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« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2005, 12:06:36 AM »
Just read Toad's post about his uncle who "returned back" after several years in "vegetative" state.
Do the doctors in these United States keep the statistics on such remarcable cases ?
I bet you, they don't. Because they are not very much intrested in the statistics of their mistakes.
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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2005, 12:09:39 AM »
well I'm through with this argument. I know that the US will not allow her to be starved to death, mark my words.

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« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2005, 12:09:51 AM »
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Nash, there is no excuse for starving a human to death.


Well, there may be no excuse.... but then we'd be talking in existentialistic jargon and we all know where that goes.

However, there IS law... Just ask Bush.

Spare me your poor horsey analogy. We're beyond it.

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« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2005, 12:12:04 AM »
I agree. This one of those cases where I think it will be "I don't care what the hell the letter of the law states, this will not be allowed to happen. It goes against civilized society."

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« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2005, 12:15:16 AM »
Well someone oughta tell the hospitals and insurance companies about it (in case they aren't paying attention), 'cuz this stuff happens every single day.

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« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2005, 12:15:28 AM »
If I'm ever in a like condition may God save me from civilized people.

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« Reply #96 on: March 21, 2005, 12:21:57 AM »
Ditto.

If it happens to me, do a search, print this post, and save me from those who would want to project their own weakness, ideology, sanctimony, politics, disregard, and meddling onto my souless body.

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« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2005, 12:29:05 AM »
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Well someone oughta tell the hospitals and insurance companies about it (in case they aren't paying attention), 'cuz this stuff happens every single day.


Yep...

While I do agree I'd like to see her die quickly, it won't happen. Unfortunately, public opinion (aka law makers and the average citizen) has decided that to quickly euthanize anyone is illegal.

You have bone cancer? Too bad, you have to let nature take its course, even if we can't keep you comfortable until then. Have ALS and you want to die, even after a year to think about it? Too bad...

Maybe someday we can be a society that allows voluntary or involuntary euthanasia (family decision) when reviewed by a Medical Board and only in place of a Living Will.

I hope everyone has a Living Will, it would help your loved ones with the horrible decisions no one wants to make.

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« Reply #98 on: March 21, 2005, 12:30:56 AM »
Let's drill for oil in ANWR too!

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« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2005, 12:32:55 AM »
>>While I do agree I'd like to see her die quickly, it won't happen. Unfortunately, public opinion (aka law makers and the average citizen) has decided that to quickly euthanize anyone is illegal.
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No we decided starving someone to death over two weeks is barbaric. Which part of that did you miss?

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« Reply #100 on: March 21, 2005, 12:35:26 AM »
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Genozaur the woman died in a coma after another 10 years. She didnt improve anymore than she could breathe on her own. That is not "improvement". No mental capacity = life sucks = let me die

I think pregnancy is just a bodily function that requires unconcious thought just like breathing when sleeping.


Wait, Raider. She died after another ten years, so you can't call her regaining the ability to breath on her own the improvement ? Strange logic.
And BTW, what was the actual cause of her death ? Do you know it ? It could be anything, not necessarily connected to her comatose state, an infection, for instance. But in any case a temporary improvement that lasted for ten years can be called improvement because we compare her state with her previous total dependence on the machine.

And your opinion about pregnancy as just an unconcious bodily function does not seem right to me. But here we only have your opinion against mine, and both of us are the too distant medical stars, I guess.
Anyway, it's strange to me that such interesting problems are not discussed widely enough so that we, common folks, do get at least some information on female reproductive function. Is it really just like sneazing or the girl has to have some brains for that ?
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« Reply #101 on: March 21, 2005, 12:37:50 AM »
Nobody "decided" anything about that tonight, Tweety.

It was decided in this individual case.

But tomorrow, someone's feeding tube will be removed. Within the bounds of law, it will be removed.

This is a circus, what you just saw happen tonight.

If they were against the removal of feeding tubes, there would be a law to that effect. But there is not.

So... it is Congress deciding it wants to be involved in specific legal cases. That's all. And it's retarded. (I know you love that word).

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« Reply #102 on: March 21, 2005, 12:46:38 AM »
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Her husband said it. Thats good enough for me. Unless it is shown otherwise I will take his word.

 Like I asked earlier who would want to live like that? Anyone here? Anyone want to say they would rather be like she is than just starve? Again I will say not me and not anyone I know. Starving for 2 weeks seems a pretty small price to pay to end 17 years of what looks to me to be a horrible way to live.


OK, Raider. Here it comes.
If I were a comatose woman in my reproductive years [ :eek: ] and my husband [:eek: ] wanted to have a heir to the Atamanship of Don Cossack Republic, I wouln't mind.
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« Reply #103 on: March 21, 2005, 12:52:11 AM »
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I am amazed that people exist that would allow a human to starve to death......yet a lot of the same idiots are against the death penalty and are hugging trees and crying about owls and the environment.

It's a joke and 90% of the intelligent people know it. Too bad only about 2% of the people on this earth can be considered intelligent.


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Originally posted by NUKE
I am amazed that people exist that would allow a human to starve to death......yet a lot of the same idiots are against the death penalty and are hugging trees and crying about owls and the environment.

It's a joke and 90% of the intelligent people know it. Too bad only about 2% of the people on this earth can be considered intelligent.


QUOTE]Originally posted by NUKE
I am amazed that people exist that would allow a human to starve to death......yet a lot of the same idiots are against the death penalty and are hugging trees and crying about owls and the environment.

It's a joke and 90% of the intelligent people know it. Too bad only about 2% of the people on this earth can be considered intelligent.
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« Reply #104 on: March 21, 2005, 01:26:23 AM »
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Nash, there is no excuse for starving a human to death.

If I had a horse and decided not to feed it, I'd go to prison.
That's a disingenuous argument: the reason they starve them to death is because the "life at any cost" camp - such as yourself - won't let them do it humanely. It has to be done naturally so that everyone can pull a Pilate and wash their hands of the affair.
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