To be PC, or not to be PC....

[Steve]

well, I'm glad you remember them because I am drawing a blank.

Get all dense on you?  Dude, you've known me how long?  We both know I have my "dense" moments.  

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by lazs2
Oh... sabaro... How do you feel about rap?  I don't listen to it as it isn't "music" in my mind. A lot of today's youth seem to love it though and they swear it to be music. I'm not into disco or punk either. I guess my parent's didn't really like it when I'd  ocassionally listen to Led Zeppelin. Seems each generation has to out do the previous in shock value.
you should be on a personal campaign to rid the world of it no?Poor analogy. Why should I? Someone playing rap or any music for that matter is not the same as one using labels dehumanizing individuals. Someone coming to my face and calling me derogatory names/labels should not get surprised that I don't react in a favorable way. That same person all of a sudden start playing a rap song wouldn't bother me.

lazs

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by BGBMAW
ha ha saburo..why do i say i didnt read posts..so if i go over same thing that soemones lese said ..i would get.."dude..we said that"..Fair enough.


btw..Assault wepaons...THE BASIC THING ..THEY ARE NOT SEMI-AUTOMATIC ONLY!!..THATS the difference..No duh! Keep ranting, but don't blow a head gasket.

funny you say hard to read ..but you can reply no problem..

lose sleep over it..please..maybe in your dreams...I sleep quite well at night, but thank you for caring.

again in 1935 full autos-OR SELECT FIRE.. were banned for normal citizens..Nevada you can still aplly but..the rest...

and i was just pointing out the "biasis" that could be extracted from your "Horror of USBominG"..which I know it was.. but anyways...

and so f Hortluund ..and hell..F u too..Dude, didn't know you wanted to F*** me and Hortlund...ewwww. So, you Bi or Gay? That's ok, don't care how you swing. None of my concern.

where is there a meltdown?...I really do want to physically punish morons..is that so bad?..Dotn you spank your kids when they do somthing the have been told not to do?...maybe maybe not..When you get going, it appears to be a meltdown. Kind of like a 10 car pileup accident on the freeway hoping for survivors. BTW, you're not our parent to "spank" us.

but to here the Liberal Linguine spinned bioches cry about "assaulT weapons" --" no war for oil"--Bush is Hitler" capatilist wan tto kill you"...rich get richer poor get poorer" its such a load of crap..

I will not let them get away with it...Oh, you're such a stud! Can I have your autograph, you caped crusader of justice! How about you go over to Iraq and fight? You'll even get your own assault rifle.

You know..you keep repeating lies enuff..people will beleive them..

I am here ..every so often to say..LIAR...very simple...True, but better REALLY know the truth so you have a gauge to go by.


Ya..you have  a neat little story .....

Saburo..I suppose you donate to the Democratic Party In California..If you do..you are a puke...They are trashing  this state....And you would be very wrong.

Barbara Boxer..Burton-Feinstein..Palosi....they are scum...the chik from Oakland...Disgusting maggotsUnfortunetly, most politicians are. They go in wanting to make positive changes but once in office, they seem more interested in campaigning for the next election rather than doing their job. Goes for Republicans as well as Democrats. Oh BTW, I don't like Feinstein at all.

SanFrancisco pays for its employees Sex Changes..Yeah, I don't like that policy either..wtf is tht BS..They should get there assses kiked...

We pay 1 million for a heart transplant of a convicted felon...and deny it to USEFUL -PRODUCTIVE Californians.....Yeah, I don't like that policy either.

Disgusting...Agreed.

PC is Bullsheite...and when did I ever say..when it fits me im cool with it... You inferred it by your argument/complaint.

and hell..how about you brought this up..show me more good then bad PC ?Okay, the following I consider bad: Having seperate restrooms, dining areas, seats, entrances based on race. Excluding the right to vote based on race/sex. Labeling others in a demeaning way because of their race/sex. Classifying others as inferior based on race/sex. Not allowing others a fair shot at education because...., being beaten up......being lynched.......not getting a shot at all at a business contract.....
Bottom line, used to be that if you were not a white male, you never got an equal shot at anything, usually were actually excluded from competing at all. Used to not be able to participate in organized professional sports such as MLB, NBA, etc. We've come a long ways thanks to being PC.

I'll agree that is some areas (McDonalds being fined $1,000,000,00 because their coffee was too hot!!!) that our society is going overboard. On the whole, we've come out better than worse.


