Originally posted by wsnpr
You are absolutely right in expressing your opinion. I cannot disagree in what you believe in. However, my beliefs and yours are completely different on this matter.
Fine.
I however believe that it is against Israel's own long-term interest in continuing to victimize innocent Palestinian civillian casualties in her quest for a 'Greater Israel.' Too many innocent lives from both sides are being lost in this conflict. From my point of view, your reasoning that the civillian Palestinian casualties is ok (at least I haven't read anywhere that you are against them) is anti-Israeli to me. More and more innocent Israelis will lose their lives as a direct 'cause and effect' from Israeli military action.
You are absolutely right in expressing your opinion. I cannot disagree in what you believe in. (But it gets really boring really fast dont you agree?)
Because you can't seem to comprehend that one can be for both the Palestinians and the Israelis having a homeland and living in secure borders doesn't make it silly. You need to understand that a fraction of both sides are responsible for the killings on both sides, not the majority. What I really find silly is your basic lack of understanding of what I stand for.
Again, you are completely correct, not only do I lack a basic understanding of what you stand for, one might go as far as to say that I have no idea whatsoever as to what you stand for. The problem however is this sentence: "one can be for both the Palestinians and the Israelis having a homeland and living in secure borders." Now, are you stating an opinion (in which case I'll make sure not to disagree with it, since I cant disagree with an opinion) or is this something open to debate? I e, would it be ok if I tried to point out why that idea is a pipe dream.
So you're admitting to nothing positive being done for the Palestinians?
No.
Cause and effect retaliation. Or do you expect victims not to fight back?
The minute they embark on their intifada, they are victims no longer. Take a look at the arab track record in the region.
Total number of "real" wars: 5
Wars started by or caused by arabs: 4
Why are you referring to them as "victims"?
Let's be more specific shall we? What did the Israelis do to some of the Palestinians after they won the Six Day War of '67?
Perhaps a too general question dont you agree?
Did any Palestinian people get moved against their will and without compensation?
No. Did any Israeli politician, soldier and/or officer try to convince Palestinians not to flee and instead stay where they were?
Did any innocent Palestinian civillians get killed?
Most probably. Any innocent Israeli civilians?
What happens to your first reason after Israel gets rid of the arabs and has a Greater Israel?
Israel will still have arab neighbors, and arabs living inside Israel (cheap workforce).
What happens to your second reason when the bioweapon is delivered in a small devise such as in an attache case? Test tube? Jar? I am not talking about chemical weapons, but biological. If biological weapons are delivered in Israeli territory by say an Israeli-looking person in an Israeli military uniform, what country would Israel nuke in responce? What about the radioactive fallout?
In no particular order: Iran, Iraq, Syria. As for the fallout, by using small nukes, air bursts at favorable weather conditions, the Israelis should be able to make sure that any radioactive fallout stays inside Iran, Iraq and/or Syria.
Wow! You're admitting that you don't know about something? Perhaps you should educate yourself, surely you have a book around somewhere that would point those hijackings of 68-69.
But I asked you. Why cant you tell me about those hijackings? After all I told you about the civil war in Jordan.
