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Offline bustr

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« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2005, 07:40:13 PM »
Having been to the extream ends of alcohol and drugs like many of us have when younger, I would reserve my opinion to experence. Since each person has differing tollerences to these chemicals, it has to be accepted by the most diehard libertarian that they impare the ability to function. Once that point is reached in each individual, driving, flying a plane, using a firearm, walking, even sex can become life endangering to others.

But it is untill that threshold is passed that the person becomes a danger. Untill then each is as responsible as yourself. Question is, are you advocating from your personal experience that governemnt should just control all of our activities because it's a winning bet to say some person, some where, at some time will screw up, and you personally want the government to control down the percentage of chances you will be personally impacted?

I don't know about above the law. First I would suggest it's disingenuous of you to speak about this topic other than it seems you personaly don't like gun owners appearing to be above the law. Or citizens owning guns period. Again this goes to a mistrust of your fellow citizens who when they become members of the government dont stop being imperfect like you or me. And sometime, somewhere, will screw up in the same ways we mere normal citizens do. More often government and regulations succed in creating generations of more societly accident pron people whom you are not able to trust.
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« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2005, 07:40:49 PM »
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when was the last time a knife missed its target and killed a bystander?


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TOKYO (Reuters) - A Japanese man pulled a knife in a convenience store early Sunday morning and threatened to kill himself unless he was given a meal of the choicest sushi.    

The 68-year-old unemployed man barged into the store in the western city of Osaka after first setting fire to his nearby apartment, police said Monday. Newspapers said the man claimed he couldn't eat because his state benefit payments had been stopped.

Police overpowered the man after about an hour, during which time he ate bananas and helped himself to alcoholic drinks and vitamin supplements. Police declined to say whether he got any sushi.


I know he didn't throw the knife, but I thought this was intresting anyway.
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« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2005, 07:42:48 PM »
We get along fine without them over here! That seems to me to answer all of this. If we can do it why can't you guys!?

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« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2005, 07:48:51 PM »
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Former Student Attacks Elementary School, Slays Teacher With Sashimi Knife
(AP) Feb 15 A 17-year-old boy with a 21-centimeter (8-inch) sashimi knife stabbed a teacher to death and wounded two other adults at his former elementary school on Monday in the latest case of school violence to shock Japan.

No students were hurt in the mid-afternoon attack in Neyagawa City just outside Osaka in western Japan, said a police spokesman, Isoo Noda.
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Mitsuaki Kamozaki, a 52-year-old teacher, was declared dead at the hospital after being stabbed in the back. A 57-year-old female instructor had deep knife wounds in her stomach and a school nutritionist, 45, was also being treated for serious injuries.
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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2005, 07:52:38 PM »
Just one more...

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Sunday February 13, 11:17 AM
Knife-wielding man wanted over attempted robbery

Police are searching for a man who used a large knife in an attempted robbery in Adelaide's south-west early this morning.

Police say a man was walking along Anzac Highway at Camden Park around 2:00am ACDT when he was approached and threatened by another man wielding a large knife.


Seems to me that if Japan and Australia did not have such draconian gun laws, these guys wouldn't have to be carrying knives.
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« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2005, 07:57:31 PM »
No they'd be carrying guns instead!

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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2005, 08:01:17 PM »
Your ability to see the obvious joke is unsurpassed.
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« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2005, 08:03:12 PM »
Zulu,

Only if you can for real not your usual bull shine from this exact moment on tell me that there is never going to be a chance in H$LL that my home Toads or Laz's will be invaded, my girfreind, their wives, raped and murdered and everything I've or they have spent much of our lives building will never ever not a snow balls chance in H$LL be taken away from us!

As we know which neighborhoods in our big cities so you know what neiborhoods to go to in southern England cities and find the elderly and retirees who have no interest in what you just said because they live in fear not being able to move on fixed incomes. But then I don't think you are their age and are not really considering them since they are out of sight and mind forgotten just like ours are here in older neighborhoods living as prey to graduets of multiculteralism and ilegal imigration which is on the rise in england just like here with the exact same problems of increased crime against those who cannot defend themselves.

