Acts of War on the US border

[Gunslinger]

When is this situation at the border going to get past "playing the race card" and "pandering for votes" to serious legitimate action?

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3430815

Armed standoff along U.S. border
 
By Sara A. Carter and Kenneth Todd Ruiz, Staff Writers
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin  
 
Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers had an armed standoff with nearly 30 U.S. law enforcement officials on the Rio Grande in Texas Monday afternoon, according to Texas police and the FBI.

Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the United States, said Chief Deputy Mike Doyal, of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department.

Mexican Army troops had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border -- near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso -- when Border Patrol agents called for backup. Hudspeth County deputies and Texas Highway patrol officers arrived shortly afterward, Doyal said.

"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

An FBI spokeswoman confirmed the incident happened at 2:15 p.m. Pacific Time.

"Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border," said Andrea Simmons, a spokeswoman with the FBI's El Paso office. "People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican Army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across."

Simmons said the FBI was not involved and referred inquiries to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

ICE did not return calls seeking comment.

Doyal said deputies captured one vehicle in the incident, a Cadillac Escalade reportedly stolen from El Paso, and found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside. The Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river, he said.

Doyal's deputies faced a similar incident on Nov. 17, when agents from the Fort Hancock border patrol station in Texas called the sheriff's department for backup after confronting more than six fully armed men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The men -- who were carrying machine guns and driving military vehicles -- were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande, Doyal said.

Doyal said such incidents are common at Neely's Crossing, which is near Fort Hancock, Texas, and across from the Mexican state of Chihuahua.

"It happens quite often here," he said.

Deputies and border patrol agents are not equipped for combat, he added.

"Our government has to do something," he said. "It's not the immigrants coming over for jobs we're worried about. It's the smugglers, Mexican military and the national threat to our borders that we're worried about."

Citing a Jan. 15 story in the Daily Bulletin, Reps. David Dreier, R-Glendora, and Duncan Hunter, R-San Diego, last week asked the House Judiciary Committee, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the House Homeland Security Committee and the House International Relations Committee to investigate the incursions. The story focused on a Department of Homeland Security document reporting 216 incursions by Mexican soldiers during the past 10 years and a map with the seal of the president's Office of National Drug Control Policy, both of which were given to the newspaper.

Requests by Dreier, chairman of the House Rules Committee, and Hunter were made in jointly signed letters.

On Wednesday, Chertoff played down the reports of border incursions by the Mexican military. He suggested many of the incursions could have been mistakes, blaming bad navigation by military personnel or attributing the incursions to criminals dressed in military garb.

Mexican officials last week denied any incursions made by their military.

But border agents interviewed over the past year have discussed confrontations those they believe to be Mexican military personnel.

"We're sitting ducks," said a border agent speaking on condition of anonymity. "The government has our hands tied."
 

Also here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182650,00.html



Here's a video http://bareknucklepolitics.com/?p=689

Seriously!  When are we going to get some politicians to grow some testicular fortituded and deal with this issue?  There's nothing racist about creating secure borders.

Politically speaking if the democrats want to sweep the next election this is one issue that could help galvonize the center.  It would mean they'd have to quit pandering to hispanic groups (just like the republicans do now) who play the race card in order for nothing to get done.

This is beyond illegal workers, this is a flat out invasion by a foreign military (small in scale now) supporting drug runners and murderous thugs.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
this is a flat out invasion by a foreign military

next time use your nukes!

[fartwinkle]

What worries me is that if juan valdez and his frito bandito's can just walze into the USA then whats stopping the haji's?

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
What worries me is that if juan valdez and his frito bandito's can just walze into the USA then whats stopping the haji's?

Yup. The government knows all about it. They listen to their phone calls.

And, do nothing.

Oh yes indeedy, we're soooo much safer.

Wonder when AQ's gonna hire the mexican army to bring in a 1400 pound load of anthrax?

[RAIDER14]

Put a electric fence up that will teach them

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
Put a electric fence up that will teach them

wire cutters?

nothing says deterrence like heads on pikes.
have the SF ambush a few mexican patrols, with minimal training and equipment it would be like plinking rats.

[Hangtime]

We don't need a fence. We need armed patrols that will SHOOT.

Word'll get around.

Put up a fence and still not shoot.. pointless. They'll dig under, climb over or cut through it.

[Meatwad]

Start arming our customs patrols with ATR's. Plus it wouldnt hurt to stick some M1's here and there

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Meatwad
Start arming our customs patrols with ATR's. Plus it wouldnt hurt to stick some M1's here and there

Fight Fire with fire.  Isn't this our military's main JOB?  Defending our borders.  If the mexican military is being bought off by smuglers and escorting them accross the border there needs to be a strong presence on the border.

THem suckers cross the border call in som apachees/cobras to take them out.  

This isn't about somone in malibu hiring Juan to be their gardener or wal-mart's contract cleaners.

I see these people as a direct threat, even more so now that they are hiring military to help them out.  Worse is where's the uproar about this?  We sell Mexico Humvees with mountd Machine guns to escort drug runners accross our borders?

[DREDIOCK]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I am 100% for invading Mexico, smashing that little gnat with a sledgehammer and turning ol'Mexico into our 51st state


It would cost us financially at first yes. But the long time benifits would far outweigh any initial  financial loss.

It would be the next great tourist and retirement state.

Course Texas probably wouldnt like it because it would then become the countries 3rd largest state instead of only the second:p

[nirvana]

Mine the border, some claymores here and there, pungee pits, etc etc.

[dmf]

If their running drugs then they will keep doing it until you kill them, start killing them and they might get the, a few combat troops should do the trick don't you think?

[DREDIOCK]

Hey heres a partial solution.
Flood the rio grande with agent orange:aok

[RAIDER14]

Fly helicopters with food stamps hanging from them they will most likely follow the helicopter

[NUKE]

It's going to take another 911 before politicians take the border seriously. Then, the border will be guarded and people will be shot if they try to get across illegally.