilograms of nuke grade material. All the need us a rocket and igniter. They can bypass it all as dirty bombs
No ine is in the clear.
Regime still in place, they still have nuke grade material.
Convincing a closed mind is fubar.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Lazerr on March 12, 2026, 03:03:48 PM
The navy won't be ready to escort tankers until the end of the month? Are you serious?
And even if the navy can get some tankers through the straight, what percentage of ships will make it? and what will be an acceptable loss, including navy ships? and will civilian ships even attempt the crossing?
The statement that Iran had to be prevented from getting nuclear weapons ranks about the same level as claiming that the Iranian people needed protection from a despotic government. This is the biggest goatf**k that YKW has ever excreted.
But at least the news isn't fulltime on Jeff E.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 12, 2026, 04:32:59 PM
Again, YKW , gamily and admin invested in oil markets and are raking in profits over higher market prices. Does snyone think the greedy care if they drop again? Actually they do, they won’t make as much profit if they do.
FACT
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 12, 2026, 05:36:35 PM
What a clown show.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 12, 2026, 07:13:06 PM
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 08:07:35 AM
Hang on guys. We've been worrying about nothing. I talked to Pete. He said he knows the straight is closed, and we don't have to worry about it. So there. We don't have to worry about it. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/13/iran-war-strait-of-hormuz-hegseth.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/13/iran-war-strait-of-hormuz-hegseth.html) (https://www.m9.news/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/hormuz-tanker-attack.jpg)
Maybe he meant the world has plenty of Russian oil and he happens to know a 4ft Russian who has some for sale...if we get rid of some pesky sanctions.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 08:36:00 AM
You of course should never rely on one source. Here is a decent aggregator to add to your mix:
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 08:49:55 AM
My guess is gas will be over $4\gal at the mid-term.
That will be interesting.
You can make fun of me if I'm wrong. ;)
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 13, 2026, 08:59:28 AM
Doesn't matter if gas is $2 a gallon...his irresponsible/crazy actions has chased every independent away from him and guaranteed democrat victories for at least the next 4 years...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 09:03:45 AM
So basically we just gave Putin permission to fund his Special Military Operation with
100 million barrels of oil.
"The U.S. has issued a 30-day waiver for roughly 100 to 124 million barrels of Russian oil stranded at sea. At recent prices of approximately $76–$90 per barrel, this amounts to roughly $7.6 billion to over $11 billion in value. The waiver allows for the sale of this oil to stabilize global markets amid the Iran war."
We just gave Putin a 10 billion dollar Go-Fund-Me.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: icepac on March 13, 2026, 09:21:25 AM
"On March 19, 2020, President Donald Trump directed the Department of Energy to fill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to maximum capacity, when oil was priced at $24 per barrel. This directive was given to help support domestic oil producers given the impending economic collapse from COVID-19 and extreme drops in international oil markets.[30][31] However, funding was blocked by Congress, with Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer stating that Democrats had blocked a "bailout for big oil"."
"On March 31, 2022, President Joe Biden announced that his administration would release 1 million barrels of oil per day from the reserve for the next 180 days, selling it at an average price of $96 per barrel. The 2022 release became the largest ever SPR sale and lowered the SPR to its lowest levels in 40 years.[10] After oil prices declined during the second half of the year, in December the administration announced it would begin replenishing the SPR in early 2023, expecting to purchase oil at a lower price than it was sold, a process that would take months or years to complete.[11][12][13] The Biden administration continued to release reserves in 2023, selling off 45% of the SPR by September 2023.[14] The Department of Energy unveiled plans to purchase oil at a price of $79 per barrel or less, but has since purchased oil at higher prices. As of April 2024, further purchases were cancelled due to rising oil prices."
According to legislation already in place, the amount of oil in the reserve could fall to 238 million barrels by 2028.[16] This will be a 67% reduction to the oil in the reservoir since 2010."
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 09:37:08 AM
I wonder what Putin is going to do with his 10 billion dollar gift-card.
You think he will use it for humanitarian relief around the world?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 13, 2026, 10:04:01 AM
Makes as much sense as starting the conflict in the 1st place for the bs reasons given..
Eagler
I think this kind of needed to happen. Do i think its going to fix the problem long term, probably not.
I wish there was a plan in place to erase these radicals for good, but most of them are hiding. I would support boots on the ground from joint forces if it was likely to erase these savages. Not sure if there is Intel there support that action. If it was possible to pull it off, it would be a huge accomplishment for peace in that region.
Did they need to be cut down a limb or two in terms of offensive capabilities, wrapped with bad intent.. yes.
The consequences of ignoring these threats could and likely would be much greater to us, and many others than high gas prices had we let it slide much longer.
Neither situation is ideal.. but we have to live with it at this point, and hope for the best outcome possible.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 13, 2026, 01:46:57 PM
47 years overdue.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2026, 02:10:56 PM
The problem is not that something had to be done. It’s the lack of foresight and planning that they went after it like a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.
There was no regime change The people don’t have the weapons to take it back And no end game makes it a mess. Our firmer insulted allies will only help when it affects them durectly, they want to help this admin zero.. Telling us nit to believe what we see, hear and experience makes it a puddle of vomit. And thats based on just what we know now.
Thinking this would not cause oil issues is amateur at best.
Just the first days cost 11 billion and hurt weapon stock and still same regime that still owns 11 kilograms of nuke grade
Iran live in they didn’t lose because they survived.
I think when 10 yrs from now historians may view he implementation was very short sighted.
In the end we only bought time, not much was actually accomplished, yet
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Lazerr on March 13, 2026, 02:35:26 PM
The problem is not that something had to be done. It’s the lack of foresight and planning that they went after it like a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.
There was no regime change The people don’t have the weapons to take it back And no end game makes it a mess. Our firmer insulted allies will only help when it affects them durectly, they want to help this admin zero.. Telling us nit to believe what we see, hear and experience makes it a puddle of vomit. And thats based on just what we know now.
Thinking this would not cause oil issues is amateur at best.
Just the first days cost 11 billion and hurt weapon stock and still same regime that still owns 11 kilograms of nuke grade
Iran live in they didn’t lose because they survived.
I think when 10 yrs from now historians may view he implementation was very short sighted.
In the end we only bought time, not much was actually accomplished, yet
I think we need to make life tough for them, and they will fight for freedom.
