WMD's found in Iraq

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Toad
We are not annexing Iraq. Far from it; we're in the process of helping ourselves to their OIL , and setting up an independent democratic puppet government under our control.

Preach on Brutha!

[Toad]

Just shows how far out into the galaxy you've strayed Nexus.

Anyone following the developing political spectrum in Iraq can see it's going to be puppet to no outside country. In fact, they've got enough good old, hate, envy and demagoguery to compete withe the Dems and Reps here.

And Scholz is bailing a boat with no bottom. We did nothing in violation of the UN charter. Just check the goings on at the UN... zip, zero, nada. No condemnation, nothing. Maybe Scholz can make a quick trip to NYC and brief up Kofi?

Kofi will probably tell him though, that what we did was "not otherwise inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Toad

And Scholz is bailing a boat with no bottom. We did nothing in violation of the UN charter. Just check the goings on at the UN... zip, zero, nada. No condemnation, nothing. Maybe Scholz can make a quick trip to NYC and brief up Kofi?

LOL!~

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by GScholz
Brenn inne Toad. You're on my troll list now.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by GScholz
You don't know dick about the situation, you don't even know what conflicts or what organisations were involved or how they were organized. You don't even know why they were fighting, where and by what means, or what role the UN and NATO played. You don't have a clue, and you can add that to your sig aswell.

Gee, does this mean you are refuting the timeline or not? I'm so dumb I can't tell...

...Yes or no, was there a UNSC call to arms on the issue of the Balkans prior to NATO action? Calls for a ceasefire don't count... has to be a real resolution. Of course you know you aren't about to take that one on fair and square, because you know it didn't happen. Does that mean that any NATO country involved in the bombings are now considered criminal countries? According to your logic, it does.

Perhaps you'd like to take another stab at my intelligence? Care to take another blanket swipe at America? That door swings both ways you know... you make a swipe at America, I make a swipe at Scandinavia, you get your panties in a wad... I giggle and barb you some more... all the while you cannot prove your point. But don't let that stop you...

[maslo]

Originally posted by midnight Target
The only political independence threatened was Saddam Husein's. Iraq will be independent and will have the same territory when we leave.

if they will not be dependent on you some how after you leave.

nice example is mobile network .. thanks alah, they got GSM

btw i had few drinks with one Iraq last week, he came from Baghdad few weeks ago and he is going back in next few days..

from his speak i will not be surprised, that American will be wellcome there as they are welcome in Iran, after their army leave

[Kieran]

So? Does that mean you refute the timeline or not?

My knowledge of your troop dispositions aren't the point of the discussion- stay on topic. Your contention is that any country acting with violence against any other country without a UNSC resolutions (except in the case of self-defense) is a criminal country, correct? NATO countries did indeed engage without such a resolution, and without the engaged countries being a direct threat to the respective participating NATO countries.

In other words, the participating NATO countries would not have incurred any harm by standing by and letting the bloodshed continue.

In other words, the participating NATO countries were by your definition criminals.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Toad
Anyone following the developing political spectrum in Iraq can see it's going to be puppet to no outside country. In fact, they've got enough good old, hate, envy and demagoguery to compete withe the Dems and Reps here.

Oh, contrair, I don't think I'm out of the solar system just yet.... like you are with the Al-Qaeda-Iraq and WMD issues.

The spectre of a puppet government will loom over Afghanistan and Iraq both!

The reason why I say this, is that the people of those two nations weren't the ones who over threw the previous regime.... and any government put into place by the auspicious of the US is suspect!

Whether it's true or not... and I do believe the US will make every effort to make it a legit independent government. However, the deep seatted distrust of the west is inbred in the middle east from centuries of western colonization.

You can't deny that stigma is still there and is perhaps one of the root causes of 9/11.

And the distrust of any government installed by the US, will be present among not only the people of that nation but also their neighbors.

You can't dismiss group psychology that easily... at least not for a few more generations.

Any government set in place will have to show it's people and their neighbors that they are truly independent of the US, by bucking US interests....

Let's see if that really happens.... with out some kind of backlash from the US on their leaders.

Bush's "reward and punishment" approach to foreign affairs is going to come back to him.

[Kieran]

UN troops were peacekeepers only, and were not authorized for aggressive action. NATO bombed the crap outta the place.

Fer cryin' out loud, the timeline makes very clear where I'm talking about. You were there, remember?

February -- Milosevic sends troops into the areas controlled by the KLA, destroying property and killing 80 Kosovars, at least 30 of them women, children and elderly men. The killing provokes riots in Pristina, the Kosovar capital, turns the conflict into a guerrilla war and raises again the specter of ethnic cleansing by the Serbs.

May -- Milosevic and Ibrahim Rugova, an advocate of a peaceful path to independence for Kosovo, hold talks for first time, but the Albanian side boycotts further meetings.

July and August -- KLA seizes control of 40 percent of Kosovo before being defeated in a Serb offensive.

September -- Serb forces attack central Kosovo, where 22 Albanians are found massacred. U.N. Security Council calls for immediate cease-fire and political dialogue.

October -- NATO allies authorize airstrikes against Serb military targets, Milosevic agrees to withdraw troops, facilitate the return of refugees and accept unarmed international monitors.

All in 1998. All before a UNSC resolution. Do you really think I don't know what countries I'm talking about? Wait... you'll answer THAT question, but won't address the one you can't because it will undermine your "UN as the ultimate authority" argument.

[kappa]

Any government set in place will have to show it's people and their neighbors that they are truly independent of the US, by bucking US interests....

If this happens.. They wont be independent of the US for much longer..

[Furball]

Is that a Challenger tank?

[Kieran]

Originally posted by GScholz
I was in Bosnia in 1995, not in Kosovo. KOSOVO WAS A DIFFERENT CONFLICT YOU TWIT!
 

And this is the first time you've said where you were. You said you were part of a UN force. That's kinda vague, isn't it?

Who's the twit?

AND... BTW... you still didn't address the question I knew you wouldn't, have you? Don't bother asking me what color boots you wore or the color of your beret, it won't distract me from the point at hand- the NATO action in 1998 happened without a UNSC resolution, making every participating country criminals according to your logic.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by GScholz
If you have further questions, direct them elsewhere. I have neither the time nor the inclination to be your "special class" teacher.

LOL

We're all "special" here!

Relax said the nightman
We are programed to recieve
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Kieran
Athe NATO action in 1998 happened without a UNSC resolution, making every participating country criminals according to your logic.

Would you like to buy a clue?

"google" or Grokker it.

IIRC, NATO had the authority and backing of the UN, but I don't need to recall... GScholz pretty much slam dunked it.

"Wooosh! Nothing but net"

pssst... here's another hint... NATO and UN work together alot!

[Kieran]

I stand corrected on the resolution.

My opinion of Gscholtz as a condescending bellybutton stands. If you (Gscholz) had any class you'd admit you put words into the mouths of myself and many posters here with regards to your "imminent threat" and the chemical weapons shells. No one called the shells proof of imminent threat, as you falsely claimed. In short, you are right on the Balkans issue, but that really is nothing more than a sideshow for the original point; you lied. My fault for allowing you to pull me off-tangent when you started squirming, I guess.

Ah well, can't be right every time.