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« Reply #165 on: September 21, 2007, 08:35:17 AM »
Interesting comment about HO...

:huh "...talk about Hijacked Offtopic..."

:cool: "Dude! The thread has been HO-ed and is going down in flames!

:D "...but it is good for a little psyc-HO-logical amusement!

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« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2007, 08:45:43 AM »
BoxBoy,

I am still waiting for an answer but I am willing to back off for a bit.  Seeing the slapping you are receiving from BigHorn makes me feel sorry for you.  

BigHorn, please let me know when you are done with him and please do leave some for me, k?

:rofl :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2007, 09:27:21 AM »
So at best case the president overrode military protocals and gave your unit a PUC as a training medal? your comments go along way toward explaining your attitude. Sadly (no disrespect to you intended) you were part of a small "push button" contingent with no actual interaction with your adversary in a "war" that thankfully was never fought. I'm sure that a significant amount of effort was expended to dehumanize those who you might be forced to incinerate. Compare that to the average Marine PFC's footlocker which inevitably has two things...alot of pictures of his buddies...and pics of small children, villages and other local sites.

The sad reality is that you too are a cold war relic better retired along with your ATLAS's....

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« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2007, 10:46:23 AM »
Humble, I doubt he has ever seen VAFB from the inside. I doubt he served in 576 SMS in the '60s.

He had no clue how 576 was organized into SAC, even less how many launch sites were and which Atlas models where at which sites.

He doesn't want to answer which crew he was member of. Not sure if he even knows how many were in Atlas F silo combat crew.

Got forbid he'd answer if I ask him about MCCC, DMCC, BMAT, MET or EPPT, or even go into technical details of HGM-16F.

He can remember everything about Israel, Greece and Europe in general in WWII, but when it comes to his alleged service, one which he is so proud of it and means a lot to patriot like him, things get very blurry and memory becomes weak.

Just another Voss/Mr. Black/Iceman...

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« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2007, 01:05:06 PM »
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I am tired of laying down /B]


Looks like he was made to lay down again :rofl

Get up BoxBoy!!!! Fight !!!!!! I asked Bihorn to let you post twice before he slams you to the ground again and he said its ok :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2007, 01:34:25 PM »
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Humble, I doubt he has ever seen VAFB from the inside. I doubt he served in 576 SMS in the '60s.

He had no clue how 576 was organized into SAC, even less how many launch sites were and which Atlas models where at which sites.

He doesn't want to answer which crew he was member of. Not sure if he even knows how many were in Atlas F silo combat crew.

Got forbid he'd answer if I ask him about MCCC, DMCC, BMAT, MET or EPPT, or even go into technical details of HGM-16F.

He can remember everything about Israel, Greece and Europe in general in WWII, but when it comes to his alleged service, one which he is so proud of it and means a lot to patriot like him, things get very blurry and memory becomes weak.

Just another Voss/Mr. Black/Iceman...


Guess you can't read the link I provided CLEARLY showed the 576th as

1. Being in existance in 1962 at Vandenberg (you said it wasn't)

2.  Clearly showed the Missile types there at the time (you said 576 had no F models)

3.  Clearly spoke to the Cuban Missile Crisis and the fact that "ORI" status was changed to operational (cause for the award)

in short it proved what I have been saying, but you will continue to ignor facts post your venom.  If you want to send me your e-mail addy I will gladly provide you with a copy of my DD-214, where I live and an invitation to come call me a liar to my face.

I never said I was part of a missile crew YOU did, a missile squadron has many members who are NOT on a crew, they are of STILL members of the squadron.

AS for the crew acronyms Missile Combat Crew Commander, Deputy Missile Crew Commader, (have forgotten what BMAT was), and Emergency Power Production Tech, I am familiar.  You of course will just say I goodled the info.

As for your googled 1967 aerial of "B" site, it means nothing, since we also had "F" silos there and "B" site was actually B-1 B-2 B-3 as I recall.

Your attempt to make out that I have lied will blow in your face if you have the guts to come meet me.

This has gone beyond, simple posting and has crossed into liable, if you can't prove I wasn't there.
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« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2007, 01:39:22 PM »
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This has gone beyound, simple posting and has crossed into liable, if you can't prove I wasn't there.