It's a better alternative than what happened in Japan.
I hope it doesn't balloon in something bigger.
I think is was scalpel sharp the initial and subsequent strikes took out the people they did.
If you keep chopping these guys down, it will make it easier for peace to reign.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 02:50:31 PM
Except we are now funding Putin's SMO to the tune of 10 billion dollars.
I'm curious if this was part of the plan from the start. Start a war, close the Straight, lift Russian sanctions.
It was either planned or events are moving beyond their control and this is a panicked reaction.
We are now paying for Putin's army.
Either one needs explaining.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2026, 03:05:40 PM
I think this kind of needed to happen. Do i think its going to fix the problem long term, probably not.
I wish there was a plan in place to erase these radicals for good, but most of them are hiding. I would support boots on the ground from joint forces if it was likely to erase these savages. Not sure if there is Intel there support that action. If it was possible to pull it off, it would be a huge accomplishment for peace in that region.
Did they need to be cut down a limb or two in terms of offensive capabilities, wrapped with bad intent.. yes.
The consequences of ignoring these threats could and likely would be much greater to us, and many others than high gas prices had we let it slide much longer.
Neither situation is ideal.. but we have to live with it at this point, and hope for the best outcome possible.
An idea cannot be killed by eliminating people. Their society has no concept of a free democracy. They don't understand the concept They tried a brief smattering of democracy in 1906 and again from 1951 to 1953 before a CIA-backed coup.
As to boots on the ground... yours? your children? Approximately 3 million American military personnel served in Vietnam during the conflict. Involvement peaked in April 1969 with over 543,000 personnel stationed there.... 58,000 perished, countless maimed for life. So maybe you could estimate an acceptable level of loss because YKW wanted 1: to make sure they never got nukes? 2: to remove a leader who killed his own people? 3: to drive up the value of his oil shares? 4: to get Jeff E. off the front page of the NYT? Far too many very intelligent analysts are scratching their heads why the only solution he would use was military.
Seems we learned little from 20 years in southeast Asia.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 04:40:51 PM
An idea cannot be killed by eliminating people. Their society has no concept of a free democracy. They don't understand the concept They tried a brief smattering of democracy in 1906 and again from 1951 to 1953 before a CIA-backed coup.
Well, also this is not and never was going to be like toppling a corrupt South American jungle junta.
These guys are nuts, but they have a whole difference sense of national identity and resilience.
These guys use to run the Persian Empire. This is not some equatorial backwater just as happy to take our bribes as any other.
This is not going to be quick or easy in my opinion.
Didn't the NVA teach us we can win every battle but still lose the war?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 13, 2026, 04:44:47 PM
We let Iran terrorize the region for decades. Let's give this liberation and cleanup more than a couple of weeks before we start the hand wringing maybe.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 13, 2026, 05:07:00 PM
Just trying to help you guys out. You will wait and see whether you want to or not. Might as well hope for the best like me. And that would be the millions who marched in protest of their oppressive government do so again and aren't slaughtered this time but rather successful.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 05:12:33 PM
We let Iran terrorize the region for decades. Let's give this liberation and cleanup more than a couple of weeks before we start the hand wringing maybe.
OK, but how do we recognize victory?
If this ends up: 1. We blew up their weapons (except for the ones currently mining the Straight) 2. Same regime, different faces stays in power 3. We make Putin rich selling his oil in the oil crisis we started
IF that's how it ends up, is that success? Is freeing the Iranian people a hard requirement?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Lazerr on March 13, 2026, 05:20:55 PM
An idea cannot be killed by eliminating people. Their society has no concept of a free democracy. They don't understand the concept They tried a brief smattering of democracy in 1906 and again from 1951 to 1953 before a CIA-backed coup.
As to boots on the ground... yours? your children? Approximately 3 million American military personnel served in Vietnam during the conflict. Involvement peaked in April 1969 with over 543,000 personnel stationed there.... 58,000 perished, countless maimed for life. So maybe you could estimate an acceptable level of loss because YKW wanted 1: to make sure they never got nukes? 2: to remove a leader who killed his own people? 3: to drive up the value of his oil shares? 4: to get Jeff E. off the front page of the NYT? Far too many very intelligent analysts are scratching their heads why the only solution he would use was military.
Seems we learned little from 20 years in southeast Asia.
My father served in Vietnam..
He also backs our current "operation"
Sometimes the best choices aren't the easiest.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2026, 06:33:05 PM
Who and how they are implemented matters. Their selling point is not working, in fact its horrific. Only about 27% support it.
Asking 73% to just fold hands snd wait against their own instincts is spinning wheels in mud.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 13, 2026, 06:39:50 PM
If we couldn't remove the backwards Taliban from Afghanistan after 20 years not sure how we think we can remove the Iranian leadership at all..regardless how long we try to...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 13, 2026, 06:57:34 PM
If we couldn't remove the backwards Taliban from Afghanistan after 20 years not sure how we think we can remove the Iranian leadership at all..regardless how long we try to...
Eagler
It's not clear it's a requirement.
I suspect as soon as he get's Putin's sanctions removed he will declare success and leave the mess hanging for you grandchildren to clean up.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Lazerr on March 13, 2026, 07:08:37 PM
If we couldn't remove the backwards Taliban from Afghanistan after 20 years not sure how we think we can remove the Iranian leadership at all..regardless how long we try to...
Eagler
Warfare and intelligence improves over time.. ill leave politics out of it.
Cuba is next for things for you guys to guys to rant about.
I'll probably bow out of this topic, and we can revisit it when gas is cheap, and global threats are largely minimal.
Thanks for keeping this calm and able to be discussed.
We dont all use the same eyes to view things.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Oldman731 on March 13, 2026, 10:44:31 PM
Thanks to him. Others on these boards were there as well. Tough time to serve the country.
Looks like the Marines may be headed to Kharg Island. Khe Sanh could be a good omen, Dien Bien Phu a bad one.
Far too early to tell how this will turn out. At this point, some decades ago, it looked like Montgomery was going to lose El Alemein.
And I generally agree with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E-v5yDBR64
- oldman
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Busher on March 13, 2026, 11:11:51 PM
Conflicting reports of numbers. Some news says 2500 and other say 5000 marines heading to Iran.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2026, 11:52:56 PM
I think it's bad to compare Nam to Iran, that's some scary stuff, Nam DID NOT go well, nor end well, Nor did Korea.
