Gun crazy Swiss

[lazs2]

torque... what are you going on about?  The population of your country is 85% white with 9% asian and...  

A whopping 2% black.    What minorities are giving you your 1.8% murder rate?  How much do minorities contribute?

In the US we have a population that is 69% white...

12% hispanic and 12% black..   Hispanics commit murder at three times the rate of whites and blacks with 12% of the population commit over 51% of all the murders in the entire US.

our homicide rate for whites is about like that of any other whitebread socialist country... certainly not off by more than 1 per 100,000 or so...

I am certainly not going to go unarmed because the minorities can't control killing themselves (and us in rates 7 times higher than we kill them)

In fact....  I am much more likely to want to be armed.

The US is a very safe place but we have a lot of minorities who can't control themselves and white trash that can't either... no more than any place else but.. we have more minorities in the mix.

You are correct that there are areas where you would need to be armed but in those areas... even being armed doesn't help... even the cops are afraid to go there.  

Still.. even with all that... or maybe even because of it... this is still the very best country in the entire world to live in.

lazs

[Angus]

Originally posted by Shuckins
The Uniform Crime Reporting Program reports that the number of murders in the United States, from all causes (guns, knives, etc.) for the year 2004 was 16,100.  That yielded a murder rate of 5.1 per 100,000 population.  That rate has held true for the last several years, having fallen from a high of 24,000 per year.  

Iceland has a population of approximately 300,000.  There were fifteen murders in the country during the year 2005.  That yielded an overall murder rate of 5 per 100,000.  

The two rates then are 5.1 to 5.  That's about as close as one can get statistically.  If these rates are typical, then the U.S., which has 1,000 times the population SHOULD have about 1,000 times the number of murders that Iceland does.

I am afraid your numbers are wrong, or the comprehension?
There may have been 15 people in prison for murder which is typical, - and although our sentences are indeed soft, you still sit many a year behind bars for murder.
AFAIK no murder so far this year.

Look at this one:
http://www.nationmaster.com

nice site, although the numbers are not absolutely new.

[Angus]

For the slow student:
 
North America > United States > Crime statistics
AMERICAN CRIME STATS:    
   
 
Assaults  2,238,480 [1st of 57]  
Car thefts  1,147,300 [1st of 55]  
Drug offences  560.1 per 100,000 people [4th of 34]  
Murders  12,658 [6th of 62]  
Murders (per capita)  0.042802 per 1,000 people [24th of 62]  
Murders with firearms  8,259 [4th of 32]  
Murders with firearms (per capita)  0.0279271 per 1,000 people [8th of 32]  
Rapes  89,110 [1st of 65]  
Rapes (per capita)  0.301318 per 1,000 people [9th of 65]  
Total crimes  23,677,800 [1st of 60]  


So, if you say that ample artillery and ammo are keeping crime rate largely at bay, then either the USA is the least civilized western state, or, - you're wrong.
 

Compare with the French. A country packed with Frenchmen, Afros, and Muslims....riots as well.

FRENCH CRIME STATS:    
 
Assaults  106,484 [9th of 57]  
Car thefts  301,539 [4th of 55]  
Drug offences  176.1 per 100,000 people [14th of 34]  
Murders  1,051 [12th of 62]  
Murders (per capita)  0.0173272 per 1,000 people [40th of 62]  
Rape victims  0.7% [10th of 20]  
Rapes  8,458 [8th of 65]  
Rapes (per capita)  0.139442 per 1,000 people [15th of 65]  
Total crimes  3,771,850 [4th of 60]  
Total crimes (per capita)  62.1843 per 1,000 people [14th of 60]  


p.s. you are more than 60 times more likely to be prosecuted in the USA than in France. (AFAIK)

p.s. 2 to compare stats in your head there is roughly 1 Frenchman for every 4 Americans.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Isn't it a bit crazy that the land of the free is actually the land of the imprisoned? Maybe thats why the statue of liberty serves/served as a prison. Sign of things to come for immigrants..

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita

[storch]

when did the statue of liberty serve as a prison?  that's news to me could you please elaborate on this interesting story?

while you're at it explain to me how it is I'm imprisoned.

