Author Topic: Russian classrooms reverting to soviet version of history (Read 3790 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #180 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:25:32 PM »

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Thank you Boroda.

That's EXACTLY the type of thing that needs to be preserved.

Pension? For 7 years work that left me exceedingly well trained for an outstanding and lucrative job in the private sector? Whatever for?

Oh... you don't understand... you guys had no private sector.

Anyway, don't worry about my pension. It's pretty nice and I owe it all to the USAF, really.

Toad, what surprises me is that you risked your life, flying almost criminal missions violating Soviet airspace, when your life was a question of good will from Soviet side, and your "beloved party and government" didn't even bother to give you a pension...

It's a beautiful world of capitalism. Unfortunately, we live in the same crap now...

Your words about "private sector" in USSR show your total, complete ignorance about the enemy you planned to eliminate. No surprise, it's always like that, at least on "blue" side.

Estel · « **Reply #181 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:26:44 PM »

And don't relax. Tomorrow I will post Aeroflot at 1953 and IranAir at 1988.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #182 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:30:43 PM »

Toad,

do you have any examples of commie a/c entering North American air space and being allowed to go on their merry way?

How about commie a/c that overflew USN ships and were allowed to go on their merry way?

How about commie ships that put themselves in the way of USN ships? They could very well have been suicide ships.

LOL Borada. How far away was the Canadair from your precious Caspian oilfields?

Estel · « **Reply #183 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:34:47 PM »

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How about commie a/c that overflew USN ships and were allowed to go on their merry way?

I don't think that I'll tell you something secret. But. Due to international agreements the ships CAN BE OVERFLYED. The Dot. So, these overflights were in the past, have place in the presence and will be in the future. From all sides.

Suave · « **Reply #184 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:36:43 PM »

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getting hold of your rotten Goebbels's propaganda lies about Katyn as a last resort,

Boroda · « **Reply #185 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:37:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
After the way you back-stabbed the Poles, it was a smart thing to have a war plan prepared wrt the USSR.

War plan means defence, aggressive war plan means victory.

Your plans didn't mean any of that, they meant starting a war with bombing 30 Soviet cities to ashes killing 8 million people within first week, and then losing war on the ground with no other option.

I find it absolutely insane. At least from our barbaric point of view.

About Poland - you'd better STFU, you'll look more clever. Ask UK and France about guaranties to Poland, then ask why they didn't declare war on USSR in Sept, 1939, and then go find a Churchill's radio adress that says USSR saved millions of people from Hitler in 1939.

Oh, sorry, you don't read anything except your propaganda comic books like this:

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Oh and don't pull out the "they were gonna use nukes" whine either... or I'll pull up the data on your in-service dates for USSR nuclear bombers, missiles and missile submarines.

Well, enlighten me. It's obvious that we had all the above-mentioned things years later then you.

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Didn't want to talk about those did ya? Ignored them last time, but I can find the thread easily enough I think.

I ignored it because of obvious absurdity of using this dates and numbers as a confirmation of Soviet "aggressive intentions".

And you type or cut and paste faster then me, at least you post your hallucinations in your native language.

Face it: you prepared a horrible death for millions of people in Soviet Far East. I mean - you, mr. Toad took part in it personally.

Boroda · « **Reply #186 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:42:36 PM »

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LOL Borada. How far away was the Canadair from your precious Caspian oilfields?

Ask Toad about "ingress routes", he's a specialist in plotting flightplans for B-52s. Anyway - they are only several minutes of flight for modern aircrafts.

I only wonder how PVO didn't use SAMs against violators, and always sent planes to risk the lives of pilots to save the bastards.

Toad · « **Reply #187 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:43:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, what surprises me is that you risked your life, flying almost criminal missions violating Soviet airspace, when your life was a question of good will from Soviet side, and your "beloved party and government" didn't even bother to give you a pension...

Here's what surprises me.

I flew Recon for over 5 years and never once violated ICAO airspace rules. I was NEVER in Soviet airspace.

