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[Thud]

Originally posted by Martlet
In furtherance of this, if it takes place in my community, if it affects my children, then it affects me.

Nonsense, it doesn't make the slightest difference whether the gay couple living a street away is married or not. The piece of paper they have in their kitchendrawer does not affect you, your community and most of all it doesn't affect your kids.

Explain to me what difference that marriage act in their drawer makes in your life, please...

[Hortlund]

Did you miss this Thud?

My children will be indoctrinated into a society that tells them it is normal behavior, which is strictly against our belief system. Schools will also be forced to teach "gay education"- there are samples of schools already discussing this. Good enough?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Thud
Nonsense, it doesn't make the slightest difference whether the gay couple living a street away is married or not. The piece of paper they have in their kitchendrawer does not affect you, your community and most of all it doesn't affect your kids.

Explain to me what difference that marriage act in their drawer makes in your life, please...

I just did.

By teaching my children that what goes on in your bedroom is your business teaches them tolerance.

By teaching my children that homosexuality isn't deviant behavior, but is the same as heterosexuality, goes against some people belief systems.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Did you miss this Thud?

My children will be indoctrinated into a society that tells them it is normal behavior, which is strictly against our belief system. Schools will also be forced to teach "gay education"- there are samples of schools already discussing this. Good enough?

That's the game, Hortlund. Ask for examples, but don't acknowledge any as valid. It's why it is tiresome to discuss why I believe as I do. Better to simply say, "They are my beliefs, that's all" and leave it at that.

[straffo]

My children will be indoctrinated into a society that tells them it is normal behavior, which is strictly against our belief system

Well society change it's a fact what can seen as the norm today will perhaps seen as disgusting in 100 years ..

There is a lot of behaviour that can be seen as against one or another belief ie I guess your not shocked when eating pork ?
We are now shocked to see child geting married in some country at the age of 12 but it did happen in hour country before ...

This part of your post show yet another difference between our country.

Schools will also be forced to teach "gay education"- there are samples of schools already discussing this. Good enough?

I don't think it will happen here school is supposed to be neutral (see our recent religious symbol ban law )
For exemple sexual behaviour is suposed to be part of the "sphére privée" (privacy space ?) exactly like personnal belief.


One of the problem in this discution is the mix between a sacrement and  the legal right and obligations there is between married people.

One is purely a religieous act.
The other is more a equality concern facing law/IRS etc ...

This was somewhat solved in France by the creation of what I call a "lightweight marriage" : le PACS.
 

The PACS is a contract concluded between two major people, of different sex or of the same sex, to organize their common life.  It creates rights and obligations for the partners, in particular "a mutual and material help".

Even if the PACS give almost the same right (I'm not sure being married ) it's not recognized by church exactly like my marriage because I didn't get married in a church (and it won't happen )

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

What the **** is gay education?!
-SW

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Dowding
Christians complaining about indoctrination is a new one. If you want to see some proper indoctrination, take a vacation in Northern Ireland some time. They like to spit at kids over there.

But don't you see? Schools are forbidden to indoctrinate children into a system of values based on religion- and I accept that as valid. OTOH, schools will indoctrinate children into a value system that says gays are normal. One value system is favored over another, and it directly impacts me (the teacher) and my children (the students).

Gays are free to fight for whatever they like, but I am also free to fight for my beliefs.

I'm definitely loving the bigot and racist comments, particlurly from some of the bigger religious bigots. If being against homosexuality makes me a bigot, color me guilty, and proud of it. Racist? Hehe, rich.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
What the **** is gay education?!
-SW

You'll have to go to New York to find out. Or do a google.

[Thud]

Originally posted by Martlet
Regardless of whether or not you agree with SSM or homosexuality, it is a deviant behavior.  As Americans, we accept many deviant behaviors.  What happens in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom.  When you legalize SSM, it's no longer staying in the bedroom.  It's now in the community.

You are the culmination of incoherence, sex between consenting adults is legalized, yet it is expected to stay in the bedroom, especially in the kind of society you desire (assumption).
Yet homosexuality becomes 'public' when legalized and that does pose a problem?..

Ridiculous.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Thud
You are the culmination of incoherence, sex between consenting adults is legalized, yet it is expected to stay in the bedroom, especially in the kind of society you desire (assumption).
Yet homosexuality becomes 'public' when legalized and that does pose a problem?..

Ridiculous.

I don't have the slightest idea what you are trying to say.

Sorry.

[Dowding]

Schools are forbidden to indoctrinate children into a system of values based on religion- and I accept that as valid.

You don't have religious schools in the US? Like the Catholic or Church of England schools over here?

Frankly, schools should be a place of tolerance, teaching pupils about other religions (both in the faith based sense of the word and its secular 'way of life' definition). Then they can make an informed opinion.

If people want to indoctrinate their kids, they should do it at home or piss off out of the country.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Dowding
You don't have religious schools in the US? Like the Catholic or Church of England schools over here?

Frankly, schools should be a place of tolerance, teaching pupils about other religions (both in the faith based sense of the word and its secular 'way of life' definition). Then they can make an informed opinion.

If people want to indoctrinate their kids, they should do it at home or piss off out of the country.

Those are private schools, not public.

[Thud]

Originally posted by Martlet
I just did.

By teaching my children that what goes on in your bedroom is your business teaches them tolerance.

By teaching my children that homosexuality isn't deviant behavior, but is the same as heterosexuality, goes against some people belief systems.

It isn't deviant behavior, it just isn't the same as heterosexuality. What would you like to teach them exactly?

And I mean exactly...

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Thud
It isn't deviant behavior, it just isn't the same as heterosexuality. What would you like to teach them exactly?

And I mean exactly...

It is deviant behavior.  You obviously are confused about the definition of "deviant".

[Thud]

Originally posted by Martlet
It is deviant behavior.  You obviously are confused about the definition of "deviant".

Or perhaps you are. I always interpret 'deviant' as 'different from existing norm(s)'. That hardly qualifies homosexuality as deviant these days, perhaps from your own perspective but that could hardly be called objective.