And you took it there :rofl

Now, where is my answer.  I don't mind being hated but it would be nice to know why :lol
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« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2007, 01:47:03 PM »
A patch collector's site? You're kidding, right?
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« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2007, 01:56:52 PM »
This HO thread turned out to be more entertaining than usual. Keep up the good work, guys! :aok
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« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2007, 01:57:15 PM »
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A patch collector's site? You're kidding, right?


Well it speaks to the history and that is all I care, how much research of have you done Hub I will tell you NONE.
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« Reply #175 on: September 21, 2007, 01:58:52 PM »
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And you took it there :rofl

Now, where is my answer.  I don't mind being hated but it would be nice to know why :lol


Your old history Ded and for me have been out this for sometime, your stupid but not stupid enough to cross the line.
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« Reply #176 on: September 21, 2007, 02:06:54 PM »
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Guess you can't read the link I provided CLEARLY showed the 576th as

1. Being in existance in 1962 at Vandenberg (you said it wasn't)
Uhm no, I said 567th had nothing to do with 15th AF at that time

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2.  Clearly showed the Missile types there at the time (you said 576 had no F models)
Uhm no, I said your 576B site had never any F silo

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3.  Clearly spoke to the Cuban Missile Crisis and the fact that "ORI" status was changed to operational (cause for the award)
Uhm no, it became operational few years earlier. If you mean 'missiles on alert', that's something completely different, and if you were there, you'd know exactly which of 576A, 576B, 576C, 576D, 576E, etc were on alert, from when and until when.
No PUC was awarded to 576th SMS during your 'service'.

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in short it proved what I have been saying, but you will continue to ignor facts post your venom.  If you want to send me your e-mail addy I will gladly provide you with a copy of my DD-214, where I live and an invitation to come call me a liar to my face.



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I never said I was part of a missile crew YOU did, a missile squadron has many members who are NOT on a crew, they are of STILL members of the squadron.
So, what exactly you were doing in 576th SMS? I'd like to discuss some technical details.

BTW, You've said you were at 576B, that means you should be CC member.

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You of course will just say I goodled the info.
Exactly

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As for your googled 1967 aerial of "B" site, it means nothing, since we also had "F" silos there and "B" site was actually B-1 B-2 B-3 as I recall.
As I have already told you, 576B1-B2-B3 were HGM-16D coffins.
576D, 576E and OSTF2 (aka 576G) had HGM-16Fs

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Your attempt to make out that I have lied will blow in your face if you have the guts to come meet me.
You want to beat me up?

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This has gone beyond, simple posting and has crossed into liable, if you can't prove I wasn't there.
I believe it's against the law to lie about military service, especially about things like awards.

Now back to facts about your B site and Atlas F. You'll notice that only Ds were launched from 576B during your service.
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1961 November 29 -  23:01 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 53D.
1961 December 7 -  21:18 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 82D.
1962 January 17 -  21:02 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 123D.
1962 January 23 - 21:28 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 132D.
1962 February 16 -  23:04 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 137D.
1962 February 21 -  22:30 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 52D. FAILURE: Failure.
1962 March 24 -  00:39 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 134D.
1962 April 12 -  01:57 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 129D.
1962 April 27 - 23:24 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 140D.
1962 May 12 -  00:31 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 127D.
1962 June 26 -  10:57 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 21D.
1962 July 12 - 16:57 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 141D.
1962 July 19 - 11:05 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B1. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 13D.
1962 August 9 -  22:51 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 8D.
1962 August 9 - 23:05 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 87D.
1962 October 2 -  11:46 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 4D. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 January 25 -  10:44 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 39D. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 March 10 -  02:42 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 102D. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 March 12 - 05:21 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 64D.
1963 March 15 - 11:38 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B1. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 46D. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 July 31 -  20:52 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B1. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 143D.
1963 August 28 - 23:10 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 142D.
1963 September 6 - 21:59 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 63D. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 September 11 - 21:00 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B1. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 84D. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 November 13 -  22:35 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 158D. FAILURE: Failure.
1965 January 12 -  14:32 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B1. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 166D.
1965 January 21 -  21:34 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576B3. Launch Vehicle: Atlas D. Model: Atlas D. LV Configuration: Atlas D 172D. FAILURE: Failure.