My family has been here since 1732, before it was USA, served every single war since,....except for my Marine nephew 3 tours of Iraq, none of those living agree with the way it's being done.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wouldn't agree something needed to happen, but the way this is handled is vomit worthy. This just isn't the right team to be doing this. They are inept. They are fumbling and lying their butts off. So did Nixon and LBJ.
Iran will try to bring that 11 kilograms here, probably as dirty bombs, my cracked crystal ball says so.
How many reasons did we get for doing this,.. 6 in one week. This is way above their heads.
I will agree with Iron,...ya gotta have hope because there is no other real choice. We said the same about Nam and Korea. Like it or not,, Afgan and Iraq wasn't exactly a clean win either. As Trips sad, win the battle but lose the war. Like BinLaden, you have to look 10-20 yrs down the line.... these ME religious cults never forget and always want revenge, usually in terrorism. Our inner defense and security has been mash and gutted by this admin,.. we are weaker than we've been in many decades. As for BIO terrorism that would happen on the west coast. And guess what, our HHS has been turned into a horrific joke. FBI and HLS has been turned into deportation geeks instead of doing their normal job, tracking terrorism. More than 7,000 employees have been fired or left DOJ due to incompetence and illegal orders. The head of DOD is a complete incompetent child, he resembles a teenager. If he were a real warrior he claims he would have joined the Marines, no NG hoping to brag about military yet never sent to war....the guy snapped and bawled when he got sent anyway. He's a child. We are setup for the perfect storm. And I'll refr back to Tris comments about Russia,... this has the scent of pre-planned.
So wishing for the best is all we really have.
This admin will be tried in International Law, it's an illegal war
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 13, 2026, 11:57:14 PM
That count is almost laughable. Ya need more like 100k+.
How many are needed, how many are going, and what they're going for, is information nobody here has the even the most remote access to.
I have no doubt the level of Information Warfare we are currently engaged in would send more than a few folks over the edge if they had a clue. Without fail, every BS detail that is publicly released (by just about anyone) is snatched up and waved around to a) chase support for their personal cause and/or b) chase clout.
Just remember, they all think we're stupid.... so far, we do not disappoint. :salute
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 14, 2026, 05:33:15 AM
How many are needed, how many are going, and what they're going for, is information nobody here has the even the most remote access to.
I have no doubt the level of Information Warfare we are currently engaged in would send more than a few folks over the edge if they had a clue. Without fail, every BS detail that is publicly released (by just about anyone) is snatched up and waved around to a) chase support for their personal cause and/or b) chase clout.
Just remember, they all think we're stupid.... so far, we do not disappoint. :salute
Pretty much spot on. People latch on to their teams narratives and go forth and fight on the internet instead of taking all information with a grain of salt and having informed conversations with other people doing the same thing. Gone are the days of based and functional members of society acting in good faith.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 14, 2026, 07:35:24 AM
But in hindsight does he agree that we should have even been in Vietnam at all...
The fact we are being sucked into another endless conflict by this military administration that won the election by stating that it was going to be just the opposite and end the existing wars is horrific imo...
We have entered another one for all the wrong reasons and without a clear exit plan...timing with other things makes it highly suspicious imo..
Those that are cheering for this ..would you be ok if your son or daughter eats a drone for the morons who and why they started this unfolding disaster..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 14, 2026, 08:15:47 AM
"Nevermind that the Pentagon said today that the war cost $11.3 billion in the first six days. As mind-numbing as that number is, it’s not surprising given the blank check this administration allocates to defense.
Let’s take a look at his claim that “we make a lot of money” because of high gas prices. Experts say that this is a short term windfall for your ExxonMobils, your Chevrons, your Shells. All oil producers that don’t rely on supplies from the Middle East.
But there’s another layer here. Each of those companies gave at least a half million dollars to Trump’s inaugural committee. And oil and gas interests donated $75 million to Trump’s 2024 election campaign.
That’s the quid.
Now, last week, Qatar - the largest supplier of natural gas in the world - shut down production due to military attacks on its facilities. With supply constrained, oil prices skyrocketed. And once those facilities are down, they take weeks to come back online. Experts say that if they stay offline into the summer, those US oil companies stand to gain $20 billion more in profit every week.
Let’s take a look at his claim that “we make a lot of money” because of high gas prices. Experts say that this is a short term windfall for your ExxonMobils, your Chevrons, your Shells. All oil producers that don’t rely on supplies from the Middle East.
Not to mention the money Putin is making off this.
It boggles my mind that we intentionally created the greatest petroleum disruption in history, jack prices up to panic levels (but it' going to get so much worse), then decide now is the time we need to let Putin sell 100 MILLION barrels illegal blood-oil at an artificially high price to fund his SMO.
We are now actively funding Putin's invasion of Europe.
Make Putin Great Again.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 14, 2026, 09:41:29 AM
There are two reasons this was not taken through the proper Constitutional pathway:
1. He thinks he is a King. But he is not alone. The executives always think they are Kings and we always have to be pushing back on that and further restraining them. It is what the Founders wanted. They wanted no Kings.
2. They know their plan and arguments would be laughed at in open debate. The reason the Founders wanted questions of war openly deliberated is because in a top-down organization like the executive the yes-men rise to power and no one tells the boss his idea is crap. Everyone just salutes. But before we get committed to a war that might last longer than some here will see the end of, you should have to explain things to the people's elected representatives and they should vote.
If we had done that we could have had interesting discussions on why they don't think Iran will close the Strait, or their plan is to make up the difference by lifting sanctions on Russia. That is what he didn't want to have to explain to people who get a vote on the matter.
No, we didn't NEED that sneak attack. It did nothing as we can see. They've spent 47 years designing their system to be decapitation-proof. You're just wasting ammo going after individuals.
I would have liked to see the open debate in Congress on how the plan was to allow Putin to sell 11 BILLION dollars worth of sanctioned oil to fund his war machine and that is how they planed to moderate oil prices while the Strait of Hormuz is closed off. Those arguments should have been recorded in ink for history.
Who knows, if they knew they had to face the crucible of open debate, that may have forced them to come up with a better plan.
The Founders considered that a feature, not a bug.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 14, 2026, 09:58:56 AM
How many are needed, how many are going, and what they're going for, is information nobody here has the even the most remote access to.
