Author Topic: Will ToD work or will it be another CT (Read 3600 times)

Howitzer · « **Reply #75 on:** March 23, 2005, 08:45:30 AM »

I've learned something from this thread I think:

1. Noone really knows what ToD is going to be, and that is surprising because I thought some folks actually had a good idea. Would be nice to have a pyro or hitech post about what it is going to be, entirely non-committal.

2. You guys need to get over your CT pissing match. All the arenas are set up for fun, if you get your enjoyment I think you should stay, if you don't then probably leave. Letting someone run you off only gives that person the satisfaction of victory. CT wasn't my bag, but looks like there are some folks who enjoy it, so overall I think it is a good thing.

I think we should un-hijack this thread, because I think a lot of people quit posting here about ToD because of the CT bashing topic that is present through the last 3/4 of the thread. Just my thoughts =)

Slash27 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 23, 2005, 08:56:09 AM »

I think we should un-hijack this thread,

Yep, gets out of hand quik. Im done here

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #77 on:** March 23, 2005, 09:22:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
This pissing match is GHEY.

You ladies need to start putting some ass, behind those swings.

Agreed Morph, didnt realise I was lighting a match in a gas can.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #78 on:** March 23, 2005, 11:01:28 AM »

Wow, talk about opening a can of worms.

I think this whole thread exposes the problems facing HT with ToD. The main one is how do you make it appealing to a large cross section of the user community? It's quite apparent that the CT isn't doing that.

I have not flown in the CT myself. Why? Because every time I'm on there is hardly anyone in there. It just doesn't look appealing to me to fly with those low numbers. I'd rather go to the DA.

The only way I see the mission based play working is if they are scheduled and we are already doing that in the SEA. Also, unlike RL where someone is in command, how are they going to handle that in ToD? Good missions need leaders so who gets that job? After it's been up for a while folks can achieve rank but whose going to get that role on the 1st missions? Are peeps really going to follow them without a lot of biotching? Unlikely IMO.

Air starts? Don't like it.

AI Planes? Don't like it either. Why do we want HTC spending time developing an AI system that ain't gonna be as challanging as fighting real pilots.

aztec · « **Reply #79 on:** March 23, 2005, 11:40:35 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
I never start the verbage but will gladly , joyfully respond to an assault.

Ok I gotta tell it like it is. The 1st time I met you Storch was in the CT. I was flying an LA5...can't remember what you were in. Anyway I got a couple of pings on you and sent you running for your base and the whole time you ran you cried like a little girl and threw many insults at me. Your above statement is some of the biggest BS I've ever read on this board. ~~Loudmouth.~~

humble · « **Reply #80 on:** March 23, 2005, 11:50:20 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
tell you what, why don't un-noobiate me some? impress me with your uberveteranacyness some day. if you do I will gladly eat crow. most people that know me know that I fight and seldom run and I'm not overly concerned with how often I get shot down or what my score is. I usually fly alone or at the most with my wingy N7.

I'm pretty easy to find...

Those that know me know I always fly alone (cept if squads up) never run and usually can be found in a mid war ride under 10k and could careless about "score"....like I said any time any plane anywhere....

What amazes me is that you make personal attacks about me when I cant even recall last time I ran into you. I've called you out on your attitude and conduct, both of which can be seen for what they are here and elsewhere...I truthfully dont know if your a decent stick or not...and I really could care less. What I know is you dont seem to display much class and I wouldnt be a part of any squad that tolerated guys like you and VWE....

humble · « **Reply #81 on:** March 23, 2005, 11:57:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Humble,

Until a few months ago I flew almost entirely in the CT, and to this day I can not recall ever seeing you in there. That is not to say that I dont beleive you or your opinions are invalid. I actually agree with you that the CT has problems, largely coming from a particular few who are then turned into "the CT" by the generalists here on the BBS.

I'll fight any odds and not complain, I dont vulch in the CT (MA is another story), I dont ever intentionally follow a horde or gangbang (unless its Shane who I will gang relentlessly ), and Oldman is the main member of my CT squad The Gunfighters, who's only purpose is to switch sides when things are uneven. As much as I agree with you about certain things in the CT, I'd appreciate it if you started being more specific in your condemnations and not paint us all as "gangbanging lamers".

Morph said:

Thats why Oldman is upset with you.

I only remember seeing you in the CT once, many months ago, probably close to 8-10 months ago. It was FinRus just as now. I had just taken off in an La5, and you and I think it was Yucca were VERY high in some LW plane. You to your credit asked me if I was ready, to which I replied "I'm wheels up, thats all I need, come on down". You promptly came down and shot me out of the sky twice, and then left, probably sensing I was quite a bit below your skill level and not much of a challenge.

Whats this got to do with anything? What you did, asking me if I was ready before you spanked me, is not as rare as you might think in the CT and does happen more often than some on the BBS would have have you believe. Oldman and I are somewhat the exception, we stay out of fights if it looks like its a good 1 v 1, we dont gang people, we dont vulch (again, I do in the MA, but thats different) and the two of us are a squad that our only reason for being is to switch sides to even things up, but we are not the only ones, others do it too.

