O'club

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Habu
We do not need to be treated like kids because of the actions of a couple of misfits. Misfits will always be around. Set some guidlines and deleate their posts that break the rules. After they get no attention they go away, or better yet grow up and contribute usefully to the place.

Habu nailed it.

No need to ban.. just delete. Banning is a 'badge'.. some folks like to collect 'em.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Habu
Virgil why don't you let other people say what they think on the topic? Posting page of page of the same one thought over and over really isn't enlightening anyone.

 You know,  I think I will. After all, it might be fun to see you post over and over again "delete the offending posts, and it fixes everything", and knowing that it didn't.

I was just countering your points because I disagreed with you. Sorry if you couldn't handle it.

I'll stop repeating myself if you will stop repeating yourself. Goes both ways. Try it. I'll stop replying to you anyway.

[Morpheus]

Anyone who wants to spend time as part of the AH community needs to give something back to the community, something more than trolls and retarded "my schlong is bigger than yours" posts.

Eagl!

But but, I make movies for players who want em. They are super uber movie stars when they're released!:D

Btw, you have mail!:)

[dirtbag]

Even though this will get me banned, (again) I'll take a stab at your list:

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What does it REALLY consist of?

The players, the people who really play the game?

The people who design terrain?

The people who create skins?

The people who design scenarios?

The people who host scenarios?

HTC?

The people who organize other events?

The people who organize official or semi official RL gatherings?

The people who volunteer to train or otherwise help out?

How many of the above regularly, or even rarely, inhabit the O'Club?

How many of them will just leave because the O'Club is not there if HTC doesn't reopen it?
 

I played from day one of beta until I was banned  (2nd time) for making a joke about WMD, Bush, and space aliens.

I was in the 1st group of trainers.

I was the 1st Terrain Team leader, and stayed on the team until the 2nd banning after which I resigned.

I created one terrain from scratch and contributed on several others.

I spent many hours on terrain tiles and aircraft skins for maps I was developing.

I wrote up a few Snapshots as well as hosted them.

I contributed several ideas that were included in Aces High and felt honored that my contributions were accepted by HTC.

My downfall was a combination of errors on mine and others parts in how we related to each other in the O'Club.

Skuzzy, I'm sure you are a nice guy and have tried to do the best you could with the O'Club problems but you didn't show a whole lot of objectivity or even handed moderation.

I am sorry for my contribution to the problem.

If you guys decide to use community moderators may I suggest Toad, Nash, Sandman, and Tumor with a 5th person of your choice as a panel to police that forum...balance is the key to making it viable.

weazel

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by dirtbag
Even though this will get me banned, (again) I'll take a stab at your list:

 


I played from day one of beta until I was banned  (2nd time) for making a joke about WMD, Bush, and space aliens.

I was in the 1st group of trainers.

I was the 1st Terrain Team leader, and stayed on the team until the 2nd banning after which I resigned.

I created one terrain from scratch and contributed on several others.

I spent many hours on terrain tiles and aircraft skins for maps I was developing.

I wrote up a few Snapshots as well as hosted them.

I contributed several ideas that were included in Aces High and felt honored that my contributions were accepted by HTC.

My downfall was a combination of errors on mine and others parts in how we related to each other in the O'Club.

Skuzzy, I'm sure you are a nice guy and have tried to do the best you could with the O'Club problems but you didn't show a whole lot of objectivity or even handed moderation.

I am sorry for my contribution to the problem.

If you guys decide to use community moderators may I suggest Toad, Nash, Sandman, and Tumor with a 5th person of your choice as a panel to police that forum...balance is the key to making it viable.

weazel

Well, I would hope that your reply would not get you banned, I see nothing in it to get you banned unless it stems from a previous permanent ban. In any event, thanks for the reply.
It seems you contributed a great deal at one time.

I think that sometimes the subject matter accepted in the O'Club can sometimes elicit strong enough opinions to cause even nice people to get carried away.

When I was warned by Skuzzy, I tried to look at it from his vantage point. Moderating the O'Club was just plain tough. I can easily see where it can become too much of a drain. It is easy to only see it from your own vantage point, and feel "put upon". It is sometimes hard to see where something you said may have elicited a response, and he/they chose to take issue with a post because of the response it elicited. I look at that as being human.
It is their house, and their rules. They are burdened with enforcing them. I figure if I got "moderated", in their view, I broke their rule in their house. I may not understand it, but I have to respect it.


I'm pretty sure we have gone at it in the past. In any event, I respect your honesty and willingness to share the responsibility, regardless of whether or not I agree with some of your positions.

