The Confederate flag, Heratage or Hate..

[miko2d]

 Some people are professional life-time rabble-rousers. They mostly do not care about the issues - what they need is publicity. If you yield to one of their demands in anything, it will in no way stop their activity. If anything, it will make them more loud demanding something else. May as well make a stand now.

 As for the issue, no one will be allowed to have slaves, whatever banner he flies. All of us are descendants of slaves - slavery or serfdom was present everywhere at some point of history.

 miko

[Ripsnort]

"All of us are descendants of slaves - slavery or serfdom was present everywhere at some point of history."

Bingo...now, are reparations in order for this generation for yester-centuries atrocities of owning slaves?  You do know there are big time politically motivated groups trying to seek reparations similiar to what the Japanese got for WW2 confinements, don't you?

[sling322]

I know this is kinda off-topic, but these same PC folks are trying to force the Confederate Air Force to change their name also.  

I am so sick of the PC crowd telling us how we have to think and what is right and wrong.

[Ripsnort]

Sling, you and your family/friends have the power to change that, VOTE them bastiges out of office, get involved.

[mrfish]

heritage

(wobble - please note correct non-stereotype reinforcing spelling)

[Fury]

Does a flag symbolize anything?  What good are they unless they symbolize something?

Does the US flag represent freedom and the principles that this country stands for, or is it just a piece of cloth?

Does the confederate flag represent everything the South was about, or is it just a piece of cloth?

Does a flag with a swastika on it represent WWII-era Germany or is it just a piece of cloth?

To me a flag is more than just a piece of cloth, it's a symbol of something.  To some people, the swastika represents the horrible evil of WWII.  To some people, the confederate flag represents slavery and Civil War.  To some people, the US flag represents capitalistic oppression.

People will twist thoughts and ideas and symbols into whatever suits their needs.  Rather than thinking the confederate flag represents more than slavery, they will concentrate on slavery and Civil War to get their view across.  Rather than realize the swastika was around long before WWII they will concentrate on the bad in order to get their point across.

In and of themselves, I don't find any of those three flags offensive.  I personally only fly the US flag; I don't have any need to fly the others.  If someone started flying a swastika in my neighborhood, you can bet I'd wonder about it -- even though, as I said, I don't find it offensive.  It's the reasoning behind flying the flag that I wonder about.  And the only reason I would wonder about it is simply because I personally don't fly flags without a reason behind it.

I just realized I didn't really say a darn thing in this post.

ramble ramble ramble yadda yadda yadda

Fury

edit: Ok here's something.  What about burning the US flag on US soil?  Anyone offended by that?  If so, why?

[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 02-20-2001).]

[Frosty1]

Wobble you spelled heritage wrong..

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Originally posted by mrfish:
heritage

(wobble - please note correct non-stereotype reinforcing spelling)

Hehehehe ROFL  


what was the question? Oh yeah, heritage it is.

[TheWobble]

"wobble you spelled haritage wrong"

type "Heratage" in yahoo search, ya will get over 200 sites that spell it that way..so i must blame the media for me spelling it wrong  

 

Ok here's something. What about burning the US flag on US soil? Anyone offended by that? If so, why?

I would be more pissed than necessarly offended per say. why?
A: you live in this country, if you hate it enough to burn its flag you have no business being here, you are just taking up space for people who actually like and deserve living here.

B: the very thing you are burning is the symbol for what guarntees your right to do so., Hence You are an idiot.

C: dont like the flag, dont like the US PISS OFF!, if its so whoopee bad that ya feel the need to burn if why dont ya get your bellybutton out, since everywhere else is sooo much better, pack yer toejam and go over there, but make sure ya take a few flags with ya to burn if ya got bored on yer plane trip....and please take Jesse Jackson with you.

[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 02-20-2001).]

[StSanta]

I agree with wobble. In much the same way the nazi symbol really isn't about holocaust and opression, the confederate flag ain't about or associated with (this latter point being very important) racism.

Hint; look up the history of the symbol of the swastika to get my point.

I gather to some the association is as strong as it is for jews and the swastika.

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[paintmaw]

I thought that flag meant you were a cross-bred southern hillbilly !!!
slavery had nothing to do with civil war

[Jack55]

Slaves rightly have a case agaist slave owners.  They should sue.

The only valid issue on the flag is whether it should be an official symbol of a state.  Let the residents or their representatives vote.

[LJK Raubvogel]

 

Originally posted by Jack55:
Slaves rightly have a case agaist slave owners.  They should sue.
 

Ok, how many slaves are still alive in the US? (my wife doesnt count). Hell, I'll pay the legal costs for any slave in the US to sue their owners.

The point is, slavery is dead. Despite what it has come to mean in some peoples' minds, the Confederate flag is not a symbol of slavery anymore than a rowboat is a symbol of the slave trade.

[StSanta]

Raub, Germany still pay the descendants of the people they murdered during WWII.

It's a rather interesting question, really. Does one or does one not compensate for crimes that old?

And, is it *our*, the people currently alive, fault/who get hurt?



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[ET]

I am Northern born and bred.Family history goes back to 1600s in New England.Ancestors fought for the North in civil war.I live in So.Maryland where there is a move afoot to ban the Stars and Bars flag that that fly's over the graves of Southern P.O.W.s that died at Point Lookout P.O.W.Camp.I think the flag honors an army that fought valiently against tremendous odds and should be respected.Not many officers died in P.O.W.camps.Mostly poor farmers who did not want their state pushed around by Federal Government.State loyalty was much stronger and deeper than.Maybe five percent of Johnny Rebs owned slaves if that much.The KKK made that flag a symbol of hatred and when some people see it now they say there goes a redneck.That is major brainwashing.Since the KKK has made a burning cross a symbol of hatred now,does that mean the next target will be to ban all crosses.The American flag flew over legal slavery for years.When will it be banned ? This is all a tactic by people who have to keep their jobs and keep them by coming up with different causes to keep the pot boiling.