I guess what I am saying is, those of you that want to criticize the CT, do so some of it is very warranted, but BE SPECIFIC and name names, and dont throw all of us into your generalities. [/B]

Gritz...

I've flown under a bunch of handles...Humble is my original handle and the one I brought over from AW in 1999. After my stint as a trainer here like many I went thru alot of "burnout" and came and went. Since you couldnt get your "old" handle back I've flown as snaphook, azhacker and 6-7 other "handles" at various times. When I signed back up in Sept (I think) I grabbed humble back then switched it to AKhumble when I decided to stick around abit and joined a squad....

There's a reason the CT doesnt get much play and you can see it from some of the regulars here...again I recognize my comments were a bit broad based and guys like you and oldman and sehob certainly dont fit in the "lamer" catagory....

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #82 on:** March 23, 2005, 12:31:21 PM »

I don't grasp the idea behind doing TOD from a developers point of view.

Clearly, it's closest option, the CT is a dismal failure given it rarely has more people in it than the deuling arena.

Why not focus on the MA with all its issues and faults. Why not improve the experience there since 98% plus of your clients are there.

I'm all for doing something but can HTC bear the weight of yet so much more code (coad) base to maintain? Why not make changes to the MA that improve gameplay in the direction that TOD might lead and bring TOD funtionality into the SEA or CT as time permits instead of bringing AH developement to a grinding halt ala AH2 for another year?

hubsonfire · « **Reply #83 on:** March 23, 2005, 12:42:12 PM »

Total waste of time

dedalos · « **Reply #84 on:** March 23, 2005, 01:04:46 PM »

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Originally posted by aztec
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Originally posted by storch
I never start the verbage but will gladly , joyfully respond to an assault.

Ok I gotta tell it like it is. The 1st time I met you Storch was in the CT. I was flying an LA5...can't remember what you were in. Anyway I got a couple of pings on you and sent you running for your base and the whole time you ran you cried like a little girl and threw many insults at me. Your above statement is some of the biggest BS I've ever read on this board. ~~Loudmouth.~~

Sounds like the first time I met Stork in the CT. Allow me to call BS on that too, please.

Storch, you are the whiniest cluelest foul loudmouth in the game (k, maybe top 5)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #85 on:** March 23, 2005, 01:31:31 PM »

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Originally posted by TrueKill
Humble with all do respect stfu.

ROFL
You just know a reply is going to be good when it starts off like this.
Two birds with one stone.
Bad spelling but a snappy backhand for a quick recovery.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #86 on:** March 23, 2005, 01:50:53 PM »

Just back to ToD question for a sec.

A couple of things came to mind last night while I was flying in the MA. I'd hooked up with a couple other 38 drivers and we were heading out towards an enemy base.

There was something really immersive about that even for that short time, with the loose formation we were in, the skins, the eye candy of the game etc. I didn't mind the flight at all even though we didn't see tons of baduns.

And that reminded me of a couple of scenario experiences going back to my AW days, when we escorted 17s deep into Germany on one flight and Ploesti on another. It was a long flight, over 3 hours if I remember right and we saw very few bad guys. The LW controllers apparently were having a bad day.

But the tension waiting to get hit, the notion of one life, watching the fuel in the tanks drop, all those bombers in formation and the 51s flying cover made for a really immersive feeling.

When the first flak bursts went off over the target, I literally jumped in my chair as I wasn't ready for it. I didn't fire my guns on either of those missions, but I loved every second of it.

If ToD can provide moments like that, I'd be more then happy.

But I'm afraid I might be in the minority on that one

Dan/CorkyJr

eilif · « **Reply #87 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:03:14 PM »

i get that feeling all the time in squad ops. in the end thats what its all about. being there doing your best and getting the mission done, not endless furbaling for the sake of it. this makes each victory memorable. solid squad ops with good brevity code is what i enjoy in any air combat game.

Grits · « **Reply #88 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:10:39 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
Gritz...

I've flown under a bunch of handles..I've flown as snaphook, azhacker and 6-7 other "handles" at various times.

Ah! I remember azhacker well!

I didnt realize that was you. I love the CT, but I agree its on life support right now and its not looking good, and its almost entirely from its player base.

SELECTOR · « **Reply #89 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:14:10 PM »

hehe storch i ran because i had about 10 rounds of ammo left.. i was in a ta152 "thanks for noticing" as you coud prob see i was attempting to land, then again maybe not, but any ways you did eventually shoot me down, WTG on that. but then i did up and shoot you down... easy peasy...please don't keep this childish rant up...anyone in this game(who knows me) will tell you i never run.. there isnt any point. i will crash before i would turn back if i had less than 3 kills..i had 4 kills in that TA thats why i RTB , sad thing is you chased me down from 30+k to get one kill... now that is an EXCELLENT tactic....