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« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2006, 07:18:01 PM »
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Oh poop.  You are right Sandman.  It is an inch a year.  

There are computer models showing it will depart.  Under normal circumstances, if the Moon was not being effected by other gravitational fields (i.e. the Sun), it would not depart.

There was a NASA special on one night running a model showing how it would depart and what effect it would have on Earth.  However, that information is not on NASA's WEB site, so I am not sure where to point you for it.


What will happen when the moon is gone???:confused:

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« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2006, 07:21:23 PM »
Some post comment comments. :)

Yes indeed, there are some skeptics. There always are skeptics to all scientific papers and findings. That is welcomed by all scientists as a means to force more stringent testing of their means, findings and logic. With a system as complicated as a planet, there are an enormous number of influences. You'll note that even hitech continously tries to improve his flight model, but only with known and verifiable physics and testing, not based on a non physics-based agenda.

Lets talk about Dr. Hansen (the "NASA guy").

In 1988, he created a stir with his testimony to Congress by presenting a graph of temperature rise modeling with 3 scenarios, since the future is always unknowable, including future CO2 emission and even volcanic eruption. He factored in a large eruption for 1995 as a placeholder (Mt. Pinatubo erupted in 1991, by chance).

The press and his critics (industry) jumped on his worse case projection of CO2 emission as being inflammatory, but Dr. Hansen testified at the time that the mid-range scenario was obviously his best estimate. Dr. Hansen has always agreed that any model needs to adjusted and modified over time and welcomes all data, without agenda.

His biggest critic, Patrick Michaels, testified before Congress ten years later and erased the low and mid-range scenario from Dr. Hansen's graph, leaving the upper scenario only and claiming that Dr. Hansen's projection was 300% off.

Well, guess what? Dr. Hansen's mid-range scenario projected in 1988 was very close to the actual observed mean global temperature. He was right. He also said, in 1999, that we needed another decade of observation to better tune the models. He, and the vast majority of scientists, agreed that observation of the poles will provide the best clues to whether the model is getting better.

If Dr. Hansen were in this for fame and money, he wouldn't be a government employee.

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Since then, the data is showing that our total system is more sensitive to CO2 than we thought and the surface mean temperature rise of the planet is showing an exponential curve, not a flat rise for scenarios based on CO2 emission.
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You should read ^ again. It's going to be awhile for the significance of this to filter down from the scientists, since they don't have very good handlers or PR people. The traditional environmental groups aren't any better.

I never said the world would end in 10 or 20 years. I said that we have probably a 10 year window to start taking action on reducing greenhouse gas emissions. And I never said this is an American problem.

It will take enormous guts to change our complete global thinking on energy production and usage within a generation. I'm not optimistic that it can be done.

I guess I'll respond to the cynics with this: what if the vast majority of scientists are right, and those of you who know next to nothing about it are wrong?

What are the economic and global political consequences? Later...
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« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2006, 07:54:57 PM »
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What will happen when the moon is gone???:confused:
The Moon is what keeps Earth's rotation somewhat stable.  It's gravitional pull exerts enough effect to keep the Earth from going into a tumbling rotation.
You know the tilt the Earth does twice every orbit of the Sun?  That tilt is halted by the Moon's gravitational pull.  Without it, the Earth would rotate very erratically.
Not to mention the reflected radiation from the Moon helps maintain a more tolerable temperature in absence of the Sun.
And there is the tidal problem.  Tides help keep the oceans currents running.  Without the currents, in some parts of the ocean, glaciers could drift farther south, melting which would eventually cause the oceans levels to rise faster than they could be evaporated away by the Sun.  As the Moon would no longer be there to aid evaporative effects at night.

Lots of bad stuff will happen when the Moon says so-long, to our little blue ball.
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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2006, 08:20:38 PM »
after much studying of the problem i have come to this conclusion.
the cause of global warming is the excessive use of stop lights, let me expound.

a car/truck/suv/ect has kinetic energy when moving, when it is forced to stop the brakes turn that energy into heat, it is the excessive stopping at red lights that sends all that heat into the atmosphere.

to save the planet we need to get rid of stop lights,it will also have the effect of reducing the population and that is also a good thing.

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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2006, 09:16:59 PM »
Wait.... you guys mean .....  WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2006, 09:35:53 PM »
How much of an increase in cost can we expect in the next 20 to 30 years for refrigeration of beer?

For every global warming theory supporter you find ,you can find one or two more shooting the theory down.
I would say global warming, even if it did exist, would be way down on the list of "Things To Wring Hands About".
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« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2006, 11:04:59 PM »
so we ain't gonna get snuffed suddenly by the weather.

bummer.

....'cause that would be ironic. I mean, after waging the war and terror, having to share my converstions and locations with the NSA by imperial decree, having airport security look up my bellybutton every time I want to hop on a shuttle, and then having to cough $3.69 outta the same orifice fer a gallon of gas...

..it would be somehow... i guess... poetic  to just get blown away by a class 5 hurricane here on Long Island next season, having been confidently assured that 'global warming is no big deal.
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« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2006, 04:03:41 AM »
I never knew that Davy Crockett couldn't spell.
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party of ladys/partisapate/arival
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« Reply #53 on: March 24, 2006, 04:17:35 AM »
Well let me tell ya something.
I live in a country with lots of glaciers.
They are melting and quite fast.
In Greenland (next door) they are also melting - quite fast.
On the Poles the ice is melting quite fast.
This was predicted, and is happening even faster than predicted.
So you can toss around any temperature numbers from various cities, - it won't make a difference. The warming is a fact.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2006, 04:32:22 AM »
We need a lot more nuclear power.
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« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2006, 04:50:15 AM »
Angus - unfortunately some people have closed minds, and your sound advice will fall on the deaf ears in some cases.

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« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2006, 05:14:25 AM »
Lol, did you see "Eric the Viking", - a sort of a Monty Python comedy?
Anyway, there was this king who didn't belive his island was sinking, even when sinking himself!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #57 on: March 24, 2006, 08:04:29 AM »
Ok... so what do we do about the moon departing.. the coming ice age... the global warming... an errant comet...  the reversing of the poles...

So long as I can get premium for under 3 bucks a gallon I don't really care.

So how come only a couple of scientists and rolex and beet and angus know about all this...  I mean damnit all!!!!!

This should be even more important than who will win American Idol!!  

this is huge!   More important maybe even than  Winchester dropping the model 70 and the model 94 from production...  

I better go buy an newspaper sometime soon... maybe even watch Fox news and CNN..  

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« Reply #58 on: March 24, 2006, 08:13:29 AM »
Rolex... Ok, since we are asking..

Talked to an engineer the other day who has a friend who's panels are in the 80% efficiancy range using focuwsing mirrors.. think 2 4' x 8' panels to power a house. Think about $2,000 for the entire system and think about the whole system going on sale a lowes or home depot and then a year or two later and Sams club... Your energy bill to run your house would essentialy be zero..

Now this could happen in the next couple years... solar allready is working to make for zero energy bills but at a cost of about $20k (half what it was 10 years ago tho)

So just suppose.... suppose no one had to hook up to the grid except for emergency and power plants ceased to exist?  

How would that affect your scenario of gloom?

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« Reply #59 on: March 24, 2006, 09:02:32 AM »
lazs2:
"So how come only a couple of scientists and rolex and beet and angus know about all this"

How comes you do not?

The view of gloom is manyfold.
Firstly, we do not know where the warming will end.
Cooling needs energy as well :D
Secondly, vast areas will go under water.

So, I suggest, that if you want to save on gas and heating bills that you move to Saudi Arabia :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)