Youth tends to have the economic ability to migrate away from these things and then waxes rather myopic from their hand picked safe environments about the odds.
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« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2005, 08:11:30 PM »
I live in Birmingham mate. Not a very salubrious area. And I work as a youthworker in a part of the city that has just seen one guy stabbed and another assaulted. I'm in the bad bits of town every day and I still would not want to be armed and neither do I want the young people I work with getting hold of guns.

Just accept the fact that our society works ok without the need and I dont want em.

My now lengthy discussion on the topic was actualy started because I felt that nearly every thread in here ended up on the subject sooner or later. Can't we talk about something else in here!?

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« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2005, 08:44:47 PM »
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First I would suggest it's disingenuous of you to speak about this topic other than it seems you personaly don't like gun owners appearing to be above the law. Or citizens owning guns period. Again this goes to a mistrust of your fellow citizens who when they become members of the government dont stop being imperfect like you or me. And sometime, somewhere, will screw up in the same ways we mere normal citizens do. More often government and regulations succed in creating generations of more societly accident pron people whom you are not able to trust.


Of course I don't like gun owners being above the law. Does anyone want to see a specific group of people being above the law?

I don't mind citizens owning guns. However gun owners seem to think that the responsibility of owning, operating, and storing a gun in a safe fashion is nobody elses business but their own. Yet are quite happy for other laws to protect them - such as those for licensing drivers, and keeping drunks off the road.

Are you saying that gun owners know better than everyone else, and should be above any laws aimed to promote gun safety? Or are you saying that most laws in general go too far and should be scrapped, these laws include drunk driving, driver licensing, pilot licensing, air safety laws etc, only prosecuting people when problems arise (ie dropping all preventitive safetly laws).

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« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2005, 09:08:24 PM »
No need to worry gents. I've had a word with the local authorities and they assure me it'll be a cold day in hell before the N.S.W. Police come to confiscate the firearms of U.S. citizens.
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« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2005, 10:43:11 PM »
Nazi Germany:  killed 6 million unarmed Jews, often with the cooperation of their home governments.  Also murdered millions of gypsies, slavs, and other unarmed untermensch.

Soviet Union:  Stalin murdered more than 20 million unarmed Russian civilians.

Communist China:  Mao oversaw the massacre of more than 20 million unarmed Chinese civilians.

Khmer Rouge:  Pol Pot's government slaughtered 3 million unarmed Cambodian civilians.

Sudan

Iraq

Armenia


Shall I go on?

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« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2005, 07:27:51 AM »
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Ahhh yeah right lazs, 2.3% of gun owners got their guns destroyed for either not storing them properly or having no real reason for owning the type of firearm they had.

2.3%

HULLO LAZS

2.3% over two years... 1.15% per year...

You are screaming government represession over 2.3% - excuse me if you don't look like a fruitcake.


They ALWAYS start small. Remember that. One TYPE of firearm. One TYPE of firearm owner. One VAGUE REASON for confiscation.

Then another, and another, and another.

Eventually, you wake up and they've taken everything, and when they want your home, your business, your life, your friend, or your family, you'll fight back with what?


Read history. Those who do not learn from it are doomed to repeat it.
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« Reply #88 on: February 15, 2005, 07:37:55 AM »
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We get along fine without them over here! That seems to me to answer all of this. If we can do it why can't you guys!?

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Because we REFUSE to give up our rights for security. I don't WANT to give up my firearms. I will NOT give up my firearms. I will not become a SUBJECT of the government. I am self sufficient, and self reliant.



Got any idea how many privately owned firearms from the U.S. were given to the United Kingdom during World War II, so that they who had surrendered their weapons would not also have to surrender their liberty to Germany's greatest contribution to the fight AGAINST gun control, Adolf Hitler?
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« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2005, 07:41:42 AM »
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No they'd be carrying guns instead!


Around here, it is very possible that legal firearm owner in possession of a concealed carry permit and his legal firearm would have shot the knife carrying criminal and removed his threat to society.

Those of you with no firearms can run, and hope he doesn't kill your wife and children who can't run as fast as you. Maybe you can at least call the police and give them a description.:rolleyes:
I'm certain the innocent victims will certainly appreciate the effort.
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