I have no doubt the level of Information Warfare we are currently engaged in would send more than a few folks over the edge if they had a clue. Without fail, every BS detail that is publicly released (by just about anyone) is snatched up and waved around to a) chase support for their personal cause and/or b) chase clout.
Just remember, they all think we're stupid.... so far, we do not disappoint. :salute
My opinion is based on the initial “plan” to change regimes. Of course we’ve been pelted with several different goals, I picked the obvious and extreme. It’s a large country with deep beleifs they aren’t willing to give up.
I’m just a common Joe with an opinion based on what we are told.
I have no “team”, it’s purely my own opinion. Both sides are stupid in their own way.
You have the experience and would have a more accurate perception.
But we haven’t succeeded actual regime changes. We clip the wings of chicken but never actually take the head off and eat it. Both regime change attempts are pure failures.
The way this is done is illegal in our country and international law. A lot of the world is going to turn harshly on this admin. Most are fed up with their nonsense.
This regime is not going to change out of fear of our “leader” like he/they seem to think. We have low IQ suits calling the shots on a situation that requires high intelligence. Even then its a gamble. Our DOD is run by a child intellect taking orders from a low IQ idiot
We just rewarded our enemy who is friends and helping our enemy. Our “former” allies are so psssed off they won’t help unless they have to.
Top it off, after bombing the school the people we say we’re trying to help are turning on us.
I think we could do it with less than I said IF those people had weapons, they don’t. We’d have to be the full force, IMO.
A European intel says 200+ American troops are dead, not 10.
Much like WMDs, no proof has been shown to justify this. Now we hear “gut feelings” of an idiot. Even if we pull out, I have high doubts Israel would. They get way out of control.
We have two keaders with very low approval ratings running this quagmire.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 14, 2026, 10:12:36 AM
Key Principles of the Powell Doctrine:
Last Resort: Military force should only be used after all non-violent policy means (diplomacy, economic pressure) have been exhausted.
Clear Objectives: The mission must be clearly defined, attainable, and hold a direct connection to national security interests.
Overwhelming Force: When engaged in war, all resources should be used to achieve victory swiftly, minimizing casualties and avoiding protracted, indecisive struggles.
Exit Strategy: A clear strategy for withdrawing troops must exist to avoid endless entanglement.
Public/International Support: The action should have strong support from the American people and congress, along with broad international support.
I'm still waiting to here what our clear and measurable exit conditions are.
The main thing we learned from Vietnam was that no defined exit conditions lead to mission creep and Forever-War.
Where is the feasible off-ramp here? What does victory look like?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 14, 2026, 10:37:50 AM
Here is another possible nightmare unintended consequence that I'd like to know if it was considered.
"The GCC states (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc.) are highly reliant due to a lack of natural fresh water"
Everyone is so focused on burning tankers that the attacks on desalination plants went under analyzed.
There has been some tit-for-tat attacks but not full-scale targeting. I think nations are sending signals about what targets they can hit if they wish.
Here is the difference:
Iran uses desalination and it would be an annoyance for them to lose that augmentation. But they have plenty of ground water to pipe around.
For Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, etc, if Iran pounds their desalination plants, that is existential. The current populations of those nations could NOT be supported while the plants are rebuilt (years?). There is no way you could sustain shipping in water for those millions.
There would have to be widespread de-population and de-civilization of globally economically critical region for years. Not to mention a displacement of humans on a biblical scale. And I guess we have to let those refugees come here because...
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 14, 2026, 10:45:44 AM
Tell me the plan wasn't to allow Putin to sell oil.
THIS is why you need Congressional deliberation.
He needed to have told Congress he didn't think they would close the Strait. They needed to have deliberated if that was a rational belief.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 14, 2026, 11:13:14 AM
How hard will it be for troops on the ground?
The religious devotion is so thick that they are given little training. However a 1980s study showed they are more than willing, anxious, to give their life for their religion.
In the 80s Iran had few tanks, so they used human mine sweepers. They would send troops out to trigger mines to clear the path and those troops were mire than willing to do it, thats their gate to heaven to give their lives.
IMO, anyone who thinks that will be a cake walk is vasty uninformed if the dedication to religion.
These people have been getting revenge for things that happened 1000s of years ago. Do we think an ego drunk rich white glove has a grasp on this?
Because of the kids being killed, now those people winder if we’re against the leaders or all Iranians. Thats a dangerous place to be in the ground.
Again, because of many negative selfish actions the rest of the world (our allies) are seriously pissed off at us. Which puts us in an even worse situation.
Yep, something had to be done. But the lead-up and implementation has great chance to be a train wreck.
Reality can be very harsh.
As I often say, I would/will love to be totally wrong. That would be a great thing.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 14, 2026, 05:32:24 PM
We are the Great Satan..they have been told that since birth..
He kicked a hornets nest illegally and unnecessarily imo..
We will have troops on the ground..
Can't believe we can't stop this madness as the majority are against it..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: The Fugitive on March 14, 2026, 05:48:08 PM
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 14, 2026, 06:18:36 PM
Wow seriously do you think there's a majority of level head people who are actually for this conflict...
Yes polls are subjective to how and who is doing the polling...that goes both ways..
Used to do marketing research on the side for a company based out of Fairfax VA...
So how far are you for it...boots on the ground ok with you guys...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 14, 2026, 07:00:03 PM
It's not rocket science to spend 11.7 seconds on google to view all the polls and take your biased pick.
They ALL say a majority do NOT support this.
Unless you're just scared to see how in fact wrong you are.
Denial will not change what everyone knows and sees. But you can close the blinds while it's snowing, therefore it's not snowing. Try to be honest with yourself and don't PLAY ignorant for your own convenience and to save face, you're not convincing us.
be ready to eat crow feathers
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 14, 2026, 07:09:51 PM
Given that the pain hasn't even started yet, I expect that to get much worse when we are paying $4.50\gal in Nov.
Everyone knows YKW is tanking in the national opinion but for reasons I cannot fathom, there is an element of the people for whom he can do no wrong. There is little point in using any form of facts or logic to attempt to change their point of view.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 14, 2026, 10:01:55 PM
Screaming at the sky.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 06:59:57 AM
"Analysts started expressing views that $200 oil is not a fantasy anymore-with 20% of global oil supply choked at the Strait of Hormuz buyers are racing to procure physical cargoes, refiners in Asia consider cutting processing rates, and Asian countries restrict fuel exports.