[storch]

angus,

you can't compare Americans with anyone else in the world.  we are a class onto ourselves and on the whole far superior to any other people.

the best you can hope for is compare yourselves with each other.  why not debate your relative worthlessness with other euros and leave us out?  

generally speaking we could care less about your governments, for instance I don't even know how iceland is governed and who the big kahuna there is.  on the other hand you could probably name all of the American presidents and write a paragraph on each administration outlining the overall legacy of each president.  you guys are more aware of our governmental policies than we are.  

you guys should focus on your problems. we can take care of our own and have enough surplus to take care of yours as well, as evidenced by the countless interdictions we are forced into by your consistent incompetencies and petty rivalries.

I wish that you lesser brings would content yourselves with your respective locales and worry less about us.  we are quite content with our society and our way of life.

it's independence day here today we don't need your guff.

thanks.

[Angus]

Storch, you have a level up.

Except for the "other people." Are they the rest of the world?

[Shuckins]

Angus, this is the site that I got those statistics from:

http://www.statice.is/?PageID=1289

I may have misinterpreted the statistics on murder.  This is one of those click and go charts, and those are sometimes difficult to manipulate properly.  

On the other hand, how is it that with the yearly average number of murders hovering around 5 that your prison system never shows more than 15 being incarcerated in any one year?  If your authorities imprison murderers for long periods of time as you state then there should be a larger number showing up on the charts.  

Again, I maintain that you're dealing from a stacked deck.  The isolation of your country, the homogenous nature and small size of your population, lends itself to a low crime rate.

There may be a cloud on the horizon for this idyllic state of yours however:  the increasing influence of east European mafia drug trafficking.  This group is expanding its influence world wide and is not adverse to using violence to further its ends.

Recent interceptions of major drug shipments to Iceland from Lithuanian mafia sources are raising concerns about the encroachment of this group on Icelandic soil.

According to Brynjar Nielsson, an advocate of the Supreme Court in Iceland, "The nature of crime is changing quickly and it is necessary to make use of all clues about international organized crime in this country.  International crime is setting down roots....and we should not be afraid to talk about it."

Been reading a number of online articles about crime and crime trends in Iceland.

[Shuckins]

Check out these stats on the top countries for murder:

In first place:

India - 37,170

Russia - 28,904

Colombia - 26,539

South Africa - 21,995

Mexico - 13, 829

United States - 12, 658

Source:  The Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems.  For the three year period 1998-2000.

I don't remember India having a gun-control problem.  Yet they lead the world in total number of murders.  Note also that the total number of murders for the U.S. is much lower than the 16,000 plus normally listed in FBI statistics.  That's because the number of justifiable homicides are NOT included in these statistics.

Note also that every single nation in the top 5 is known to be heavily involved in the trafficking of illegal drugs by organized crime.  Is there a correlation between the two?  You better believe it.  Would gun-control laws have an impact on those stats.  Certainly not.

If drug trafficking and the gang and organized crime that goes with it could be brought under control the murder and violent crime statistics of some of these countries would become almost nil.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur-crime-murders

[Curval]

Originally posted by storch
angus,

you can't compare Americans with anyone else in the world.  we are a class onto ourselves and on the whole far superior to any other people.



..and so modest too.  

the best you can hope for is compare yourselves with each other.  why not debate your relative worthlessness with other euros and leave us out?

Geography is certainly not your strong suit Storch.  Iceland is not in the continent of Europe and I'm not aware that Iceland is even in the EU.  You, like others, like to basket any "other people" as Euros and it just shows your ignorance.

generally speaking we could care less about your governments, for instance I don't even know how iceland is governed and who the big kahuna there is.  on the other hand you could probably name all of the American presidents and write a paragraph on each administration outlining the overall legacy of each president.  you guys are more aware of our governmental policies than we are.  

Indeed.  It is called being educated about the world, rather than just the place in which you live.  I'm surprised to see you admit your ignorance.

you guys should focus on your problems. we can take care of our own and have enough surplus to take care of yours as well, as evidenced by the countless interdictions we are forced into by your consistent incompetencies and petty rivalries.

I agree that Angus and others should focus on their own problems.  This thread was started by Charon, an American, who decided to start a post about gun crazy Swiss people.

Just what "countless interdictions" have the US been forced into since WW2?  Or are you playing the old "we saved your butts in WW2" broken record again?

I wish that you lesser brings would content yourselves with your respective locales and worry less about us.  we are quite content with our society and our way of life.

You are content with your society?  LOL.  All I see in these gun threads is how gangs and the crimminal element REQUIRE gun ownership for protection in the US.  Then I read all the immigration threads and see just how disconteneted you guys are, particularly with respect to Mexicans.

it's independence day here today we don't need your guff.

