conspiracy theory on history channel..

[lazs2]

whitehawk... not the warren commission but the witnesses.... oswalds co workers... they drove him to work that morning with a package that would hold a rifle.... they seen him go up to the floor with the "package"   they heard the shots...

the shots were fair to middling good shots not even particularly lucky shots.    the bullets all acted like real bullets would and they came from the rifle found in the window of the book depository that just happened to be Oswalds.

No other creditable proof of any other shot from any other direction.

and most of all.... After all these years.... no one is taking credit for it.

lazs

[vorticon]

if amateur detectives who wernt even born at the time can see through the CIA "cover up" its a wonder you arnt speaking russian...

[cpxxx]

I was firmly convinced that Oswald shot Kennedy by the Dicovery channel programme which showed a man in his seventies getting off three aimed shots from a Carcano. Oswald was a young man with Marine training. He shot Kennedy, end of story.

But why? Maybe there was a conspiracy. I doubt if he decided to do it alone.  I think it's quite likely that other people were involved. We'll never know but we can be sure Oswald shot JFK and was probably the only shooter.  That is the most likely truth.

[lazs2]

I don't know or even really care if it was a conspiracy or not.   Oswald was in the room where the rounds were fired from his rifle.   He then ran away and was later captured.

lazs

[Elfie]

I saw a series of shows on the History channel a couple years ago about the JFK assasination. In one of them a photograph of the grassy gnoll was enhanced using computer technology. The photo clearly showed someone up on the grassy gnoll.

I have never heard that Oswald was an expert marksman. I have always heard that he was a mediocre marksman by Marine standards.

As far as the magic bullet theory goes, it had to break Kennedy's skull, then break a rib in Connaly, then break Connally's wrist, then enter his leg, all this from a bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps. Iirc the majic bullet was relatively undamaged.....after breaking at least 3 bones, I find that a bit hard to believe even considering it had a full metal jacket.

What do I believe about the JFK assasination? I believe we havent been told the truth, nor will we ever be told the truth.

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Sigh.  So much naivete...so little time.


Fourth, that bullet, after exiting just below his right nipple, came to rest in his leg, its velocity largely spent.  Oh, and by the way, bullets often DO fall out of wounds in just such a manner as has been described in Connelly's case.  I have found pieces of spent bullets on the back side of deer that have been shot.

Lastly, I have not, in any of my posts, denied that there might have been a conspiracy.  The shooting of Oswald by Ruby provides circumstantial evidence of a possible Mob connection.

Nevertheless, there has never been any proof that there was a second shooter.

Your facts are not correct, after the bullet exited from Connelly's chest it struct his wrist (shattering the bone) then struck and came to rest in his leg.  

For what it’s worth, I was a combat medic in the 5th Special Forces in VietNam from November 1967 to May 1969.  I have both seen and treated gunshot cases.   As part of the medical training  for Special Forces Medics at that time the Army had us intern in major US cities prior to deployment.  I spent 6 months training for care of gunshot wounds in the Downtown Hospital in Harlem, New York City, NY .  When I was being trained, I saw anywhere from 2 to 5 gunshot cases a night.  And because of the history of VietNam I saw many different kinds of gunshot wounds from all kinds of weapons  and all kinds of ammo, some dating back to WWII.    I never saw a bullet that had struck bone ( the wrist is a large dense bone) that was not deformed as a result.  That doesn’t mean it can’t happen.  Just that I had never seen it and I saw a lot of gunshot wounds in VietNam.  

I also know how to read an Xray.  I have seen Xrays that are reported to be of Connelly’s shattered wrist.  The book “Best Evidence” is worth a look.  The Xray I saw contains a lot of bullet fragments ( as you would expect, if the bullet shattered the wrist bone)  The weight of the “Magic bullet” is inconsistent with the amount of bullet fragments  that were removed and some of which still remain in Connelly.

Lastly your statement that “Nevertheless, there has never been any proff that there was a second shooter”. That statement is just plain wrong.  Read the report by The House Assassinations Committee.  The findings of that committee, an official government body, charged with the responsibility of re-investigating the JFK assassination, did find that his death was the result of a conspiracy.  That two or more shooters were  responsible for the assassination.  They re-looked at the evidence and found proff of a conspiracy.

[WhiteHawk]

Then, lets say you are right, Oswald did it..then we go down the path a bit further and my overactive conspiracy craked pod is at it again,...



 The president was murdered by a former soviet citizen -communist cuban sympathizer from a snipers nest that should have been swept, cleared and maintained throughout the parade.  
  The 'no conspiracy' policy by the warren commission also ruled out these possibilities without ever considering them....

