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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2005, 10:45:03 AM »
My freedom is trampled when I'm told to keep my mouth shut about the war because it aids our enemy... that is pure BS, especially when people make reasonable statements like "pull out as soon as practical" and they are accused of being cowards and wanting to "cut and run". Horse hockey.

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2005, 10:46:27 AM »
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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2005, 11:16:41 AM »
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All of America's enemies at this point have learned the real lesson of the Vietnam war: the key to victory lies in defeating the USA at home, not on foreign battlefields.


Actually, the real lesson there is that democracies like the USA shouldn't pick their fights on the basis of either faulty assumptions (Vietnam) or pretexts of dubious veracity that don't stand up to critical scrutiny (Iraq) otherwise they risk losing the public support needed to stay the course.

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« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2005, 11:49:34 AM »
no one's freedoms are being trampled.  I personally oppose the "patriot act" and consider it abusive beyond that everything else is consistent within the context of our current armed involvement on two fronts.  many here, and sadly in our nation confuse freedom with libertinism.  we are a nation at war, we have a responsibility to the young people we send in harm's way to offer them our support irrespective of our ideology.  this is not the time to be opposing the administration's policy on the war by condemning the actions of our people in uniform.  this does nothing but encourage the enemy and lengthens the conflict.  the time for review of policy and execution will come.  sadly you pinhead liberals are too self absorbed to understand any of this and you place the entire nation at risk of further harm while carrying on as if there were no war.

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« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2005, 12:01:12 PM »
Sounds familiar... something like the Cold War mentality where you had best not say anything good about those other guys... you might be a commie simp.


I can most certainly support our troops and wish them not only good luck but insist they have the tools they need to kick ass. At the same time I can most certainly speak out against this stupid move into Iraq and its consequences for the future.

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« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2005, 12:27:08 PM »
I don't read much Ann Coulter, but she did have one good point that always is brought up by Liberals.

McCarthyism.

Liberals have failed to produce one person who was falsely accused of being a Communist.



They have just gone to say that McCarthyism was a whacked out which hunt.
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« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2005, 12:41:02 PM »
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no one's freedoms are being trampled.     sadly you pinhead liberals are too self absorbed to understand any of this and you place the entire nation at risk of further harm while carrying on as if there were no war.


If no ones freedom's are being trampled (which I can somewhat agree), then no one is placing the entire nation at risk either.  Especially by excersing those freedoms.

Here's the problem for Bush et. al.  

I supported him in the '00 election and when he first ventured into Iraq.

Now that his stated justification for going into Iraq was shown to be a lie...maybe not his, but certainly he is responsible for the actions of his team as his quote in Rip's signature block would attest, he started to loose me.

He goes on to say "Mission Accomplished", when we are far from it.

Then he states it's about fighting terrorism, when in reality it was about regime change, period.

Now the biggest problem I have with this.....the ONLY terrorist who has proved to be able to strike us on our soil is not captured.  In fact, Iraq has taken the American's public eye off of that ball.

Seagoon, I understand your emotional feelings towards this as you are in a line of work and a place that puts close to the people carrying on the fight.  However, you are going way over the top with some of your "the nation is not patriotic, or the nation is going to collapse" stuff because people, rightfully, demand accountability and answers to very appropiate challenges.

I am a citizen of this country, and I have every right to and a duty to challenge our elected officials on the choices they make.  Remember, they are supposed act on our behalf and just as important, they are to take actions that will benefit us as a nation.  I question that in this instance.

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« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2005, 12:50:03 PM »
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I don't read much Ann Coulter, but she did have one good point that always is brought up by Liberals.

McCarthyism.

Liberals have failed to produce one person who was falsely accused of being a Communist.

They have just gone to say that McCarthyism was a whacked out which hunt.




Joe Conason ripped Coulter a new one for her stupidly thought out and selective re-write of McCarthyism.  They agreed, Coulter and Conason, to have a debate about the issue.  Coulter insisted they change the deabte for her schedule, they did so and she no-showed.  She's not only stupid and a damned liar, she's a coward.

Read Conason's review here:

http://www.yuricareport.com/RevisitedBks/CoulterTreason.html

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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2005, 01:06:52 PM »
sakai, the russians tell us now that McCarthy was right, they say they had spies everywhere, did you know that FDR's first VP was a commi? you do know how russia got the plans for the a-bomb don't you?

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« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2005, 01:19:01 PM »
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sakai, the russians tell us now that McCarthy was right, they say they had spies everywhere, did you know that FDR's first VP was a commi? you do know how russia got the plans for the a-bomb don't you?


That's not really accurate and yes I know something about history and politics, it being one of my main areas of college study.  

Read what was posted:

The FBI identified the vast majority of the Communist spy rings unearthed prior to Mccarthy's little stunt and sideshow.

The unveiling of the KGB files identified several actual spies nailed by the FBI, most famously the Rosenbergs as I recall.

There were several people Mccarthy slandered that had never been identified in those files you are touting, and Conason names those.

The other problem with Coulter's poorly researched premise, and the way these things get re-reported on line as "fact" as evidenced here is really the issue, was how McCarthy was actually duped by one of those identified in the KGB files as in fact a Soviet agent to get Joachim Peiper acquitted for Malmedy.

So TG Joe, Coulter's hero, was used by a commie spy to get an actual enemy accused of war crimes, of the US off the hook.  Coulter dropped that little piece from her research.  

I know no one here is foolish enough to excuse a lunatic like Coulter, but when people repeat these falsehoods as "facts" it takes away from how tarnished her reputation is and how sophmoric and inaccurate her entire premise is.

You need to not associate commie spy with people who ever attended a Communist anything.  Those are two different notions and in the US at the time of FDR's actions there was a huge anarcho socialist movement.  Most of those folks were patriotic Americans who were sick of starving mate.

Conason's disembowling of Coulter has never been overturned except with clipped bloggers who say they know more than you do.

Facts is facts.  The point was Coulter's inaccurate statements and folks parroting those as accurate.

No, she was dead wrong and remains dead wrong.  She is a liar, a dolt and a coward--not anyone I would cite or support if I wanted to lend credibility to a debate.  

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« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2005, 02:13:45 PM »
soo... how many were falsely accused of being commies?

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« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2005, 02:14:52 PM »
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That's not really accurate and yes I know something about history and politics, it being one of my main areas of college study.  

Sakai


so, you studied revisionist socialist history in college, that explains your attitude toward America.

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« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2005, 02:24:56 PM »
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soo... how many were falsely accused of being commies?

lazs


Read it yourself.

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« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2005, 02:27:59 PM »
See Rule #4
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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2005, 02:31:38 PM »
poor sakai, so young , so bitter