If its easy for you to say im in an asylum.I know you're not in an asylum. You just seem so over the top in your responses. Do you actually talk like that to others in real life? .so you dont have to answer truthfully.I always try to answer as honestly as I can. .thats up to you and your "utopia" life

Love
BiGB
xoxo

[mietla]

by SaburoS
Poor analogy. Why should I? Someone playing rap or any music for that matter is not the same as one using labels dehumanizing individuals.

You've never listened to rap and its lyrics, have you?

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by ravells
Funked asked, 'Which racial epithets did he use exactly?'

Well Funked, that's the delicious Mr Blackness of it all.  

He'll write off an entire major religious group (at least hundreds of millions of people) as 'cowardly' and 'savages' - the latter indicating that he's really talking about Arabs rather than Muslims, but he'll draw the line at using racial epithets (how noble).

He says, 'There [sic] people have caused more harm to my people in the last 50 years its just sick.'

Thus carefully stepping around the holocaust - so he doesn't have to write off Germans as savages, or the many European nations which had pogroms preceeding that.

Priceless.

Ravs

Yeppers sell your PC bullchit to the families of the marines killed today !
I bet they have nothing but Love in there hearts for those poor old muslims.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by mietla
You've never listened to rap and its lyrics, have you?

I try to avoid it when possible, it's not for me. Not my taste in music.
Apples and oranges. If someone sat next to me and started listening to Rap music he liked would not offend me as much as that same person sitting next to me and started dressing me down because of my race. I would tolerate the first example, I would not the second one. I don't go around insulting others based on race, I expect the same courtesy.

[LAWCobra]

Originally posted by SaburoS
I don't go around insulting others based on race, I expect the same courtesy.

And that sir Is called good old manners.
As adults most of us learn that but sorry to say some dont.


But on the other hand I will call A murdering muslim just that.
I do not look down at an Iraqi as being less than me.
Indeed all man are egual as I see it.

But some chose a path of hate a nd voilence towards my country and its people.
To wich I will form an opinion of them that Is most negetive to be sure.

Also as a person of some jewish desent I have my other reasons for disliking the muslims of the world.

They teach hate in there mosque right!
Have you ever heard a priest or rabbi say go out and start a holy war against
those people! LOl Come on get real.

They are WACKED !! And they attacked our country and for that I am greatly offended:mad:

As Im sure alot of Americans are.
And then on top of that we see images of our people being dragged behind trucks and hung for display while these
"muslim" jump up and down Like YES savages.

Yep Im mad as h ell and I think Its time for some real payback!:aok

[Twist]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
LOL
You should have named him Victor Charles.  

Dammit Funked....get your bellybutton down here and help me cleanup this mess. Milk and Shredded Wheat, all over my keyboard, thanks *******.

[ravells]

Originally posted by LAWCobra
Yeppers sell your PC bullchit to the families of the marines killed today !
I bet they have nothing but Love in there hearts for those poor old muslims.

I hope they they don't think an entire religious group are 'cowardly savages' because some people who happen to be from that religious group consider themselves at war with us.

No, I'd expect that most of them are probably a little more intelligent about these issues than you are.

As you are a person of jewish decent, you may want to ask some questions of your own people as to why the have been for years, bulldozing down the houses of people who are not of their faith and building settlements on their land.

They teach hate in there mosque right!
Have you ever heard a priest or rabbi say go out and start a holy war against
those people! LOl Come on get real.  

I'm very surprised that you have such in depth knowledge about what is said in Mosques all over the world.  I suppose you must visit them regularly?

Ravs

[lazs2]

saburu... you are being very fuzzy headed about this.   It's ok to sing or "rap" certain words but not say em in everyday conversation... it's all too confusinmg to me and I guess the best policy is to avoid being around or working with or living near minorities as much as possible..

PC promotes racism... Steve is right.   I don't have any black friends.. they are all too different than me.   I have Mexican and asian ones but they are not trying to sue me for words.

I have no interest in knowing people who have a "black culture"... They were born right here and raised just like I was... they want to be seperate then I will give them their wish.

If they are at the range with me shooting and acting like American humans then I will probly strike up a conversation with them and share guns, ammo and conversation....  If they show up wanting a job and not speaking an english that I understand or looking like a gangbanger or arfrican prince... I will pretend that they have a chance and then cross out their name.

lazs

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by lazs2
saburu... you are being very fuzzy headed about this.