1.) the secret service agent in charge of the presidents security was involved in the assassination representing either cuba or the USSR.  Was he ever investigated or repremanded for his horrific and possibly criminal failure?  How could any investigator simply cast this possibility out as 'ho-hum' and 'anybody could have an off day'?
2.)Lee Oswald was acting on behalf of the USSR or Cuba and part of a larger organization within the USA promoting the communist agenda.  After all, how many common folk, (non-spies) went from being a US citizen to a USSR citizen back to a US citizen during the cold war?  My conspiracy cracked brain would venture to guess, not many, if any besides Lee H Oswald.  

 I'll admit, it probably is a personal mental defect of mine, I guess my boring old job,my 2.3 kids, my 96 beers per week, is just a little drab for my liking.  Maybe Id just like to think that there is an 'underworld' cloak and daggar crowd with ambitions of world domination and the hidden little wars that would take place if it were true are fascinating to me.  So , perhaps, I make it true in my own mind to liven things up a bit.

[Gunslinger]

Some of you could save yourselves a bunch of arguing and watching the show when it comes on next.

These guys recreated the shooting to the "T" using balsitic gel and human "sims" complete w/ bones.

Their bullet came out slightly warped but more or less intact.  This whole "magic bullet" stuff is crap from what I saw.  The two in the car were not seated in a row, connely was in a jump seat and slightly turned around when he got hit.  

any decent marksmen could have done what oswald did that day.

[GRUNHERZ]

So WH...

The US GOVT/CIA killed Kennedy...

The US GOVT/CIA faked the moon landings...

The US GOVT/CIA faked the 911 attacks and blamed osama...

Whats else do we poor fools not know about?

[VOR]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whats else do we poor fools not know about?

Everything around you, everything you thought was real and everything you've ever known is just a huge computer program. Welcome to the Matrix.

[Shuckins]

Presidential security went through a major shakeup after the Kennedy assassination.  Methods prior to that event were, by modern standards, somewhat lax.

While it is easy to point our fingers at the security personnel who supposedly "blew" their assignments on that fateful day, perhaps the biggest fool was Kennedy himself.  Despite the urgings of the Secret Service he insisted on riding around in a convertible.

As to the magic bullet, let me say again that it is impossible to predict what a high velocity slug will do.  There are so many differences in metallurgy between production lots of wartime ammunition, and indeed between individual rounds themselves, that it would be safe to say that no two would react the same way under similar circumstances.  Some would break into two or three large pieces.  Others would literally vaporize.  Still others would emerge almost unscathed.

Under the right conditions, a single round could also injure two or more people.

Go on the net and look up the Muchmore film.  It was shot from the left side of the limo.  Stills from it clearly show blood and brain tissue being blown up and forward, leaving no doubt that the strike came from the rear.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
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 The president was murdered by a former soviet citizen -communist cuban sympathizer from a snipers nest that should have been swept, cleared and maintained throughout the parade.  

 

if it was such a good snipers nest, why are you spouting so much "he couldnt possibly have done it from there" nonsense? all your arguments rely on the CIA being horribly inept...which is unlikely as if they were, you would be speaking russian.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by vorticon
if it was such a good snipers nest, why are you spouting so much "he couldnt possibly have done it from there" nonsense? all your arguments rely on the CIA being horribly inept...which is unlikely as if they were, you would be speaking russian.

You see now vorticon, it was a good snipers nest when it helps prove thatv the CIA was in on it.

Its a bad snipers nest when it helps prove that even a trained marksman like Oswald could not possibly have made the shots.

This is the kind of sophisticated pareallel incongrous logic that one needs to get to the bottom of these tricky CIA lies about these major lies..

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Jee Vulcan, when you say 'oswald may have gotten off more than 3 shots' you are saying, 'there may have been a conspiracy. ' Then you go on to ridicule conspiracy theroists even though you may be one of them.  
  I do agree with you thogh, people often get involved with such discussions without having educated themselves on the facts.

Yes, thats right, I'm saying Oswald was having a conspiracy with himself in conspiring to shoot faster than the pleebs of the world say he can.

Perhaps a little http://www.dictionary.com might be a wise move for you.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Shuckins

As to the magic bullet, let me say again that it is impossible to predict what a high velocity slug will do. There are so many differences in metallurgy between production lots of wartime ammunition, and indeed between individual rounds themselves, that it would be safe to say that no two would react the same way under similar circumstances.  Some would break into two or three large pieces.  Others would literally vaporize.  Still others would emerge almost unscathed.

 

Well I've seen it done.  These guys in australia did it with only slight "anomolies"

Before I watched the show I was convinced there was a second gunman and that there's no way Oswald could have made the shot.  After reading some of the "facts" it seems pretty clear to me that it is indeed possible.  6.5 seconds is a lifetime to get 3 shots off.  88 yards using a scope...cmon



phots like these have been used for years but are in fact grosly inaccurate.  JFK's wound was a little higher on the back AND he had his arm up on the side of the car resting his elbow wich changes his posture.  Same thing with connaly, he was actually slightly turned around looking back sort of PLUS he wasn't sitting directly in front of JFK he was in a jump sea, thus he was in front of and slightly to the left of JFK instead of right up next to the door.