And you'll notice that none of F launches happened at 576B
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1962 August 1 -  21:07 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576E. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 15F.
1962 August 10 -  21:11 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: OSTF. Launch Pad: OSTF2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 57F. FAILURE: Failure.
1962 November 14 -  22:36 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: OSTF. Launch Pad: OSTF2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 13F. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 March 16 -  02:05 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576D. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 63F.
1963 March 21 -  21:10 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: OSTF. Launch Pad: OSTF2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 83F.
1963 March 24 -  00:29 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576E. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 52F. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 October 4 -  05:17 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576G. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 45F. FAILURE: Failure.
1963 December 18 -  22:56 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576G. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 109F.
1964 April 3 -  20:26 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576G. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 3F. FAILURE: Failure.
1964 August 7 -  20:12 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576E. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 110F.
1964 August 31 -  15:46 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576D. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 36F.
1965 January 8 -  18:59 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: 576. Launch Pad: 576G. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 106F.
1965 August 5 -  13:21 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: ABRES. Launch Pad: ABRESA2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 147F.
1966 August 8 -  17:47 GMT - Launch Site: Vandenberg. Launch Complex: ABRES. Launch Pad: ABRESA2. Launch Vehicle: Atlas F. LV Configuration: Atlas F 149F. FAILURE: Failure.


So, I really suggest, either you get your facts straight or you stop posting about 576th SMS service all together.
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« Reply #177 on: September 21, 2007, 02:15:59 PM »
Just doing that google bit.  Atlas D does seem to be the key.

Included in the transfer was the 704 Strategic Missile Wing, which had been activated as USAF first missile wing on July 1, 1957.  The 704th had  a dual mission of training missile crews for other units and attaining an operation capability with the Atlas ICBM.  It had one Atlas D squadron, the 576th Strategic Missile Squadron assigned.  Activated on 1 April, the 576th had a dual responsibility of maintaining an Atlas D alert force and providing training for other SAC Atlas units.


the squadron was reactivated on 6 March 1958 as the 576th Strategic Missile Squadron (SMS) assigned to Cook AFB (later renamed Vandenberg AFB). On 1 April 1958, the 576th was assigned to the Strategic Air Command (SAC) as an Atlas Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) unit, the nation's first ICBM unit. On 2 April 1966, the 576th was once again inactivated.



In January 1958, ARDC transferred the base to the Strategic Air Command (SAC). With facilities under construction for America’s first ICBM, on April 1, 1958, Headquarters SAC activated the 576th Strategic Missile Squadron. On October 4, 1958, Cooke AFB was renamed Vandenberg AFB in honor of the late General Hoyt S. Vandenberg, the Air Force's second Chief of Staff.

The first Atlas launcher to be completed (576A-1) was accepted from the contractor by the 1st Missile Division on October 16, 1958. The first Atlas D missile arrived the following February. Initially, the squadron’s Atlas D missiles were deployed at complexes 576A and 576B. Complex 576A consisted of three above-ground gantries; 576B had three above-ground coffin launchers of a type that would be constructed at other sites. Each complex had one launch control center.

The 576th SMS launched its first Atlas D on September 9, 1959. Immediately following the launch, SAC’s Commander in Chief, General Thomas S. Power declared Vandenberg’s Atlas missile operational. A month later, the squadron’s Atlas missiles were placed on an alert status. The activation had more psychological value than military value as the reliability of the Atlas D missile was highly questionable. Improved versions were already undergoing production along with launch facilities to support them. As the above-ground sites became operational, construction continued on a buried coffin launcher to hold an Atlas E missile (designated launch site 576C) and work began on two Atlas F silo lift launchers (576D and 5763).

By 1962, 11 prototype Atlas complexes had been constructed at Vandenberg AFB.

Project "Added Effort", the Air Force nickname for the programmed phaseout of all first-generation ICBMs, began on 1 May 1964 when the first Atlas D's were taken off alert at the 576th Strategic Missile Squadron
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« Reply #178 on: September 21, 2007, 02:19:49 PM »
I'm not sure how this has been allowed to go on this long, but it amazes the crap out of me.

Why don't you chill with the personal attacks on the boards.  You have PM's that you can hadle this through, exchange phone numbers, send each other post cards, meet at the local McDonald's, I don't care but please take your pointless and juvenile arguments out of the public eye.

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« Reply #179 on: September 21, 2007, 02:21:04 PM »
I think this one is fully cooked.