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« Reply #105 on: April 10, 2005, 03:52:54 PM »
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Here is what the site has to say about China and it's mostly unfree economy. China is listed as 112th.

Mostly unfree China

And China is not the reason Hong Kong is a free market. Hong Kong is free because they were able to develope without Chinese control and restrictions.

To say that communist China is home to the worlds most free economy is a complete farse and you know it.
So is communist China home to Hong Kong or not?
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« Reply #106 on: April 10, 2005, 03:57:29 PM »
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So is communist China home to Hong Kong or not?


Yes it is.

But guess what? China's economic freedom ranking was not blended with Hong Kongs in those statistics, was it?

Why is Hong Kong listed seperately than China for economic freedom? Why not just list China's overall ranking and include Hong Kong?

Trade Policy4.0
Fiscal Burden4.1
Government Intervention3.0
Monetary Policy1.0
Foreign Investment4.0
Banking and Finance4.0
Wages and Prices3.0
Property Rights4.0
Regulation4.0
Informal Market 3.5

Either way you slice it, China is not even close to the world's most free economy. You want to have it both ways by saying Hong Kong's market represents  all of China, yet refuse to acknowledge China's rankings as near the bottom in freedom.

How many billion people does Hong Kong have?

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« Reply #107 on: April 10, 2005, 04:05:19 PM »
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Yes it is.

But guess what? China's economic freedom was not blended with Hong Kongs in those statistics, was it?

Why is Hong Kong listed seperately than China for economic freedom? Why not just list China's overall ranking and include Hing Kong?

Trade Policy4.0
Fiscal Burden4.1
Government Intervention3.0
Monetary Policy1.0
Foreign Investment4.0
Banking and Finance4.0
Wages and Prices3.0
Property Rights4.0
Regulation4.0
Informal Market 3.5

Either way you slice it, China is not even close to the world's most free economy. You want to have it both ways by saying Hong Kong's market represents  all of China, yet refuse to acknowledge China's rankings as near the bottom in freedom.

How many billion people does Hong Kong have?
So communist China is home to the world's freest economy.

Why are they listed separately? Probably because it's one country, two systems.

Them's the breaks: I don't make the list - direct all complaints of this nature to the Heritage Foundation.

HK has about 7 million people.

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« Reply #108 on: April 10, 2005, 04:12:22 PM »
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So communist China is home to the world's freest economy.

Why are they listed separately? Probably because it's one country, two systems.

 


So I am correct, China's economy is mostly unfree while the entirely seperate economy of  Hong Kong is free.

Therefore communist China is not home to the worlds most free economy, because it is listed near the bottom according to the very statistics you are sighting. Hey, I don't make the rules

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« Reply #109 on: April 10, 2005, 04:16:53 PM »
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So I am correct, China's economy is mostly unfree while the entirely seperate economy of  Hong Kong is free.

Therefore communist China is not home to the worlds most free economy, because it is listed near the bottom according to the very statistics you are sighting. Hey, I don't make the rules

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Ahh so Communist China is now not home to Hong Kong?

You better let Mr Hu & Mr Tsang know. Won't they have egg on their faces? Good thing you cleared it for us.
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« Reply #110 on: April 10, 2005, 04:40:01 PM »
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Ahh so Communist China is now not home to Hong Kong?

 


Is communist China not the home of the economy listed as "mostly unfree"? Pretty easy to answer if you just look at your link. Oh, you have to scroll way down the list to find China, so just be patient.

I think China is listed somewhere below Zambia, Azerbaijan, Lesotho, Mozambique, Gabon, Chad, Tanzania, Honduras, Paraguay and a BUNCH of the other more well known free economies.

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« Reply #111 on: April 10, 2005, 06:44:18 PM »
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So communist China is home to the world's freest economy.



No, Hong Kong is. Communist China as a whole is listed separately for a very good reason. Your statement implies that China herself is the world's freest economy.

