Author Topic: Russian classrooms reverting to soviet version of history (Read 3791 times)

Estel · « **Reply #135 on:** June 06, 2005, 01:51:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The very fact that you listed accidental COLLISIONS on that desperate list tells a lot.

As I said before, all of that collisions was a result of rules violations by USAF or NG pilots. If you don't know, I'll tell you, that rules violation wich become a reason of death is a crime.

JAGED · « **Reply #136 on:** June 06, 2005, 02:02:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

Look, we are not a part of the "brave new world" of Western Christianity. It's one of the reasons for a hatered that's 1000 years old... [/B]

Is this some obscure veiled religious reference. Of what hatred do you speak of? Just asking.

Boroda · « **Reply #137 on:** June 06, 2005, 02:13:55 PM »

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Originally posted by JAGED
Is this some obscure veiled religious reference. Of what hatred do you speak of? Just asking.

I mean Western "churches" hating Eastern Christians more then Moslims for example. I mean "crusades" in Eastern Europe and overall attitude to Orthodox nations. Ever heard of Vlad Ţepeş? It's how Western propaganda works.

For Manichaeism - check this please:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism

1K3 · « **Reply #138 on:** June 06, 2005, 02:20:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Despair
To sum up: USSR educational system was prolly the best in the world and it was free. If Russia reverts to USSR standards, I am all for this.

(ehh kinda off-topic)

Yep, under USSR's ciriculum, they produced THE most talented engineers, and scientists... tons of them! (psst discount history and government class:D)

Btw it IS the Soviet education that forced us Yanks to start a crash program and wire more $$$ to schools, ect.

Staga · « **Reply #139 on:** June 06, 2005, 02:27:23 PM »

Estel; if you can understand the difference between shooting down a civilian aircraft because you thought it was military one and performing an attack and shooting down an civilian aircraft knowing well it's civilian passengerplane carrying innocent travellers...

Well You truly are hard core communist and a "hero" of soviet union; here's a medal for you.

Congratulations.

Wolfala · « **Reply #140 on:** June 06, 2005, 02:44:54 PM »

Stega,

That is very low brow and disrespectful.

Suave · « **Reply #141 on:** June 06, 2005, 05:06:26 PM »

Oh no disrespecting the stalinists!

Staga · « **Reply #142 on:** June 06, 2005, 05:23:34 PM »

Disrespectful? Well that was kinda the idea behind that post.
Nobody who's defending the crimes Soviet Union and its communist regime did won't get anything else from me.
In my books they are just like revisionists and neo-nazies denying holocaust never happened; they all should be put in camps and gulags and lock the gates forever.
Don't like it? Not really my problem.

Suave · « **Reply #143 on:** June 06, 2005, 05:30:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Disrespectful? Well that was kinda the idea behind that post.
Nobody who's defending the crimes Soviet Union and its communist regime did won't get anything else from me.
In my books they are just like revisionists and neo-nazies denying holocaust never happened; they all should be put in camps and gulags and lock the gates forever.
Don't like it? Not really my problem.

Werd

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #144 on:** June 06, 2005, 05:32:20 PM »

even if Germany lost WW2, the joke still was (and always will be) on the Russian people. That is because the Germans (smart mother****ers) figured that Lenin would cause the Tsarist Empire to collapse thus ending Russia's contribution to the First World War (which is what actually happened). I think Vladimir was at the time living in Germany, so they put him on a train and sent him straight to Russia. Thus started the revolution, and in the end the Russian people suffered cruel dictatorships and mass exterminations for a lot longer than Germans ever did in the past century.
The USSR is basically another German invention.

scout · « **Reply #145 on:** June 06, 2005, 05:38:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I mean Western "churches" hating Eastern Christians more then Moslims for example. I mean "crusades" in Eastern Europe and overall attitude to Orthodox nations. Ever heard of Vlad Ţepeş? It's how Western propaganda works.

What is that about ? Never heard of western churches 'hating' eastern churches, much less 'hating them more than moslims'.

I do know of a serb christian making common cause with american & european christians on an islamic board. No strife there.

scout · « **Reply #146 on:** June 06, 2005, 06:04:15 PM »

About the Swedish DC-3.

It was finally found 2003 and recovered from the water spring 2004. Big stuff locally. The 1952 shoot down of the DC-3 was a defining event for swedens attitude towards Soviet. Not that many had hankering for communism before ...

It did carry american equipment and was gathering SIGINT on USSR radar stations with intent to share info with the americans. No civilians on board.

The swedish government states it was cruising north - south on neutral waters.

The wreck being recovered east of 'Gotska Sandön' supports the swedish government on that point (they did deny for decades it was an intelligence mission claiming instead it was a 'training' mission).

It went down rapidly after getting attacked (reported home on radio, no survivors) so it didn't have time to get far before splashing.
Here's a map:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/balticstates.jpg
'Gotska Sandon' is the little island due north of Gotland.

And btw russkies, thank you very much for shooting down the rescue Catalina as well.

I'm no expert on these matters but I doubt very much sweden would have sent a plane into USSR air space, they simply feared the Soviet Union to much to make unneccesary provocations.

cpxxx · « **Reply #147 on:** June 07, 2005, 12:06:23 AM »

You Russian guys have no idea of how strange you views come across. Look we all like paint our country in a good light. But how would you feel if a bunch of Germans came on and claimed Hitler was only trying to protect the world from Bolshevism? Some do in fact. The Japanese have made a big effort to do much the same.

There is a big difference between Stalin and Hitler and the Japanese. Most of his repression was against his own people. You should at least recognise that. It is not slur on Russia. It is a slur on Stalin and whole Bolshevik idea. In my history in school I was told that Russia was not the ideal country for Communism. Not enough industry at the time. Germany was the ideal candidate. It went in another direction in the end.

Stalin was a tyrant. The political system he presided over was brutal and repressive. If you can't accept that or try to play it down because you feel it embarrasses Russia. Then you need to modify your views. The regime shares the guilt not the country or it's people. The only way you can avoid a similar situation in the future is to know what went wrong with your history and try not to repeat it. It can happen again. The countries and citizens of the Soviet Union were the victims. The Russian people themselves were victims of Stalin who wasn't even Russian.

One other point, I really find it surprising that someone living in New York, Russian or not still equates Western propaganda with Soviet propaganda.

Remember Genozaur you are quite free to produce your own propaganda leaflet refuting the Pole's views on Stalin. Try that in the old Soviet Union.
Interesting too, that the old resentment against the Poles is still festering. The feeling is mutual I assure you, based on those I've met.

Russian · « **Reply #148 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:45:49 AM »

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Boroda · « **Reply #149 on:** June 07, 2005, 07:29:41 AM »

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Originally posted by scout
About the Swedish DC-3.

Hm. I have heard that a few years ago there was a serious scandal in Swedish media about Swedish armed forces and civilian organisations working on CIA missions against USSR...

WTG, "neutros".