Author Topic: Christians and end times- Are they here? (Read 3485 times)

Hangtime · « **Reply #75 on:** March 26, 2006, 12:58:35 PM »

I ain't 'wishy washy'. Neither are you. There are plenty of things completely unexplained by science or current logic or religionists that force continual re-evaluation of man's 'existence'. To deny outright 'God', without reliable proof is assinine.

I don't pretend (as religionists do) to know the answers. I await (and seek) the answers.

Till the question is answered by reliable proof, I remain an agnostic.

lazs2 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:15:06 PM »

well....now I am confused...

an agnostic is wishy washy because he says he doesn't know.... he says this because, of course..... How could he? He says that it is possible that there is one he simply has no faith that there is.

the chairboy model of the athiest says that there is no god but that it is possible that there is one he simply has no faith that there is.

either the possibilty is there or it isn't. Possibility without faith makes you an agnostic.

belief in god without proof makes you a theist.

belief that a god does not, can not, exist..... without having any proof other than personal faith makes you an athiest (and probly a commie).

Same for aliens. Not santa tho....apparently he is real.

Still not sure about bigfoot... gonna have to go with agnostic on that one..

lazs

Gunthr · « **Reply #77 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:55:18 PM »

Chair, I'd like to make amends. I'm not very good at expressing myself in this format.

Incidently, I understand your position in not believing in God. My comments referred only to the difference between your thread title and the real topic you apparently wished to discuss, which seemed to be a swipe at Christianity, quite different from the title of your post.

And you chose to ignore my comment that Islam as well as Christianity believes in an impending apocalypse.... for all I know, Judaism may believe this too. All three believe in the coming of the Messiah. It isn't just Christianity, as the author, and you, seem to assert.

Chairboy · « **Reply #78 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:00:45 PM »

No worries, Gunthr, it's a contentious topic. The fact that none of us have started calling each other Nazi's yet is a good sign!

I have no hidden agenda, as I stated in my original post, I wanted to know how commonheld those beliefs were (if at all) because the interview made interesting claims. The 'atheists are the debil!!!! nay, christians are evul!!!!!' posts leaked over from another thread, it's all good.

Ignore what comment? I think all the religions are silly. Islam, judaism, christianity, etc. I'm not fixated on christianity, if that's what you're asking.

EDIT: Oh, I misread what you wrote. Islam and Judaism think that too, but the author was saying that influential christians were making policy based on that belief, a different conversation.

bozon · « **Reply #79 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:33:45 PM »

Does that stupid term "agnostic" used in this meaning anywhere outside america to differentiate from "Atheist"?

You americans seem so worked up about this it begins to worry me. Next we'll have a division into Atheist sects and denominations, plus reformed Atheists, reborn Atheists and a man standing on a box in the street, waving "On the Origin of Species" book and shouting: "do not repent, the Messiah is not comming".

Really, what's the big deal?

Bozon

Gunthr · « **Reply #80 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:30:47 PM »

I think its because if you simply say "I believe God does not exist" - you leave yourself open to the assertion that, in absence of proof, you rely on faith just as much as a religious person. So the thing has to be parsed.

Sort of like, I love you baby, but I'm not in love with you

wrag · « **Reply #81 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:46:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Lazs, I think that the wacky extremists in any religion can do that themselves without my help.

My intention was to find out what the community thought and nothing else. You want dishonesty? How about your motivations for questioning my inquiry? I don't ever see you criticizing Seagoon or others for testifying or praising jesus.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a hypocrite for being so one sided when you criticize ONLY the atheist inquiries.

Also, for crying out loud, why do you guys keep calling me a liberal? I'm no democrat, I own a bunch of guns and believe in the entire bill of rights (not just the convenient ones), I think that the smaller the government the better, and I criticize the entitlement based welfare state the US has become. Where the frack does this stupid 'omfg chairboy is teh liberal' crap come from?

Is it possible that your answer is in the METHOD used by yourself????????

