Global Warming... is THIS how we'll perish?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e

 but the meltdown is happening even faster than predicted  

So.....Hmmmmmmmm............. ...in other words, you are saying,  man is not too sharp when it comes to PREDICTING what is going to take place on earth.
Priceless. Thank you.

[lazs2]

sooo.... how much of all this warming is caused by man.... what it the percent?   certainly all these esteemed scientists know that by now?

and... not one of the chicken littles has told me what they think we should do about it...

Soo... how much is man made and what should we do about it?

I also like that beet says that there is no need for him to do anything on a personal level since the problem is to big for his wasteful travel to have much effect on (% please?)   I like that... I shall adopt that philosophy myself... no need for me to change anthing since I am a small part.... I am sure every person in the Unites States could get behind that solution of beetles..


so.... other than "do nothing" like beetle...  is there anything else?  Rolex?  agnus?

lazs

[lazs2]

and thrawn... you miss my point... if the earth is so fragile that we can destroy it by burning it's products then what difference does it make if we do that or a volcano kills the place or a comet or... oil fires in kuwait?   extinct is extinct right?

lazs

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by beet1e
Angus - Charlotte and Susan! I like that.

Charlotte is never going to accept the data you have advanced with regard to melting glaciers, because there are no glaciers in Texas. And Susan doesn't care if the glaciers are melting - as long as unleaded costs less than $3/gallon.

As you have pointed out, the warming, and resultant glacier meltdown is an established fact. It's convenient for the naysayers to blame ALL of this on Mother Nature, but the meltdown is happening even faster than predicted - at a faster rate than ever before? Hmmm, I wonder if those six billion tonnes of CO2 we release annually have anything to do with it.
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There's none so blind as those who look, and choose not to see.

Eighty-five percent (85%) of Americans say global warming is probably happening, according to a new TIME magazine/ABC News/Stanford University poll, out Sunday, March 26th. A vast majority of respondents (88%) think global warming threatens future generations. More than half (60%) say it threatens them a great deal. About four-in-ten (38%) feel that global warming is already a serious problem, 47% feel that it will be in the future. TIME's special 26-page cover story, 'Be Worried. Be Very Worried,' hits newsstands Monday, March 27th.

Half of Americans (52%) say weather patterns in the county where they live have grown more unstable in the last three years and half (50%) feel that average temperatures have risen in their county. A majority (70%) thinks weather patterns globally have become more unstable in the last three years and more than half (56%) feel average temperatures around the world have risen.

Almost half (49%) say the issue of global warming is 'extremely' or 'very important' to them personally, up from 31% in 1998. When asked about the causes of rise in the world's temperatures, about three-in-ten (31%) feel it is caused by the things people do, almost one fifth (19%) feel it is caused mostly by natural causes; almost half (49%) feel it is a combination of the two. Almost seven-in-ten (68%) Americans think the government should do more to address global warming, according to the poll. More than six-in-ten respondents (64%) think scientists disagree with one another about global warming.

Two-thirds of Americans (66%) say President George W. Bush's policies did little or nothing to help the environment in the past year. More than half (54%) feel American businesses did little or nothing to help. Three-quarters want to see Bush and others-Congress, American businesses and the American public-take action to help the environment in the year ahead. However, about one-third (35%) of Americans say that in the past year they have personally given a lot of thought to the impact they were having on the environment.

Six-in-ten Americans (62%) think much can be done to curb global warming and 52% favor government mandates. Six-in-ten (61%) say they would support a government mandate on lowering power plant emissions, and 87% support tax breaks to develop water, wind and solar power. Eighty-one percent oppose higher taxes on electricity, 68% oppose higher gasoline taxes and 56% oppose giving companies tax breaks to build nuclear power plants.

The partisan gap on global warming seems to be shifting, according to the poll. In 1998, 31% of Republicans and Independents alike were sure that global warming was happening; it was not a distant 39% among Democrats. Today, 46% of Democrats and 45% of Independents are certain, and 26% of Republicans feel that way, according to the TIME/ABC News/Stanford University poll.

[Jackal1]

When the supervolcano in Yellowstone erupts it will probably make this sort of a non-issue.
Anyone have a few thousand acres they are willing to donate to the mass growing of cork? Asbestos cork......................... ....

[lazs2]

well.... it seems that Americans are not what we are portrayed...

We even feel that the government should give us back some of our money to use to work on new solar and other energy sources... can't ask for more than that can you?

I am still waiting tho for the doom and gloomers to tell me what they think should be done.... if they were king.... what would they demand we do right now?

come on now... you can't have done all this research without knowing what you want us all to do and how quickly we need to do it?   You of course will tell us what effect each of these things you ask has on the impending global warming and what percentage it will reduce right?

lazs

[NattyIced]

Realistically there isn't anything that can be done. Talking realistically here.

Stop driving gas cars? Stop flying all planes? Stop all trains? Stop all non-nuclear ships? Close down all gas and coal power plants?

I don't think most will sacrifice everything to possibly slow down the impending global climate change.

[lazs2]

well... that is pretty discourageing natty...

