Iran

[cpxxx]

I knew what Grun meant, no really. Because sometimes  he's...cough, ahem reasonable cough.

As for the main topic I'll simply repeat what I said in the other thread:

There are two ways of looking at this report. One is that finally Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and the rest of the neo cons have finally gone mad and have decided to make an unprovoked attack on a country with a working democracy which will not only upset the entire Islamic world but would be actively opposed by everyone else in the world including all of America's allies and most Americans AND will turn Iraq's Shiite majority from being sullen acceptors of American intervention into active hostility.

OR

It's a disinformation campaign to make Rumsfeld and co look like like a bunch of Fascists.

More like the latter but the problem is that the first scenario is almost believable.

In practical terms it's almost impossible. The US military is overstretched now. It wouldn't surprise me if there were teams in Iran at one stage but their cover is blown now.

I think it's just anti neo con propaganda.

At the same time the idea that there should be a plan in place for a military intervention in Iran is not too crazy an idea. There must be plans in place for military interventions in many countries. North Korea, Russia etc etc. It's only prudent military planning. Every eventuality needs be covered by some form of plan. Even unlikely ones like trouble in Canada or Liechtinstein. It pays to be ready.

[Flyboy]

Originally posted by babek-
Just one story - so maybe you can believe that Iran will never attack Israel:

There is one german journalist who is highly respected by the iranian mullahs, because he was with Ajatollah Khomeini in the Air France plane which brought him to Teheran after the Shah fled from Iran.

So its easy for him to get interviews in Iran. In one occasion - it was shortly before the Kuwait-war between Bush sr. and Saddam - he was in Teheran and sitting with the highest ranking mullahs, making an interview.

And then he asked "What will happen after Israel is destroyed by the arabs or by Iran?".

There was a moment of confusion while the translation was going on - then all of these mullahs break out laughing.
One of them - i think it was Rafsanjani - said that Iran needs Israel.
Israel is keeping the true enemy of Iran busy: The Arabs. And so iranian policy will never allow that Israel will be destroyed, because we know exactly who will be the next target of the arabs.

And about the direction of these missiles: I wouldnt bet that they would be pointed again Israel but surely against the capitals of the arab nations, where their radical sunnite mullahs still consider shiite muslims as heretics who should be killed.

There is a difference between official statements of the iranian mullah regime and their real policy.

One example:
When the Kuwait War started and USA was bringing the iraqui troops one defeat after the other, there were islamic volunteers of Pakistan who wanted to travel through Iran to Iraq in order to join the iraqui troops.

Officially Iran didnt sent them back when they entered iranian territory. But these "guests" were escorted by iranian military. So the convoy was first sent to Northeast Iran, where medical exams had to be made, then to south Iran and so on. This funny convoy was permanently moving through Iran until the war was over.

So - officially Iran allowed islamic volunteers to cross iranian territory - but inofficially they took care that they were not reaching Iraq.


I know iranian policy is complicated but the last thing Iran would do is an attack against Israel. The simply fact is that Iran considers the non-arab nations in the regions - like Turkey or Israel - as useful in the political war against the arabs.

but, but, but....

if iran is only pretending to hate israel, why does she send, sponser and train terrorists?

[Flyboy]

Originally posted by Staga
So where are your nukes pointing at ?

tell me staga, do you really think it matters?

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by Flyboy
but, but, but....

if iran is only pretending to hate israel, why does she send, sponser and train terrorists?

It's all part of the great game, Flyboy. They have to be seen to hate Israel and it suits them internally and externally. Every regime needs a threat, an enemy.  In truth Israel is no threat to Iran but the Arabs are.  Better to keep them sweet.

Politics is a cynical exercise at the best of times. What is the saying: 'A man can't be too careful in his choice of enemies. .Oscar Wilde  

It's a game.

[Flyboy]

i thought its "keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer."

back to topic.
so whats your point? you trying to justify their attacks on israel?

if ill continue your line of thought, lets say iran is attacked by a certien country, arabic or christian.
one of the first things iran will do is attack israel.