For some reason I have serious doubts that Hong Kong's economy would be rated this highly is Hong Kong had been under communist rule as long as the rest of China has been.
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« Reply #112 on: April 11, 2005, 01:09:40 AM »
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No, Hong Kong is. Communist China as a whole is listed separately for a very good reason. Your statement implies that China herself is the world's freest economy.

For some reason I have serious doubts that Hong Kong's economy would be rated this highly is Hong Kong had been under communist rule as long as the rest of China has been.
However it may have happened, the fact remains that Communist China is the home of Hong Kong, the world's freest economy. And has been for 8 straight years.

The separate listing reflects the "two systems" aspect.  My statement reflects the "one country" aspect: If I wanted to imply that China was the world's freest economy, I'd simply say "Communist China: the world's freest economy".

Your reading of the statement as  implying that China is the world's freest economy is entirely your own perception. It's akin to getting upset about the fact that the average American has only one testicle.

You have to pay attention to the wording, and think about it a bit, and if you got upset at first glance, perhaps wonder what aspect of you made you read the statement as something to get upset about.

If you still have trouble grasping the whole "One country, two systems" concept, you're most likely going to be in over your head on the whole Cross-Straits "One China policy" conundrum. That's far stranger.
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« Reply #113 on: April 11, 2005, 01:23:58 AM »
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If you still have trouble grasping the whole "One country, two systems" concept, you're most likely going to be in over your head on the whole Cross-Straits "One China policy" conundrum. That's far stranger.


Yeah, one country with two completely different sets of laws is completely reasonable..... :lol

Basically, a communist and oppressive government was able to aquire a free Hong Kong, and decided not to screw it up for now because they know that they would wrek Hong Kong if they imposed Chinese laws.

Communist China has nothing to do with the success of Hong Kong. If China were to place it's controls on Hong Kong, then say goodbye to Hong Kong's free economy.

In a nutshell, China is one of the most oppressive governments one earth......they suppress the human rights of more people than any other nation in the history of the world.

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« Reply #114 on: April 11, 2005, 01:27:31 AM »
Upset? Not hardly. Maybe you should choose your wording more carefully so as not to imply things you dont mean to. :p

Nuke pretty much covered the rest :)
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« Reply #115 on: April 11, 2005, 01:43:05 AM »
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Yeah, one country with two completely different sets of laws is completely reasonable..... :lol
Whereas you seem to have no problem with one country with 50 completely different sets of laws.

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Basically, a communist and oppressive government was able to aquire a free Hong Kong, and decided not to screw it up for now because they know that they would wrek Hong Kong if they imposed Chinese laws.
And this is relevant to my original statement because...?

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Communist China has nothing to do with the success of Hong Kong. If China were to place it's controls on Hong Kong, then say goodbye to Hong Kong's free economy.
And this is relevant to my original statement because...?


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In a nutshell, China is one of the most oppressive governments one earth......they suppress the human rights of more people than any other nation in the history of the world.
And this is relevant to my original statement because...?

Post all you like, Communist China has been the home of the world's freest economy for 8 straight years. And all the anti-communist rhetoric in the world isn't going to change that.

What bugs you about it so much? Let's get back to the topic in hand - Taiwan, China the PLA and the US.
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« Reply #116 on: April 11, 2005, 01:48:26 AM »
Dead, move to China if it's so great   :lol

Soon Hong Kong will be just like your beloved China. I wish you well.

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« Reply #117 on: April 11, 2005, 02:01:20 AM »
I used to not believe that I was in the upper 2% of intellects, but after seeing the percentage of dipchits who post on this BBS, I am now reconsidering my stance.

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« Reply #118 on: April 11, 2005, 03:37:10 AM »
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Dead, move to China if it's so great   :lol

Soon Hong Kong will be just like your beloved China. I wish you well.
I didn't have to move - China came to me. ;)
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« Reply #119 on: April 11, 2005, 12:51:45 PM »
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Whereas you seem to have no problem with one country with 50 completely different sets of laws.



The 50 different states are not listed separately in that report are they? To make this comparison Hong Kong and China should be listed as one economy, but they arent so the comparison is invalid :P
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