As a result, jet and diesel cracks soared to never-seen highs, leaving entire regions such as Europe in a shocking shortfall of middle distillates."
Wouldn't put anything past Israel to stir this up and drag everyone into it..
Eagler
If that one tickles you, this is todays psyop messaging from Russia, Iran and some Chinese channels. Given the likelihood of and Iran op, it's safe to say this will get drug up and amplified after as proof.
"Remaining members of Epstein’s network" are working on a false flag attack & blame Iran
— Iran’s top security official, Larijani https://t.co/EjdsAwgQ6s pic.twitter.com/QPlXfH6DW9
Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 15, 2026
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 08:47:43 AM
If that one tickles you, this is todays psyop messaging from Russia, Iran and some Chinese channels. Given the likelihood of and Iran op, it's safe to say this will get drug up and amplified after as proof.
"Remaining members of Epstein’s network" are working on a false flag attack & blame Iran
— Iran’s top security official, Larijani https://t.co/EjdsAwgQ6s pic.twitter.com/QPlXfH6DW9
Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) March 15, 2026
Rubio already admitted Israel was going to attack anyway, so we had to join in because we were going to be put at risk.
Contemplate that.
Israel puts us at risk, so we have to join in.
Contemplate that.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 15, 2026, 09:03:33 AM
Rubio already admitted Israel was going to attack anyway, so we had to join in because we were going to be put at risk.
Contemplate that.
Israel puts us at risk, so we have to join in.
Contemplate that.
What would be the value in contemplating that? I don't know what the truth is there and it is irrelevant. People spend way too much effort fighting over narratives that are almost certainly contrived to one degree or another. What matters to me is what is fact and how it affects me. All the hand wringing gets us is divisive arguments of irrelevant nuances as each side grinds against the other with pre programed arguments about how the other side of the coin all fit in a convenient basket of bad and their side of the coin needs to be defended. It's 90% wasted space and time that takes away from legitimate discussion about what the facts are and how they affect everyone involved.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 09:48:40 AM
What would be the value in contemplating that? I don't know what the truth is there and it is irrelevant. People spend way too much effort fighting over narratives that are almost certainly contrived to one degree or another. What matters to me is what is fact and how it affects me. All the hand wringing gets us is divisive arguments of irrelevant nuances as each side grinds against the other with pre programed arguments about how the other side of the coin all fit in a convenient basket of bad and their side of the coin needs to be defended. It's 90% wasted space and time that takes away from legitimate discussion about what the facts are and how they affect everyone involved.
You post what you want.
I know I will.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 09:53:49 AM
Rabbidrabbit..I think Israel launched drones at the countries Iran was blamed for within hours of the start of this disaster...
It wasn't anyone's thoughts or suggestions...I came to that conclusion all by myself way b4 anyone else "psyop" such an idea..
And I doubt anyone can nor will prove me wrong...
Have we taken the blame for killing the school girls yet...or are we just going to deny any evidence until the noise about that slaughter stops/ changes...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 10:02:48 AM
Rabbidrabbit..I think Israel launched drones at the countries Iran was blamed for within hours of the start of this disaster...
It wasn't anyone's thoughts or suggestions...I came to that conclusion all by myself way b4 anyone else "psyop" such an idea..
And I doubt anyone can nor will prove me wrong...
Have we taken the blame for killing the school girls yet...or are we just going to deny any evidence until the noise about that slaughter stops/ changes...
Last I heard it was pretty conclusive. Old GPS targeting data.
I don't blame the military. I have the feeling the was an ill-considered, strategically un-analyzed, shoot-from-the-hip decision. I'm sure they did the best they could with the time they had.
As we were being marched into combat at bayonet point by Israel.
The tail wagged the dog.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 15, 2026, 10:08:03 AM
Rabbidrabbit..I think Israel launched drones at the countries Iran was blamed for within hours of the start of this disaster...
It wasn't anyone's thoughts or suggestions...I came to that conclusion all by myself way b4 anyone else "psyop" such an idea..
And I doubt anyone can nor will prove me wrong... Eagler
You are claiming Israel launched Iranian drones at other countries and they blamed Iran? The burden of having a compelling argument for extraordinary claims lies with you and requires extraordinary proof to be credible. I'm a huge fan of facts over narratives so I'm looking forward to you backing that claim up. I will absolutely believe you if that claim has merit.
For the record, I suspect the basis for this claim belongs with Iran and their psyop channels "Accusations of "False Flag" or Sabotage Strikes: On March 15, 2026, Iranian Foreign Minister Seyed Abbas Araghchi claimed that Israel and the U.S. have been launching drones from various locations to strike Arab Gulf states (such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE).
The Intent: Iran alleges these strikes are designed to be "blamed on Iran" to sabotage its relations with neighboring Arab countries.
Specific Drone Mention: Iranian officials specifically accused the U.S. of developing a drone named "LUCAS" (designed to mimic the Iranian Shahed-136) to carry out these operations in Arab countries. "
Is there any actual evidence that this claim is actually true and not a psyop?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 10:17:43 AM
What evidence/facts do you have that states Iran launched them besides the starters of the war telling you that they did...
It didn't make any sense for them to drone attack those that didn't attack them first...
The fog of war will hide such details...
Do you think Israel is above such actions...
When are the Iranians going to take to the streets and make Iran great again..it was all about their freedom wasn't it..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 10:18:29 AM
Rabbidrabbit..I think Israel launched drones at the countries Iran was blamed for within hours of the start of this disaster...
Anything is possible in this hot mess.
However Iran attacking the GCC doesn't shock me.
Sun Tzu says you have to understand your enemy as yourself.
From their eyes, what they see, is a bunch of Arab Sunni enemies orchestrating a sneak attack on their Shia Persian nation and assassination of their national\religious leaders, using the tools of their pet Zionists and it's Great Satan lap dog. Think Pearl Harbor Attack time 1000. How did we react?
These aren't their friendly neighbors. They don't have BBQs. IF this goes further they will attack their enemies desalination plants and 80% of their populations would have to evacuate of die of thirst.
Iran only gets 2% of it's water from desalination.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 10:19:31 AM
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 15, 2026, 10:20:37 AM
Thinking you aren't influenced by others is ignorant. Of course we all are. Look at the big picture. Iran has a thugish government that took power 47 years ago, oppressed it's citizens, and inflicted terror on the region all this time. The threats of death to America while avidly pursuing development of nuclear weapons were not idle threats.