The WAY things are put forth? Choice of words used?

Pretty much anything can be said to anyone! It's HOW it gets said!

Chairboy · « **Reply #82 on:** March 26, 2006, 06:10:12 PM »

Can you rephrase that in the form of... english?

wrag · « **Reply #83 on:** March 26, 2006, 06:27:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Can you rephrase that in the form of... english?

You talkin to me?

If so.........

The method used = the wording + the possible HIDDEN agenda that SEEMS to be.... GET the christians no matter what.

Don't recall anyone telling you are anyone else for that matter that you must believe there is a god. Perhaps if this were a islamic country? Yet over and over and over SEEMS like what is seen is ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK?????????

You gonna drag out the blue laws again? Why? They were put in place during another time and are largely ignored now. During that time many believed they were doing right. They didn't have cures for many of the STDs present at the time. Didn't even fully understand how some were tranfered but the saw the result and were afraid.

bozon · « **Reply #84 on:** March 26, 2006, 06:46:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I think its because if you simply say "I believe God does not exist" - you leave yourself open to the assertion that, in absence of proof, you rely on faith just as much as a religious person. So the thing has to be parsed.

How do you prove something does not exist? Can anyone prove that green dragons do not exist?

Even if we pass that obstacle, what does it matter if I believe god does not exist or I dont care if it does? If I'm agnostic/atheist it also means I couldn't care less what the religeous types think of me, unless they plan to do something about it. As long as they leave it to their "god" to deal with me, that's just fine.

That just suddenly made it clear for me!
This terminology and the need for finer classification is done for the religeous types. They cannot leave anything outside of some godly order and now they can give theological excuses as to why "no god" groups exist. This is religeous thinking. That way god may smite the agnostics and not just Mr. Johnson from across the street and a bunch of random others. They need to define the enemy in order to deal with it.

How's that for a thesis?

In that case you have my permission to call me what ever you like. Even "hypocrite".

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Sort of like, I love you baby, but I'm not in love with you

I've got the feeling that this is what he told Merry when he got dressed and left her

Bozon

Gunthr · « **Reply #85 on:** March 26, 2006, 09:35:35 PM »

Let me hear you say that when you're standing tall before THE MAN, Bozon.

You're gonna be sizzling and sputtering nicely, like a fat, greasy chorizo in a hot skillet, being turned by pitchforks in your own private corner of hell by the time God's done with your blasphemous soul...

bozon · « **Reply #86 on:** March 27, 2006, 03:21:10 AM »

I don'y think you'd fare much better than me if it turns out that THE MAN calls himself Alla.

Bozon

Pooh21 · « **Reply #87 on:** March 27, 2006, 04:13:14 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
I don'y think you'd fare much better than me if it turns out that THE MAN calls himself Alla.

Bozon

lol funny retort, coming from the once and future chorizo.

lazs2 · « **Reply #88 on:** March 27, 2006, 08:39:59 AM »

bozon... I have no idea if there are green dragons or not... according to some here... there are limitless planets with limitless possibilities tho.

you may be right that one form of religion or another has a handle on it... I doubt it and.... if they do... I am probly better off not joining since, even dead, I probly wouldn't fit in with em.

I also question chairboyus motives since it does SEEM that the whole thread was just a way to take a shot at chritians whom he hates passionately since...

None of the rest of us had ever even heard, or were likely to... the nutjob guy he felt compelled to quote. His phony sincertity and compassion for the poor christian multitudes that were believeing this drivel was not convincing either.

lazs

Chairboy · « **Reply #89 on:** March 27, 2006, 09:30:35 AM »

Lazs: I appreciate that you have a different opinion than I do, and I think that's great, but I have a request.

Stop making things up. Stop saying that I hate all christians. You're fabricating stuff when you say that, and it's really disapointing. You did the same thing in the other thread, and I find it really off base.

My challenge to you: Let's continue these conversations, but try and avoid lying to make your argument sound better. It's an insult to both of us when you do that.