But I had threats from Soviet fighters...while I was in ICAO International Airspace.... to either land immediately or be shot down.

Which we of course ignored.

The only Soviet "good will" was their decision not to butcher me and my crew like they butchered so many other military aircraft in ICAO International Airspace.

My deal with the USAF was a pension after 20 years. Plenty fair and a good deal, really. I left for the airlines at 7 years... no obligation and I did REALLY well with the training and experience I got in the USAF. I feel blessed; I love the AF.

I'd do it all over exactly the same way too. I'd do it right now in Iraq but they wont' take me because I'm old. But I did volunteer.

Suave · « **Reply #188 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:45:42 PM »

What kind of putz expects a pension after only 7 years? Somebody that likes to leech off of society.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #189 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:45:47 PM »

Depends on what height Estel. If the Americans were as paranoid as you commies are those flights would be considered hostile.

Yup, the commies could only defeat the Poles in 1939 after the Germans had already wiped out most of the Polish forces.

Boroda · « **Reply #190 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:46:01 PM »

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How about commie a/c that overflew USN ships and were allowed to go on their merry way?

Really?!

Usually a mock attack on your carriers results in wet pants and inability to do anything. OTOH - US carrier-based planes have a glorious record of shooting down MiGs in international airspace, miles from CV groups, but - usually when Soviet CAP has orders not to return fire in any case.

Toad · « **Reply #191 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:51:32 PM »

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Face it: you prepared a horrible death for millions of people in Soviet Far East. I mean - you, mr. Toad took part in it personally.

Face it? I'm proud of it.

The war plan was never to make a pre-emptive first strike. I know. I was tested on the SIOP.

However, if the USSR started it, you would have ceased to exist. Period.

And even if that cost the existence of the US, it would have been better than you lot dictating to the world.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #192 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:54:12 PM »

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Ask Toad about "ingress routes", he's a specialist in plotting flightplans for B-52s. Anyway - they are only several minutes of flight for modern aircrafts.

I only wonder how PVO didn't use SAMs against violators, and always sent planes to risk the lives of pilots to save the bastards.

Nope,:) I asked you.

On the copters, it only shows how incompetent the commie soldiers are that they could not take care of a minimum of 24 'enemy' soldiers when the copters landed.

Boroda · « **Reply #193 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:57:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Here's what surprises me.

I flew Recon for over 5 years and never once violated ICAO airspace rules. I was NEVER in Soviet airspace.

But I had threats from Soviet fighters...while I was in ICAO International Airspace.... to either land immediately or be shot down.

Which we of course ignored.

Yeah, and wolves are vegetarians, LOL!

Toad, US recon planes violated Soviet airspace at least every week in the Far East in late-70s, I wonder how did you manage to escape it in 5 years. Hint: if you see an interceptor that orders you to land - you are probably in somebody's else airspace.

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The only Soviet "good will" was their decision not to butcher me and my crew like they butchered so many other military aircraft in ICAO International Airspace.

Proof please. If a plane was shot down - it happened in Soviet airspace. Soviet chain of command simply had to avoid any doubts in such cases. Unfortunately (fortunately for you) it was too long, so usually "doves of peace" like you (preparing the way for other 8-engined doves) had time to escape or interceptors ran out of fuel.

I expect a bunch of great arguments like "Soviets are evil by nature" and so on.

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My deal with the USAF was a pension after 20 years. Plenty fair and a good deal, really. I left for the airlines at 7 years... no obligation and I did REALLY well with the training and experience I got in the USAF. I feel blessed; I love the AF.

So - you were not on "combat service"? Here one year in combat counts as 2-3 years.

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I'd do it all over exactly the same way too. I'd do it right now in Iraq but they wont' take me because I'm old. But I did volunteer.

Don't worry, they'll turn to you later.

Estel · « **Reply #194 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:57:55 PM »

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I only wonder how PVO didn't use SAMs against violators, and always sent planes to risk the lives of pilots to save the bastards.

Because of an order. You must visually identify target before shooting. This was a problem of IranAir.