What is corner velocity for P47D11?

[SunTracker]

Oh furball, you have so much to learn...

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Shane
maybe people who can't handle being called a castrati should try bunny luv, or perhaps hearts.

for people who think they're in some online military they'd get washed out of virtual boot camp.

Shane, how old are you?  Have you ever been in boot camp?  That comment is so...clueless.

Back in the day, when I was in, somebody who acted like you do would have regular "fell down the ladder" sessions until they learned some respect.  The military is all about the group, not about an individual's ego trips.

[Furball]

Originally posted by SunTracker
Oh furball, you have so much to learn...

nope.. i am pretty pleased how i play this game.  I dont want to worry about corner speed and other crap.  i give a pretty good account of myself too...

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Furball
some people look tooooo far into this game...

its easy.  all you have to do is kill dweebs.  That is all that matters.  you go into a fight thinking "i am going to kill this dweeb" and you will!

Blah corner velocity blah blah blah...

well yes, if you only want to shoot down dweebs then that is all you need to do. If you want to shoot down a more formiddable oponent then one should learn everything they can in regards to what each plane can and can not do, wouldn't you think? but that might take too much effort, so I guess you would want to just kill dweebs..........yeah Blah this blah that, that's the spirit.......don't  offer any help, so everyone remains a dweeb......

anyone that has been in this game for more than 2 years has already read up on most info available anyhow......that is a given for the most part.


TC

[Cobra412]

I mean correct me if I'm wrong here.

One minute it doesn't matter. Then you say it isn't useless information and then you turn around later saying you were just curious to know how it'd help someone.

Your statement about it not being useless would mean that not only do you understand the subject but you also know when and how to apply it when the right time comes along. Is this not correct?

So lets back track why would you be curious about how it'd help someone if you already knew it's not useless information?

[Furball]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well yes, if you only want to shoot down dweebs then that is all you need to do. If you want to shoot down a more formiddable oponent then one should learn everything they can in regards to what each plane can and can not do, wouldn't you think? but that might take too much effort, so I guess you would want to just kill dweebs..........yeah Blah this blah that, that's the spirit.......don't  offer any help, so everyone remains a dweeb......

I cant remember the last time i lost a 1 vs 1 in MA...  so i cant be doing too badly.  Its all by instinct, i dont want to be one of these people that work out proper speed and statistics.  I just want to have fun.

Offer any help?  i am always willing to help, although i taught myself at this game so i find it very hard to teach.

[YUCCA]

Now you're stuffing words in my mouth.  I never said it was usefull or useless.  I simply asked a question to which i received an answer.  Im not contradicting myself sir, you are.

[TequilaChaser]

was meant as a rib  Furball


and yes having fun is the most important thing

to add: we all would prob look like dweebs  to someone who did not play the game

TC

[Shane]

Originally posted by rshubert
Shane, how old are you?  Have you ever been in boot camp?  That comment is so...clueless.

Back in the day, when I was in, somebody who acted like you do would have regular "fell down the ladder" sessions until they learned some respect.  The military is all about the group, not about an individual's ego trips.

you telling me drill sargeants hold your hand and tell you how wonderful you are? I tink Gunny wants a word with you.

In this world of virtual combat, I am an ace... you are merely....

cannon fodder.

the point is... why are tender sensibilites being brought into play as an excuse for being unwilling to learn?

and shubie, don't confuse what you see in this game with what occurs outside of it, mmmmkay.  so you can talk "blanket parties" all you want.  

[Stang]

Originally posted by Furball
 Its all by instinct, i dont want to be one of these people that work out proper speed and statistics.

He's right, it is all by instinct.  I never have a planed merge move, it's just all a gut reaction to each individual situation as to how best deal with it.  You have to be flexible in the ever changing MA, and having things planned out on charts or graphs either will get you killed or you'll run like a wuss calling bs when your "move" doesn't work and the enemy's all over your 6.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Stang
He's right, it is all by instinct.  I never have a planed merge move, it's just all a gut reaction to each individual situation as to how best deal with it.  You have to be flexible in the ever changing MA, and having things planned out on charts or graphs either will get you killed or you'll run like a wuss calling bs when your "move" doesn't work and the enemy's all over your 6.

Stang, seriously now. noone on this thread said to map out your moves on graphs or paper.  or fight using set  prethought of maneuvers.

I agree one must be flexible,  if you fly from instinct where did that instinct come from? it came from some type of experience unless everyone is like Robert Redford and are a "Natural".

a person studys the Energy Management charts and compares them, to gain knowledge of what and what not to do when they do encounter a fight in the arena. noone is saying draw out these graphs and  draw out your manuevers on paper, then if you see that plane over there do this, then you should do this, and so on.......and fly by these set maneuvers and nothing else.

The charts are used to help build a knowledge base of the different planes performance and helps one compare them.

TC

[DamnedRen]

This might work,

Best cornering speed?

It's simple to find for any plane for any alt.

1) Pick the alt. and set auto pilot level til she settles down
2) Turn of auto pilot and cut throttle.
3) WIth flaps up note the speed she stalls.
4) Multiply that speed by 1.66 and you will have best cornering speed.

Note: a 1-2k alt difference will normally produce a 1 or 2 mph difference but you will probably find it hard to accurately notice it.

You can do it for any plane.

Rgds,

[Stang]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Stang, seriously now. noone on this thread said to map out your moves on graphs or paper.  or fight using set  prethought of maneuvers.

I agree one must be flexible,  if you fly from instinct where did that instinct come from? it came from some type of experience unless everyone is like Robert Redford and are a "Natural".

 

Well, if you really want to get deep into it, I could tell you that none of it is learned, it's actually remembered...

[Simaril]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
Best cornering speed?

It's simple to find for any plane for any alt.

1) Pick the alt. and set auto pilot level til she settles down
2) Turn of auto pilot and cut throttle.
3) WIth flaps up note the speed she stalls.
4) Multiply that speed by 1.66 and you will have best cornering speed.

Note: a 1-2k alt difference will normally produce a 1 or 2 mph difference but you will probably find it hard to accurately notice it.

You can do it for any plane.

Rgds,

Thanks, Ren -- I'm all for a "Kentucky windage" shortcut. If anywhere close to the tedious data collection method, it'll be a real help.

Question though: with this method, once you turn autopilot off, do you keep hands off the stick, with combat trim on? Or, do you use trim to manually maintain altitude and attitude with hands off the stick, waiting to see when the stall hits?


I assume you watch for true stall, and not the stall horn onset.....

[TequilaChaser]

you can have the last word.....kudos to you:aok