[soda72]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well what I really want saw, and the rest of you who piled on me to explain is why you all automatically assumed that I would support an attack on Iran?

I have clearly stated on many occasions that I am against such a war, yet to man every one of you euros - always so eager to criticize me as a "black/white" absolutist thinker automatically assumed the opposite..

Considering the number of times I clearly stated my opinion about attacking Iran or North Korea I'm surprised about what u guys did in this thread..  

Why?  Inmstinct? Going after another attempt to be self righteus?

LOL yep ..  

you bring the worst out of them gunn..

[Naso]

Originally posted by Flyboy
i thought its "keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer."

back to topic.
so whats your point? you trying to justify their attacks on israel?

if ill continue your line of thought, lets say iran is attacked by a certien country, arabic or christian.
one of the first things iran will do is attack israel.

For a better understanding of the discussion, I have no infos on Iran attacks on Israel.

Info please?

[Flyboy]

you miss understood me naso, i did not ment iranian people phisicly attack israel, but as i said in a previews post, the sponser train, and basicly have control a big part of the terrorists that attack israel.

[babek-]

Originally posted by Flyboy
but, but, but....

if iran is only pretending to hate israel, why does she send, sponser and train terrorists?

Why Israel delivered the Islamic Republic of Iran highly needed spare parts for its F-4 Phantom-fleet during the Iran-Iraq-War ?
Without Israel our air force wouldnt been able to gain air superiority during the counter offensives which pushed the arab hordes of Saddam out of Iran.

Why the USA, GB and other european countries supported Saddam Hussein - even after he butchered iraqui kurds during Iran-Iraq-War ?

Why the CIA trained a mujaheddin called Osama Bin Laden, so he could fight effectively against the soviet occupation army of Afghanistan ?

Why Israel has supported lebanese terrorists during the civil war in Lebanon ?

Why the islamic Iran was supporting the christian Armenia with weapons during war of Armenia against the muslim Azerbeidjan ?

Why Pakistan was supporting the Taliban befor 9/11 in the civil war of Afghanistan ?

Why Israel helped Turkey to get the kurdish leader Oeczalan ?

Why the USA is supporting a warlord in NE-Afghanistan, who is a Saddam-like criminal and responsible for the assassination of at least 3 ministers of the Karzai regime ?


All this questions could be answered with the following sentence:

Welcome to the real world: Its called policy.

[patrone]

Yes, Nilsen, correct. Didnt read the last statement from GRUN, sorry GRUN.

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[Nilsen]

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[Gixer]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Here`s a hint. Were not starting wars, were preventing wars on our homeland.
 

LMFAO

Sounds like the kind of thing Hitler and co use to say a few years back.



...-Gixer

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Gixer
LMFAO

Sounds like the kind of thing Hitler and co use to say a few years back.



...-Gixer

So the US gov't is reminicent of the Nazi Gov't Gixer???

Man, blind hatred sure has to suck...

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Scaevola
All in all though I would rather be "Eurotrash" than "redneck/trailer park-trash".

You need to get out more if you think that is what most Americans are...

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by babek-
So its easy for him to get interviews in Iran. In one occasion - it was shortly before the Kuwait-war between Bush sr. and Saddam - he was in Teheran and sitting with the highest ranking mullahs, making an interview.

You Euros are really setting a precedence of new found ignorance by ignoring facts as usual.

Um, question for yas....  since when did the first Gulf War become all GW Bush's doing?   Last I heard, and read and saw was that it was a "UN Sponsored" invasion which is why we did not finish the job.  (nothing like the UN to shreck a wet dream and do things half-arse.)  

Come on, get it right, the US is either shrecked if we follow UN requests, and we are shrecked if we do not.  When are you Euros going to set down and come up with a medium that is not such a flip / flop...

hell, now I know why the Euros liked Kerry so much... flip / flop... flip / flop... flip / flop...