I am sure that beet and rolex have some solutions tho (that don't involve any personal sacrafice of course).

So let's hear it.... what can we do to stop the sky from falling (or roasting and drowning us)?

I was gonna put four two barrels on the Healey next week so I kinda need to know now.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2

I was gonna put four two barrels on the Healey next week so I kinda need to know now.
lazs

Do tell old chap.
 Now there is a man of action. I salute you in your efforts to burn up as much of this pesky oil byproduct as fast as possible. The sooner we can get this done, the sooner we will be through with all of these pollutants.


I can`t help but notice that so far in this thread while we have a frenzy of hand wringing and teeth gnashing we seem to be missing sloutions. I mean by that, actual, feasible solutions. A cure , if you will.
Also quite noticeable is the unwillingness for personal sacrafice.
On the same note, I have noticed that when a direction question is proposed to the DDS ( Doomsday Sqaud), those questions are forfeited and passed over.
I have yet to get an answer to how the point is going to be reached to get all world leaders to agree on something while threatening to nuke each other in the process.
I also have not had it expalined to me where the magic wand is going to come from so that we will be able to bypass points A, B ,C, etc. and jump right to points D, E, F to avoid setting us back a few hundred years and doing more damge than good.
My non-quenchable thirst for knowledge demands answers to these and other questions.
Inquiring minds want to know. (Which btw, is where this dog and pony show belongs..The Enquirer)

[Maverick]

Natty iced, Nope not to you specifically but yes generally if you know what I mean.

Thrawn can the ice cores tell us how much snow fell for any given day, week, month, if there was a break in snow fall and what the weather was like at the equator?

While I am prepared to accept limited data from the ice core I won't acept it tells the entire story including timeline, temperatures below freezing and how fast the entire cycle went. You would have to swallow some pretty large assumptions in snow fall rates for a specific year to really guage the length of time the "ice age" lasted or how long it took the earth to warm up. How much snow fall is there in an ice age in a specific spot of the earth and is that spot representative ffor the rest of the geographic area?

[NattyIced]

Given what we do know, that the Earth has it's own climate shifts and cycles, we can safely assume it maintains it's own balance. In that, when the Earth warms up and stuff starts to melt, and the ocean currents change which change wind patterns and generally shake the Earth up. At some point there is an exchange with heat for cold, and I'm guessing we may just find out how in the next several decades.

Now, it keeps itself in balance in that it hasn't completely killed itself and become a dead planet. It reaches a climax of heat, and then it goes the opposite direction and freezes up much of itself. We know this, it's happened in the past and we have proof that it does this.

What we don't know is if we are accelerating this. People keep going on and on about "volcanos spew out more" and now "trees are accelerating it too", but the fact is, these are part of Earth's natural climate. We are introducing unnatural byproducts and pollutants that are adding onto Earth's naturally produced ones. We also pumped crap into the atmosphere that put a huge hole in the ozone. Anyway you slice it, we added to an already existing system. It may not have been balanced, but by adding to it, you can be certain that it won't follow the general path if we hadn't added to it.

That's my take the situation. I already said we can't fix it, but it's going to be a helluva ride in the future. Probably do wonders to thin out the masses, maybe we're just another part of Earth's system that needs to be brought back into check by a cataclysmic event.

[lazs2]

natty... trees may be a part of it but... they used to get burned up a lot more so.. that was the "natural" way of it.

I agree tho that it is impossible to know how much man is accelerating things if at all.

I also bring up again... that those of the doomsday squad have not solutions to offer save that there will have to be a lot of sacrafice by everyone save them....

They do seem to agree tho that a lot bigger and stronger government is a step in the right direction and suffering by people in other lands may be required.

lazs

[Angus]

Trees tie up Co2. Burn the tree and you release it again.
Plants tie up CO2 as well, they die, decay, become soil, maybe even oil if given enough time.
Formula:
6 CO2 + 6 H2 O „³CH12O6 + 6O2

So, there is something we can do to hold CO2, and there is no excuse not to try.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
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Plants tie up CO2 as well, they die, decay, become soil, maybe even oil if given enough time.
 

Rotting vegatation also PRODUCES CO2. So, in order to reap the benefits, the forests have to be thinned and maintained. That means machinery, which sets you back to a point of no gain and loss.
Holy moly........going to reinvent oil now Agnus?

So, there is something we can do to hold CO2, and there is no excuse not to try.

Yea, other than the fact that you can`t start at point D, E, F or so on . Point A is where you have to start. No magic wands.

[lazs2]

So... saving old forests is not a good idea?  we should cut em down or let em burn naturaly?

Natty... you say that there is no reason to not try.  I agree, to a point.

I agree that we not try to cause a great deal of harm and mitigate it where it is inexpensive or benificial but.... There comes a point where you do not want to destroy your way of life on the off chance that you MAY be helping to some measurable degree..

which brings us back too....

What do rolex and beet suggest we do to stop this juggernaut that is on our heels and about to crush us by the time most people make the last payment on that new car?

we don't have much time here.... what ever are we to do rolex and beet????

lazs