Author Topic: Is Kerry a hero? (Read 4495 times)

anonymous · « **Reply #135 on:** July 29, 2004, 04:49:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
No worries... I was thinking about Navy in particular. We had a few guys that seemed to spend a good amount of their time cleaning up and painting, but when the alarms sounds, they drop the sponges and get to their battle station.

that and most who arent Sailors have no idea how dangerous environment warship can be even when not in combat. they also have no idea how much hard work involved being on any warship.

anonymous · « **Reply #136 on:** July 29, 2004, 04:51:14 PM »

anyone else find it really funny that kerry bent over backwards saying military service of president dont matter when clinton was running for office of president? now a bunch of democrat trying to make this a huge matter of importance?

midnight Target · « **Reply #137 on:** July 29, 2004, 04:54:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
You mean these guys?

No, I mean his crew.

Martlet · « **Reply #138 on:** July 29, 2004, 04:58:26 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
No, I mean his crew.

None of those guys were his crew? Who is his crew?

anonymous · « **Reply #139 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:03:52 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
The Republicans are just lashing out because they have NOTHING to counter Kerry's military service record.
I can really see this happening at the RNC:

"President Bush had an emotional reunion with buddies from Ground School Class H-172. The members slapped each other on the back and recalled the harrowing moments in class before turning in their homework. "I had a paper cut" one of the members recalled, "I was bleeding slightly, but George reached out and gave me a linen hankey to stop the bloodflow. He saved my life."

what kind of fighters were you trained to fly in the air force dude?

SaburoS · « **Reply #140 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:10:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
1. You discredited my source, I told you where you can find one you are happy with. My job isn't to keep throwing up sources until your hair tingles. There were 6200 to choose from. Knock yourself out.

2. I don't know. Neither do you. All we can do is read what others say and speculate.

1) You claimed it was common knowledge then linked an uncommon source. I even quoted your own linked article on how even a 'senior Republican strategist' didn't even know it which you referred to as "common knowledge." I'm not discrediting your source at all as it doesn't prove your "common knowledge" statement.
You care to post a link that would better show it to be common knowledge? I'll settle for one as the one you linked doesn't.

2) Agreed, we don't know. The only ones that know for sure are those that actually served with Kerry, his crew. Those that weren't with him on those missions would be speculating as well, including his CO's.

This is what I personally see in Kerry(BTW, I'm not a big supporter of his- I just think he's going to win in November, hence my $20. bet):

1) For his action in saving the life of a fellow soldier...Hero in my book.

2) Symbolicly throwing away 'his' medals in protest (but actually keeping them) is hypocritical.

There are many other instances that make me go "hmmmm, I wonder" but I don't have the facts. That's why I'm asking questions here. I want to know the truth. So far not finding the facts to support most charges.

midnight Target · « **Reply #141 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:11:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
None of those guys were his crew? Who is his crew?

No, these guys were his crew.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-cvn-band-of-brothers,1,1001806.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

Oh ... Here's some more

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The only of Kerry's crewmates to criticize him, Steve Gardner, yesterday said Kerry ``made indecisive moves'' that put their boat in jeopardy.

ONE! Out of .... well more than one.

Shuckins · « **Reply #142 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:12:41 PM »

Just a question for those who are military veterans and would know:

Is it possible for a soldier to put in for medals for himself? I thought any such recommendation had to come from his senior officer?

If so, how common a practice is this?

Martlet · « **Reply #143 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:14:15 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
1) You claimed it was common knowledge then linked an uncommon source. I even quoted your own linked article on how even a 'senior Republican strategist' didn't even know it which you referred to as "common knowledge." I'm not discrediting your source at all as it doesn't prove your "common knowledge" statement.
You care to post a link that would better show it to be common knowledge? I'll settle for one as the one you linked doesn't.

Fine. It's not "common knowledge". It's still fact.

Martlet · « **Reply #144 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:16:29 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
No, these guys were his crew.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-cvn-band-of-brothers,1,1001806.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

Oh ... Here's some more

ONE! Out of .... well more than one.

So weren't the guys in the photo I linked to. Just because you don't like the truth, doesn't make it any less true.

SaburoS · « **Reply #145 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:24:50 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
anyone else find it really funny that kerry bent over backwards saying military service of president dont matter when clinton was running for office of president? now a bunch of democrat trying to make this a huge matter of importance?

I recall seeing Bush's Air National Guard service being played before the 2000 election as Clinton didn't have any military service at all. That comparison benefitted him at the time. Now that he has an opponent that has a 'stronger' military background, why do they seem so intent on ignoring Bush's service history?
I take it you find it equally funny on both of these accounts, right? I mean obviously you're talking about how biased 'those people' are and you're not.
Welcome to the wonderful world of politics, if you can't beat him, attack him with a vengence.
Both sides play that game. Republican and Democrat.

SaburoS · « **Reply #146 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:27:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Fine. It's not "common knowledge". It's still fact.

The only fact that i see is someone making a statement, but not furnishing proof.
I'll agree that it may be fact, but then again it might not be. Again, we don't know.

anonymous · « **Reply #147 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:30:30 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
I recall seeing Bush's Air National Guard service being played before the 2000 election as Clinton didn't have any military service at all. That comparison benefitted him at the time. Now that he has an opponent that has a 'stronger' military background, why do they seem so intent on ignoring Bush's service history?
I take it you find it equally funny on both of these accounts, right? I mean obviously you're talking about how biased 'those people' are and you're not.
Welcome to the wonderful world of politics, if you can't beat him, attack him with a vengence.
Both sides play that game. Republican and Democrat.

i dont remember anyone making big deal about bush jr being in national guard. show me some examples and refresh my memory? and kerry is quotes as saying that military service not matter for pres when clinton was being questioned about his service in england. you dont find hipocritical that all of a sudden democrat think military is important? most democrat politician dont give a damn about military or intelligence services. only reason they care right now is their candidiot is a vn veteran. a vn veteran who lied about his brothers in arms for political gain.

Wotan · « **Reply #148 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:33:08 PM »

Kerry is no more a hero then he is a "war criminal". Some of you seem to overlook the fact the guy came out of Vietnam and admitted to participating in what he termed "war crimes".

Like every thing else the tard wants to have it every way and Sunday.

Doing your duty doesn't make you a hero. Had he ran and left his shipmate then he would have been derelict in his duty.

Martlet · « **Reply #149 on:** July 29, 2004, 05:42:46 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
The only fact that i see is someone making a statement, but not furnishing proof.
I'll agree that it may be fact, but then again it might not be. Again, we don't know.

Like I said. 6200 sources citing it, not one saying it isn't true. Including wikopedia

And as to our last point, let's just take it straight from the horse's mouth:

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As a lieutenant junior grade, Kerry skippered a CTF-115 swift boat, a light, aluminum patrol vessel that bore a passing resemblance to PT-109. He thought he'd arranged to avoid combat.

"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," he later would tell the Boston Globe. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling, and that's what I thought I was going to do."

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