I was going to start a thread a while ago saying Happy 4th of July to all the Americans on the board.  After reading your post above I decided not to.

thanks.

...whatever

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[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Compare with the French.

"Now that`s funny.
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I don`t care who you are."

[Angus]

Schuckins:
You're spot on there in many things. Indeed we only  have some 15 or so locked in for murder as a total. And many of those charts are a bit confusing.
Some years there is no murder at all, and some have a few, but anyway, the figures are low.
As for the changing environment, it is true, - our problem could be the mafias of the eastern blocks, mostly Lithuania/Latvia.
Out of those very few murders we have (one of the most recent convictions was probably manslaugher due to carelessness) we have victims from the baltics and one Vietnamese as well!)
Although the number of immigrants as a % is yet small, it has multiplied in the last few years, and the people coming are mostly for the poorer end, - gold-diggers. Just like the latinos in the USA.....

Anyway, I'm glad they can't even buy guns, hehe.

And Storch, you will have to figure out yourself what level-up means.....

[Jackal1]

One person can make all the difference in the world.
The difference between life and death....for a lot of people.
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Police praise man who shot at robber

11:23 PM CDT on Wednesday, July 4, 2007

By MARISSA ALANIS / The Dallas Morning News
malanis@dallasnews.com

A Fort Worth man who only wanted to protect his wife stuck in an Albertsons store during a robbery is being hailed for his heroics by police.
3500 block of Sycamore School Road, Fort Worth

The retired man may have shot one of the robbery suspects early Wednesday at the store in the 3500 block of Sycamore School Road.

Three men armed with guns robbed the store shortly after midnight and stole wallets and purses belonging to customers, said Lt. Dean Sullivan, a Fort Worth police spokesman.

The man, whom police didn't identify because he is a witness, saw two of the men walking around nervously before they entered the store. The witness said he called 911 when one of the men pulled out a gun and fired as he walked into the store.

About 20 seconds later, the witness's wife tried to call him from her cellphone inside the store. But he never got to talk to her.

"I just heard her saying, 'There is nothing in my purse,' " he recalled. "And there was a 'pow.' The phone went dead."

The man, who has a concealed handgun license, sprang into action. He walked into the store with his .45-caliber pistol under his shirt.

"I really thought I'd find her in the store shopping and get her out the back door," he said. "That was my intention. ... I had no intention of confronting these armed bandits."

But in the store, one of the robbers pointed the gun at the man. The man then fired twice. The robber ran away, and it's unknown whether he returned fire, Lt. Sullivan said. Outside the store, the retired man fired again.

Lt. Sullivan said Rayshaun Johnson was possibly hit during the robbery. Mr. Johnson, 17, was injured on his backside and foot. He was dropped off in the parking lot of Huguley Memorial Medical Center in Fort Worth.

Lt. Sullivan said Mr. Johnson faces a charge of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon once he's released from the hospital. Police continue to search for the other two suspects. Suspect descriptions were unavailable.

The man said he does not feel like a hero.

"I don't feel good at all that there is an 18-year-old guy who's been injured and is going to go to some terrible place because it was a horrible mistake that somebody talked him into," he said. "I was worried about my wife. I just wanted to get her out of there." "

[storch]

last week (or maybe the week before last) in sunrise, fl.  a retired guy aged 72 was in the head at a wendy's that was being robbed.  as he exited the head he was confronted by the two armed youths.  the retiree a concealed weapons certificate holder shot both would be robbers, killing one.

I don't think it made papers I caught a glimpse of this story on the TV news.

mr curval, I believe iceland is considered to be part of europe and in any event for all intents and purposes the people who inhabit those islands are indeed european.  clearly they are not American.  If I may call your attention to another matter mr curval, you may want to refrain from engaging me in intardnet eye gouging matches.  the last time you squealled like a pink short wearing flit...well never mind.  in any case you are far too sensitive for rough word play so I'll give you a free pass this time.

carry on with your handwrining and over concern regarding the goings on in ours, the greatest of all republics.

 out of curiosity I decided to check up on iceland, to see where it was considered to be a geographic part of  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland

It seems the person needing the geography lesson has been too busy two stroking about in a half pair of trousers.

[Angus]

The first white guy born in America was actually an Icelander.
But that's another story
(back in those days, the well armed Icelanders were hacking and shooting each others at a very good pace)

And those 2 armed youths were....armed?