Doesn't really matter what you believe in regards to this though. The Islamic Republic is done.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 10:24:42 AM
Thinking you aren't influenced by others is ignorant. Of course we all are. Look at the big picture. Iran has a thugish government that took power 47 years ago, oppressed it's citizens, and inflicted terror on the region all this time. The threats of death to America while avidly pursuing development of nuclear weapons were not idle threats.
Doesn't really matter what you believe in regards to this though. The Islamic Republic is done.
Aren't they still in power right now?
You make a strong argument for action though.
Given that GOP controls both houses and only needs a simple majority, sounds like an easy slam-dunk to get a Congressional Authorization of Force.
If you can't even convince your own party, maybe you need to pause and self-reflect.
The reason he didn't, is because he thinks he is a King, and he didn't want to explain his plan to lift sanctions on Putin.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 15, 2026, 10:26:07 AM
If by power you mean cowering in the dark promising to murder any fellow citizens if they oppose you then yes. Still "in power". More like powerless really though and they know it's only a matter of time. Surrender for them really isn't an option. Kill 40,000 of your people and they will not be forgiving when the guns change hands.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 10:33:46 AM
If by power you mean cowering in the dark promising to murder any fellow citizens if they oppose you then yes. Still "in power". More like powerless really though and they know it's only a matter of time. Surrender for them really isn't an option. Kill 40,000 of your people and they will not be forgiving when the guns change hands.
How many major cities has the Resistance captured?
They're in power enough to close the Strait apparently.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 15, 2026, 10:37:51 AM
I don't think anyone is controlling any cities right now. The streets aren't safe for anyone yet. The rulers and soldiers of the Islamic Republic only hope of surviving is making a deal with the US that protects them somehow from their own angry citizens. Deportation is the only way I think. There's a lot going on we aren't privy to. Wait and see. You have no other choice. Well, besides screaming at the sky.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 10:41:26 AM
You keep getting wrapped up in the conspiracy circle and then declaring your conspiracy circle is the actual truth.
How about we take a moment to acknowledge the known facts and work form there.
There is tons of evidence that Iran has and uses these drones. Can we agree that this is true?
Yes that is true..Russia has used them too...per the video so has the US..
I don't get wrapped up in conspiracies as many seem to pop up after I have already run through that particular thought process...
I am just expressing my thoughts on this subject like any other on this board...
Seems some agree while others don't depending on what perceived side I seem to be on per a specific comment...
I stated previously..I don't have a side except for what is decent and honest..which is harder to find on either side these days..
Praying for an end to this and all wars sooner than later without cheering for additional death and destruction regardless what side it's happening to an any particular moment... :pray
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 10:42:03 AM
I don't think anyone is controlling any cities right now. The streets aren't safe for anyone yet. The rulers and soldiers of the Islamic Republic only hope of surviving is making a deal with the US that protects them somehow from their own angry citizens. Deportation is the only way I think. There's a lot going on we aren't privy to. Wait and see. You have no other choice. Well, besides screaming at the sky.
Didn't we think the same thing about Saddam after GW1?
Didn't it take troops to finally go in there and pull him out of a Spider-Hole? 12 years later.
This time is different?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 15, 2026, 10:47:31 AM
I would expect the Iranians will deal with the Islamic Republic even more harshly than did Europeans with Germans.
Pretty good documentary:
The Savage Peace.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5267658/
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 15, 2026, 10:49:50 AM
Yes that is true..Russia has used them too...per the video so has the US..
I stated previously..I don't have a side except for what is decent and honest..which is harder to find on either side these days..
Eagler
In the wild wild west of the internet all narratives get pushed and that sure makes it harder to define who/what is decent and honest. We certainly agree there. The only way to not get sucked into the suck fest is to use critical thought to process all information and from there consider the probability and relevance of the argument.
I think that if you did that objectively in this case, you would end up with the probability of Israel getting away with attacking their neighbors with Iranian drones is really close to zero. Maybe not zero but really close. The probability of Iran using Iranian drones to attack their neighbors is really close to 1. Thus the probability of the Iranian claim being accurate is extremely low but not impossible.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 10:50:52 AM
I would expect the Iranians will deal with the Islamic Republic even more harshly than did Europeans with Germans.
Did you expect the Iraqi people to overthrow Saddam after GW1?
Spoiler Alert: Never happened. Extremely unlikely you can replace the regime with something that just isn't even worse (which is apparently what we did), with just air power.
Every day some Mullah down in a hidden bunker is releasing videos showing the regime is still in power and giving the finger to YKW, the more desperate he is going to get to save face as the mid-term barrels down on him like the freight-train of inevitability.
My guess is a 50\50 toss up.
He will throw up his hands and say he already won, and just leave the mess he created for the rest of the world to clean up (and leaving the Iranian people in an even worse condition), or he will panic and commit troops and we get 20 year nation-building Forever-War.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 15, 2026, 10:56:30 AM
Are you suggesting Iraq of 1991 was the same as Iran today? Did millions of Iraqis march in the streets and did Saddam slaughter 40,000 in a few days?
I also remember a bunch of swamp Arabs and Kurds trying to rise up and getting slaughtered.
Saddam was still in power 12 years later.
Why are you assuming this is going to end up with flower waving peace loving peoples of Iran taking over and it just doesn't splinter into a Syria-Like failed state ruled by a collection of even more extremist warlords?
How helpful would it be to have a Mad-Max Warlord region sitting on the Strait for the next 20 years?
Is that a better world for the Iranian people?
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: AKIron on March 15, 2026, 11:26:02 AM
I'm reading reports that protests are hitting the streets in multiple cities across Iran now and the IRGC still has enough support to oppose these. No idea if this is true. If it is we may be seeing the end of this real soon.
I'm not finding any support for this so probably nothing new right now. People are hunkered down.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 11:34:28 AM
This time is different?
I hope so.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 11:58:40 AM
In the wild wild west of the internet all narratives get pushed and that sure makes it harder to define who/what is decent and honest. We certainly agree there. The only way to not get sucked into the suck fest is to use critical thought to process all information and from there consider the probability and relevance of the argument.