[SlapShot]

Too funny ... delete offending posts ... ban the bad apples.

I think what most fail to see or understand is that HiTech, Pyro, and more so ... Skuzzy are probably sick and tired of trying to babysit - ride herd over the O'Club. The O'Club is not a revenue generating operation for them ... it is more than likely overhead entry that is felt somewhat on their bottom line.

I don't know or care what HT pays Skuzzy, but I would imagine that it is way more than what the going rate of pay that one would get for babysitting a forum or BBS. HTC has limited resources and what resources they have are all needed in their specific areas of expertise.

With all the problems that they have been having with Savvis I am sure that Skuzzy and HT are up to their collective arses in alligators trying to quell the tide and when they have to divert their attention from something like that to go into the O'Club to spank/ban people and/or delete threads ... that has gotta piss someone off in a big way.

Skuzzy is an expert in his field and its gotta be like a thorn under his skin to have the task of babysitting take precendence over what he really likes and wants to do. If I were him, I would have brought HT and Pyro to the table long ago and said enuff is enuff and the O'Club would have gone bye-bye long before this.

Its human nature to always push the envelope and the "Aruba" thread broke thru the envelope. Those who paricipate regularly in the O'Club and always felt the need to push the envelope are the ones screaming the most ... you brought it upon yourself.

Bottom line here, IMO, is that HTC and company don't want to waste their time having to babysit ... so deleting post and banning people is not going to solve the problem ... they would need to waste their time deleteing and banning ... you need to dig deeper.

Here are the rules that were stickied in every forum not too long ago because things started to get out of hand. They were summarily ignored by most in the O'Club and now you wonder why. Pay particluar attention to #4 and #7.

1- Posts are to be made in the relevant forum. Users are asked to read the forum descriptions before posting.

2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics.

3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.

6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.

7- Members should remember this board is aimed at a general audience. Posting pornographic or generally offensive text, images, links, etc. will not be tolerated. This includes attempts to bypass the profanity filter.

8- Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed. Email support@hitechcreations.com to report any issues regarding this. HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High. We take cheating and allegations of cheating very seriously.

9- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.

10- Spam is not tolerated here under any circumstance.

11- Do not use overly large signatures. Signatures should not take up more than 5 normal sized text lines in height. Do not use images in your signature.

12 - Users are permitted to upload one of their own avatars. Avatars must be in good taste and consistent with the other rules of this board.

13- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.

14- Members should post in a way which is consistent with "normal writing". That is users should not post excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc. Similarly users should not SHOUT or use excessive punctuation (e.g. ! and ?) in topic titles or posts.


Posts and threads may be edited, deleted, or locked for violations of these rules. Continued or blatant violation of these rules may result in a temporary or permanent ban.

[LePaul]

As far as new moderators go...

1)  JB73 would be the worst choice.  He has how many zillion of us on ignore?  I mean, c'mon.  I'd rather let kids play in Lazs armory

2)  Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous.  This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc

[eagl]

Morph,

Your email didn't show up.  If you used a cute subject line, it may have gotten filtered to spam (oops!) if I didn't recognize your email address since I let my spam filter have it's way and only browse subject lines and senders before deleting suspected spam.

If you used a reasonable subject line, then I guess it hasn't gotten here yet or I accidentally deleted it anyhow  Either way, resend please and I'll look for it more carefully.

[Schaden]

Sooo what was the joke about George Dubya, WMD and Space Aliens? Was it any good?

[spitfiremkv]

Originally posted by LePaul
As far as new moderators go...

2)  Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous.  This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc

doesn't HT have a new chick on staff? maybe she should get the extra task of moderating the BSS. She could even cutify it with pink backgrounds and msilies and mandatory online purity tests and quizzes and post things like: What kind of dog would you be?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by LePaul
As far as new moderators go...

1)  JB73 would be the worst choice.  He has how many zillion of us on ignore?  I mean, c'mon.  I'd rather let kids play in Lazs armory

2)  Let HTC select their own and allow said persons to remain anonymous.  This would do a lot to avoid bias, etc etc

Said the man who let a once-banned-from-HTC FDB moderate his website...

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Said the man who let a once-banned-from-HTC FDB moderate his website...

As usual, you lack a point.

[dirtbag]

I see you let MrFish come back to Check6, do I get a 2nd chance?

Schaden...no dice.

[kj714]

I never visited the O' Club.

I feel like I missed something now.

Dang.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by kj714
I never visited the O' Club.

I feel like I missed something now.

Dang.

it wasnt anything special, just the users