My point is all about context and how it's used. When listening to music I rarely listen to the words as I tune them out. That would go for any type of music that I listen to for entertainment. Do you listen to rap? You seem the expert. I really don't care about lyrics in a song recording. You know what? You sure seem to be a bit over sensitive  about this "PC" thing. Instead of addressing the issues at hand, you want to bring in excuses that somehow justify your actions of using racial epithets. You want to keep using those words in negative ways, go right ahead (freedom of speech and all), just spare me the whine of an apples and oranges example of "Well, what about them?"  It's all about the perception of those in power. Those that control who gets the best positions and salary. The day minorities inhabit a proportionate #'s in politics and big business, will be the day I'll worry about "their" speech. Racism gets its sting from being used by those perceived as being in power.  
It's ok to sing or "rap" certain words but not say em in everyday conversation...Not the same thing, even remotely. Have you been truly victimized because of rap? You losing sleep over its lyrics? You fail to concentrate on your job because ot it?    

it's all too confusinmg to me and I guess the best policy is to avoid being around or working with or living near minorities as much as possible..So, you would actually go to the trouble of avoiding people because of the words and language you want to continue to use (knowing full well that it's insulting and degrading to certain people) rather than change your language altogether, now that's confusing.

PC promotes racism... Steve is right. In this case, you and he are wrong. You got it backwards. Political correctness was born because of racism in everyday life of minority Americans who happen to not be white.
  I don't have any black friends.. Geez, it wouldn't be because they wouldn't be offended and degraded by your speech pattern would it?? That's hardly surprising.
 they are all too different than me.   I have Mexican and asian ones but they are not trying to sue me for words.So, you've actually been sued for your speech? Or are you just using another out of context example to "justify" your racially degrading language.

I have no interest in knowing people who have a "black culture"... They were born right here and raised just like I was...Here's the rub as it wasn't the same: You aren't reminded of your skin color everywhere you go in mainstream America. You don't have to be a "suspected" shoplifter when you step into stores, all because of your skin color. When going in for a job interview, you don't have to be extra qualified because you have a different skin color. Imagine going through that for your whole life and say "Yeah baby, isn't America wonderful!?" Wouldn't you look at life here differently than you now do?
 they want to be seperate then I will give them their wish. Yeah, blame "them" for your attitudes. Don't hold yourself responsible at all. It's all their fault the way you are. I'm surprised you aren't the stronger individual here.

If they are at the range with me shooting and acting like American humans then I will probly strike up a conversation with them and share guns, ammo and conversation....  If they show up wanting a job and not speaking an english that I understand or looking like a gangbanger or arfrican prince... I will pretend that they have a chance and then cross out their name.That should go for anyone of any race, no?

lazs [/B]

[Steve]

PC promotes racism... Steve is right. In this case, you and he are wrong. You got it backwards. Political correctness was born because of racism in everyday life of minority Americans who happen to not be white.

YOU are wrong.  PC promotes racism, among other things.   In many organizations, if two job  candidates are equally qualified for a position and one happens to be a minority, the minority will get the job.  Often this is done for fear of a discrimination lawsuit and/or to fill a quota.  It's racism against white people.
Certain Universities require lower SAT score for minorities, causing openings to not be available for higher scoring white people.
This is more racism against white people for the sake of being PC.
Do you want more examples?

Tell me again,  how  does PC not promote racism?

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Steve
YOU are wrong.  PC promotes racism, among other things.   In many organizations, if two job  candidates are equally qualified for a position and one happens to be a minority, the minority will get the job.  Often this is done for fear of a discrimination lawsuit and/or to fill a quota.  It's racism against white people.
Certain Universities require lower SAT score for minorities, causing openings to not be available for higher scoring white people.
This is more racism against white people for the sake of being PC.
Do you want more examples?

Tell me again,  how  does PC not promote racism?

Affirmative action was used to "level the playing field" so to speak. Affirmative action is a far cry for the total EXCLUSION of non-whites from jobs, schools, ect. that used to be. Affirmative action usually only affects a fraction of the majority that score on the lower end of the acceptable scores.
Good thing that the roles are not 100% reversed and that whites be EXCLUDED from everything.
Up until a few generations ago, if you were a white male, you had the most preferential of treatment and opportunity free of competition from minorites and women. The best of everything was open to competition to white males only. Everyone else was excluded. Things slowly started changing in the mid '60's.
Don't blame the minorities for wanting their share of the pie. Blame the racist exclusionary policies of our nation's past that ensured the disparity.
PC is good for the most part.

[Steve]

OK Saburo,   I'm going to ask you again, explain to me how PC does not promote racism.

How does lowering SAT scores for one ethnic group over another make anything "level"?

[Tarmac]

The government can fix racism.

Racism can fix racism.

Try not to laugh.