I think that if you did that objectively in this case, you would end up with the probability of Israel getting away with attacking their neighbors with Iranian drones is really close to zero. Maybe not zero but really close. The probability of Iran using Iranian drones to attack their neighbors is really close to 1. Thus the probability of the Iranian claim being accurate is extremely low but not impossible.
Glad to see that you think my possibilities are a possibility...
That's all I am saying...I definitely don't believe most of what comes out of the mouths of those that started this..sorry..didn't believe most of the hot air from the king of hot air b4 this latest distraction started...not going to start now..just a baseball cap wearing rich kid tough guy that has never been in a real fight in his entire life..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: rabbidrabbit on March 15, 2026, 12:29:01 PM
Glad to see that you think my possibilities are a possibility...
That's all I am saying...I definitely don't believe most of what comes out of the mouths of those that started this..sorry..didn't believe most of the hot air from the king of hot air b4 this latest distraction started...not going to start now..just a baseball cap wearing rich kid tough guy that has never been in a real fight in his entire life..
Eagler
Perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of the person you note. Also perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of Iranian claims that seem to have near zero credibility. More importantly, question the source of info that made you aware of the Iranian claim wrapped up in a narrative intended to polarize and demoralize the target.
You might like this guys work. He is skeptical of anything that seems worthy of being skeptical of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q70RSF64H8o
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 15, 2026, 12:30:21 PM
Glad to see that you think my possibilities are a possibility...
That's all I am saying...I definitely don't believe most of what comes out of the mouths of those that started this..sorry..didn't believe most of the hot air from the king of hot air b4 this latest distraction started...not going to start now..just a baseball cap wearing rich kid tough guy that has never been in a real fight in his entire life..
Eagler
Iran attacked neighbors who had American military and supported the US. Stupid, but true.
What we have us part of society that put their whole identity into one man. No matter what he dies or says, no matter how rotten and wrong he is, no matter the mindless mistakes, he is right in their heads. In 10 yrs their whole identity is one single man. Who are they when he’s gone? That fear makes them hold on with a white knuckle death grip. Because when he is gone they have to face who they have become. You will not make sense to them, they don’t want to have been wrong. All the stuff they said to people will come back. And the fear of that us denial, not wanting to face that moment, not face the people they pushed away.
It’s fubar. It’s sad. The other side praises no single man, they don’t get it.
Its about saving face, not reality. Reality forces what they don’t want to realize or deal with. This is right, no natter what.
It is what it is.
GLy
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 12:47:14 PM
For those who don’t understand the basics..
It's why Iranian oil wants Chinese yuan now...
It's why the US will go into any war to prevent any change to thar setup or setup the fall of said country by other means...ask Gaddafi how that turns out..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 12:49:47 PM
It's why the US will go into any war to prevent any change to thar setup or setup the fall of said country by other means...ask Gaddafi how that turns out..
Eagler
I dunno, but I bet the Chinese tankers are going in with drones and coming out with oil.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 01:12:20 PM
I would not take that bet...
Of course they are..what are we going to do about it, go to war with China simultaneously...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 15, 2026, 01:18:41 PM
Of course they are..what are we going to do about it, go to war with China simultaneously...
Eagler
Even if we stopped Israel will drag down the gutter. Which is how WWIII has been predicted to start. They used and abused cognitive decline to start their dream.
This can of worms may never be closed. Like this game, egos are in the way of common logic and civility.
Being wrong is my prayer.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 15, 2026, 03:14:29 PM
Death by Distractions.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 15, 2026, 04:07:48 PM
If this doesn't stop an interest rate cut nothing will...
It should require an interest rate hike imo..
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: nopoop on March 15, 2026, 06:12:28 PM
Looking at the bigger picture..
China is the dominant buyer of Iranian oil, purchasing over 90% of its exports as of early 2026, primarily to independent "teapot" refiners. These small Chinese refiners use a shadow fleet of tankers to bypass US sanctions. Other minor importers include Syria, Venezuela, and some firms in the UAE.
Shadow fleet has problems with more countrys seizing boats. No oil from Iran or from Venezuela. Cuba is also has problems with oil also. Loyds of londen :getting shut down over insurance. There is more than meets the eye going on here..
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Animl-AW on March 15, 2026, 08:00:30 PM
One of the smartest ppl in news. No matter who runs his show. Brilliant sob
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 16, 2026, 07:45:53 AM
"Gas prices in the United States rose 2 cents to just under $3.72 a gallon on average, according to AAA. That’s the highest price for regular gas since October 7, 2023.
Since the start of the war with Iran, gas prices have surged 74 cents a gallon. The 26.9% gain in US gas prices over the past month is the largest monthly increase since Hurricane Katrina."
I'm paying about a dollar more than 2 weeks ago. Last filled up at $2.79/gal, now $3.69. America first, amirite?
This is just the preliminary rise. Think of it as catastrophic economic foreplay.
It takes about a month for the true effect of the prices will start digging in. It will hit everything. Remember 70's Stagflation? You will.
At least we freed the Iranian people and we didn't even have to lift sanctions on Putin to do it! THAT is how you pull off a well planned operation, Boy!
Oh. Wait...
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 16, 2026, 08:36:54 AM
Refresher course...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 16, 2026, 08:58:42 AM
I'm not expecting shortages per se. I am expecting high prices at the pump and everywhere else. Cost of everything will go up. We produce oil. The companies will make money. But the petroleum we use is purchased at global market price. We feed into, but draw from the global supply like everyone else.
Unless he makes an EO to ban exports. That might keep prices here lower. But the corps wouldn't like that so I don't think he would do that.
I'm sensing a TACO coming. He is going to say we did our part and it's the rest of the world's job to open the Strait. He'll give himself the Nobel Peace Prize and declare victory and move on to Cuba.
And leave the world and the Iranian people hanging.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 16, 2026, 11:58:06 AM
My understanding is the only sanctions lifted on Russia was the tankers stranded from the last sanctions.
11 billion dollars worth.
And that won't be the last.
This goat rodeo ain't ending any time soon.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 16, 2026, 03:06:01 PM
Asking the other countries for help now...even as he says he destroyed Iran..then getting mad at them for not helping with the war he and Israel started seems mental at this point..
Are we sure he is all there these days...
Still amazed one moron can cause all of this ... but it was his turn to testify...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 16, 2026, 03:11:00 PM
Asking the other countries for help now...even as he says he destroyed Iran..then getting mad at them for not helping with the war he and Israel started seems mental at this point..
