Author Topic: Fighting Breaks out Against Syria and Iran!! (Read 2071 times)

Westy · « **Reply #45 on:** April 16, 2004, 02:52:03 PM »

"You done yet?"

Not as much as you are.

Turn em over men. He's starting to blacken too much on that side...

( ~~Dr YO, Thrawn and others Well said and beers on me)~~

AKIron · « **Reply #46 on:** April 16, 2004, 02:53:32 PM »

The only war on terrorism we'd need would be the one within our borders, which by the way we could then afford to secure. Much as I see this as an ideal to be sought, I know it will never happen. Likely it's one of those things like communism, looks good on paper.

Bodhi · « **Reply #47 on:** April 16, 2004, 02:53:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
....And NATO has one clear and obvious purpose: agression against Russia and it's allies.....

LOL, yeah like the former Soviets are a threat anymore... your country could not field forces for a week without going into dire straits over simple issues such as supply. Let alone think of what will happen with your lack of training and lack of maintenance... yeah, NATO is quaking in their boots over the Soviet Bear threat!

LMFAO

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Originally posted by Boroda
....Europe is working on it's own armed forces, independant from the US....

Yeah, that is going to happen.... who do you suppose will pay for it, and gee, who will run it? The Krauts are a great choice, but do you suppose Holland, Norway, Belgium, Poland are all going to throw their support behind that.... fat chance... to top it off, unless the Brits, Norway, and Belgium go in (not gonna happen) then it is a worthless force with no real bite... keep dreaming Boroda, I know it is hard for you to give up your commie mindset of annihilating the US, but you'd do better hoping to win the Commonwealth of Independant State Lottery....

2stony · « **Reply #48 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:45:35 PM »

Originally posted by DoctorYo:

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And with what army do we expect to fight this war with..

Hasn't Bush been talking about re-instituting the draft? That will get him re-elected for sure.

Nilsen · « **Reply #49 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:47:31 PM »

Torque · « **Reply #50 on:** April 16, 2004, 05:05:10 PM »

Silly Iranian twit trying to nationalize his country's resources, who was he trying to kid anyhow.

Pei · « **Reply #51 on:** April 16, 2004, 08:12:30 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Bodhi, when you get that big US Army surplus boot out of your mouth, read this:

http://www.eurunion.org/legislat/Defense/esdpweb.htm

http://www.tgarden.demon.co.uk/writings/articles/2001/010831bodo.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2574625.stm

France already has one fixed-wing carrier, and plans are drawn up for three more. One more for France, one for the UK and one for Germany in the near future. The French and British are now in the process of working out joint design and production of a European carrier force.

Edit: The European Air Force will be the largest air force in the world, second only to China.

"The EU nations together have elements of all of these air power capabilities. They field some 3235 combat aircraft with a total air force manpower of 380,000. If the NATO non-EU members are added (Czech Republic, Hungary, Iceland, Norway, Poland and Turkey) the numbers rise to 4281 combat aircraft and 530,000 men."

Having the numbers is not the same as being able to use the elements as coherent service. We can't even manage to sort out our agricultural policy, how the hell are we going to organize an Air Force?

History tells us that Europe cannot organize a piss-up in a brewery let alone a modern war-machine.

NATO was created because of the weakness of western (i.e. Democratic) Europe after the war and continues to exist because Europe is not willing to take the strain of looking after itself and it's interests: we would much rather have our welfare states than spend money to build a useful military.

Of the European countries only the UK and France can deploy forces for significant "war-fighting" (to use a horrible american expression) outside their own borders and only then with the support of the US military. Since France is not willing to follow US policy it's forces stay at home or are sent as small detachments, the UK Forces on the other hand have become mere auxilliaries to the US forces: well trained and motivated perhaps, but nowhere near as well equipped or supplied and totally dependent on the parent force for deployment and support.

-tronski- · « **Reply #52 on:** April 16, 2004, 08:19:23 PM »

Iran steps in to mediate Iraq crisis as Sadr softens tone

Shifty buggers those Iranians.....invading Iraq with officials!!!!

Tronsky

storch · « **Reply #53 on:** April 16, 2004, 08:40:09 PM »

As I said in another post, the region, then N. africa. It only makes sense, 100 years lapse in manifest destiny is much too long. H.G. Wells is turning like a piggy on a spit I dare say. *Storch beams gleefully* Good news indeed.

Pei · « **Reply #54 on:** April 16, 2004, 08:48:50 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Pei, perhaps you should read the second link. Pay special attention to the "Medium Term European Air Power Integration" part.

They can plan all they want. It is not going to be much use because

A) It assumes that Europe will agree on foreign policy (see the last two years for examples of why this won't happen).

B) Almost every joint European venture ends up in squabbling, incompetence, waste and enough red tape to go to the Sun and back.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #55 on:** April 16, 2004, 09:59:38 PM »

So why dont you sign up for the military storch. If you want america to become an imperial power once again we will need more troops.
Or are you just a coward that will gladly watch others die for your own agenda.

Bodhi · « **Reply #56 on:** April 16, 2004, 10:00:42 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Bodhi, when you get that big US Army surplus boot out of your mouth...

Well there GS, you seem to know all... what is astounding is that you are not leading the EU's long term projections for a sizable military force that will rule the earth for eons....

Tell ya what Mr. Smarty, as Pei already put it, you can have all the numbers you want, but it means pizzle when you can not cooperate or project that force. The EU, WILL NEVER agree on a foreign policy, shared expense, or a common goal. Europe has always, and will always remain as squablers that will not find a common ground. Sadly, people such as you will continue to spout out how the world should be and will be, but in the end, you'll end up going down as knotheads that blow hard.

Maybe you'll learn, but I doubt it, that snobby eurotrash attitude is too firmly engrained in your pea brain.

storch · « **Reply #57 on:** April 16, 2004, 11:54:16 PM »

The US is the supreme EVERYTHING in the world, hell we are the world. You want a new world order? guess what we are it. now go back in line, shut up and beg for aid like everyone else.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 17, 2004, 12:02:13 AM »

So, is everyone agreeing that I was right about this? Even before these reports came out?

storch · « **Reply #59 on:** April 17, 2004, 12:49:49 AM »

I dunno but it was a great opportunity.