Are we sure he is all there these days...
Still amazed one moron can cause all of this ... but it was his turn to testify...
Eagler
Which why the Founders didn't want just one guy making the nation's decision for war.
There needed to have been vigorous debate.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 16, 2026, 03:44:30 PM
As it didn't qualify as a war powers event, it is as illegal as it gets ...
Never knew one lose cannon/nut job once surrounded by a team of yes men could ever thrown the country so far into the sewer...
This is how BRICS starts looking like not so different an option than the sinking ship they are on with the dollar..
Eagler
Easy, enabler congress released themselves of all powers
He is not alone in fault. This entire admin has broken laws, because no one in power is stopping them. Surrounded by enablers snd Yes people, including viters who were well warned. A perfect storm.
Come on, most with common sense predicted all of this well in advance
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: CptTrips on March 16, 2026, 04:42:29 PM
I believe our current political problem is the mechanisms of our Constitutional order were designed before the advent of strong political parties.
The different houses were meant to be populated by men with independent goals and jealous of their institutions powers. Three adversarial branches constantly fighting to limit the power of the other two.
The Founders understood the only way you can avoid tyranny is the set them up as enemies looking over each other shoulders for any violation to charge them on.
However strong parties exert pressure outside the institution and when you get Legislature, Executive, possibly even the Judiciary all in cahoots, well, Constitutional inconveniences can go unchallenged. No one wants to buck the party if they want a future. Gotta keep one unified team message.
The designed check-and-balance safety mechanism has been hacked.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Busher on March 16, 2026, 05:27:18 PM
Never knew one lose cannon/nut job once surrounded by a team of yes men could ever thrown the country so far into the sewer...
Eagler
He got elected and he has a base that refuses to question anything he does. The Framers attempted to create a leadership of 3 branches of Government all with equal power to assure enough checks and balances, all designed to avoid the despotic monarchy you fought to leave. Does anyone believe that in today's world Congress or the Judiciary would do anything to displease this despot? Your local school will eventually have his name on it.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 16, 2026, 07:02:39 PM
Asking the other countries for help now...even as he says he destroyed Iran..then getting mad at them for not helping with the war he and Israel started seems mental at this point..
Are we sure he is all there these days...
Still amazed one moron can cause all of this ... but it was his turn to testify...
Eagler
How much are we paying them again? They dont want to help run the sea that was formerly under control by a dictatorship? How silly and weak. Sure seems like America is doing a whole lot to liberate people from totalitarianism while European leaders get to sit there and eat its cake hand delivered to them promoting propaganda that our president is the dictator. Yall are silly. Following media phoneys who dont have a clue. Its okay though. There is a mission, its being carried out, and America is showing the world that we are cleaning out the trash.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Busher on March 16, 2026, 07:37:26 PM
See? I rest my case.
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: Eagler on March 17, 2026, 06:26:15 AM
How much are we paying them again? They dont want to help run the sea that was formerly under control by a dictatorship? How silly and weak. Sure seems like America is doing a whole lot to liberate people from totalitarianism while European leaders get to sit there and eat its cake hand delivered to them promoting propaganda that our president is the dictator. Yall are silly. Following media phoneys who dont have a clue. Its okay though. There is a mission, its being carried out, and America is showing the world that we are cleaning out the trash.
Dang Violator the orange grip has you good dude...
Seriously he broke the law starting this, he was about to be made to testify about pedophile charges, he lies and or exaggerates every stinking thing and is as embarrassing on the world stage as dead brain potato head before him but in maybe even worse ways...
He has kidnapped one loser and assassinated another..
He ran on just the opposite actions..peace ending the existing conflicts before he was even inaugurated..the pedo files release .. :rolleyes:
He has become the swamp he said he was going to drain...
Would you be cheering this on if hackles had won and did the same stupid illegal crap...
Eagler
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: RichardDarkwood on March 17, 2026, 07:43:25 AM
Dang Violator the orange grip has you good dude...
Seriously he broke the law starting this, he was about to be made to testify about pedophile charges, he lies and or exaggerates every stinking thing and is as embarrassing on the world stage as dead brain potato head before him but in maybe even worse ways...
He has kidnapped one loser and assassinated another..
He ran on just the opposite actions..peace ending the existing conflicts before he was even inaugurated..the pedo files release .. :rolleyes:
He has become the swamp he said he was going to drain...
Would you be cheering this on if hackles had won and did the same stupid illegal crap...
Eagler
You are delusional. Don't you have some kids to go yell at?
Get outta MY YARD!!!
Title: Re: $120 a barrel
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 17, 2026, 07:49:03 AM
Dang Violator the orange grip has you good dude...
Seriously he broke the law starting this, he was about to be made to testify about pedophile charges, he lies and or exaggerates every stinking thing and is as embarrassing on the world stage as dead brain potato head before him but in maybe even worse ways...
He has kidnapped one loser and assassinated another..
He ran on just the opposite actions..peace ending the existing conflicts before he was even inaugurated..the pedo files release .. :rolleyes:
He has become the swamp he said he was going to drain...
Would you be cheering this on if hackles had won and did the same stupid illegal crap...
Eagler
No, you are just falling for the media propaganda. He was not going to testify about epstein, he was the only person to offer evidence against epstein btw on top of the fact that him and his teams have arrested more pedos and traffickers than than any president in history. You need to tighten your head back on and realize what is happening and what Iran really is. You dont think removing Maduro is peace for Venezuela? You dont think removing the IRCG Is peace for the entire Middle East? While iran has used proxies for years to attack the middle east. This is peace buddy. Trump has more peace treaties than most presidents combined. No one is embarrassed except weak people. The same weak people who thought a dementia patient who couldn't sign his own bills was strength. Now we see a weak nato ran by weak men while their countries get invaded.
Its honestly sad you all can't see whats really going on and why we needed to completely eliminate all of these threats and blackmail networks.
Would I be cheering this on if the last guy was in charge in of this? Hell no because I know he wouldn't be in charge, and that last guy wouldn't even be doing this, and didnt, because he was getting kick backs and everything else from Valerie Jarret during Obamas years. Like yall have no clue why they call it the "#1 state sponsor of terror" do you?
As far as Im concerned, Trump is doing God's work while the rest of the devils heathens cry because their power structures are being dismantled. Be careful of the media you follow.