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Offline straffo

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« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2007, 05:54:14 PM »
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well all I say is he's a politian after all  come now france, give it up :D


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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2007, 06:09:20 PM »
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I think KgB and one or two others (forgot their names atm) are a lot closer to anti-american, that's true.

Think again.
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« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2007, 10:26:48 PM »
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Yes, the way you belittle me and ignore my argument is very telling indeed.


I wasn't belittling you.
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« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2007, 03:17:23 AM »
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I wasn't belittling you.


So your post wasn't directed at me? Seemed that way since you quoted me.

If you post was indeed directed at me you belittled me and my motivations behind my post, literally ing them off as nothing more than supposed insecurity in myself and my country.






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            Thesaurus: deprecate, disparage, deride, scorn, ridicule, depreciate, disdain, minimize;

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« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2007, 05:29:58 AM »
Am I missing a point here? Maybe it has something to do with my generation but I always laugh when I here people defending our government's actions and policies by invoking patriotism or spouting some pep rally style "U.S. is Best!" gibberish.

I am an American, a true American, not some second or third generation Ellis Island charity case. My ancestors fought the revolution, the War of Northern Aggression both Great Wars and all the conflicts in between. And I still have a hard time aligning my love for the people of this country, my awe at the productivity of this country with the actions of our country's government.

As Americans we are obligated to be culturally superior the lesser societies of the world. Part of that obligation requires us to question the motives and actions of those we pay to administer our national interests. And to apply our morality and logic to their actions.

I hate that I see my government behaving like the tyrannies our fathers paid so dearly to defeat and purge from humanity.
I hate that I see in our culture an inexorable slide into a lowest common denominator mindset. I hate that with almost 300 million citizens, the best we can come up with for candidates to the exalted position of Commander in Chief are the ones we are considering today.
I'm sickened by many things I see in my country everyday. Is that un-American?  

As for France, I don't see that we've really ever truly repaid them in kind for the debt we owe. Remember that were it not for France, we would likely never existed as a nation at all. We have never endured the history of the European countries and don't live with the national memories of the kind of devastation war has brought to many other nations of the world, neither has Britain. to expect any Continental government to have the same views as we do regarding national policy is uninformed, arrogant and, well, just un-American.

Surely someone will rebut that we honored our historical obligation to the French and will point to the endless cemeteries filled with allied soldiers of both wars. Just remember how we fought in France, the civilian casualty estimates used by the strategists, the offhand support offered to partisans, the millions we allowed to die until we were drawn into the European engagement by a collateral defense treaty we weren't even a party to. Because we declared war on a nation on the opposite side of the planet.

If we had to worry about 90 year old unexploded bombs in our backyards, I trust we would have a bit more pragmatic view of armed conflict. It is our privilege and obligation to be the standard by which the world measures itself and only with mature and educated introspection can we hope to honor that obligation. Not by by assuming your backyard is better than another's simply because YOU were born there.

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« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2007, 07:47:58 AM »
Oh crap, an apologist.  Never understand why someone feels the need to apologize for our country.  Probably just another Hillary lover.   :rofl
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« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2007, 08:45:55 AM »
It speaks, but it has no answers.

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« Reply #67 on: November 14, 2007, 10:29:16 AM »
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It speaks, but it has no answers.


Look, viking speaks but has no brains.
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« Reply #68 on: November 14, 2007, 11:06:27 AM »
He means you just tagged Thruster with an "apologist" accusation without giving any supporting evidence, and then followed that up with a Hillary lover assertion, it too without explicit proof...
You haven't answered Straffo's question, which by your account should be easy enough to satisfy.
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« Reply #69 on: November 14, 2007, 11:13:34 AM »
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Look, viking speaks but has no brains.


you breath and have none either.

Where is my answer ?

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« Reply #70 on: November 14, 2007, 11:25:30 AM »
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you breath and have none either.

Where is my answer ?


When you pay my salary, you can give me assignments.  Seems we have done enough for the ungrateful that I don't care to accept assignments from you.

Why don't you explain Les Guignols d'Info to those not familiar with it.  Explain that while there isn't a single television show in America that is devoted to insulting the French, explain in an honest manner the treatment of America on Les Guignols d'Info.

You won't of course, nor will you discuss the treatment of America in the French newspapers.  You are not an honest person, nor forthright.

You have shown me in the past that you are a person of poor character, of low upbringing, and no class.  I don't consider you a person worthy of response to your questions or challenges.

But, I am sure you will be happy to ask America for help the next time France needs help.
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« Reply #71 on: November 14, 2007, 12:11:11 PM »
Crap, Dago... You've already been told the Guignols are just as unrestrained with French politicians and celebrities as with American ones.  Are you just going "nananana" plugging your ears or what?

I know the French like the back of my hand and I can tell you with almost no doubt that you're just stung by their irreverence to the point that you'll deny they are anything but "hillary lovers" or whatever.  Surrender monkeys and all that.  Isn't someone with class supposed to be a little more impartial than that?

One of the fundamental purposes of the Guignols is to be as offensive as they are to you.. :D It's comedy.
The same way Colbert made such a splash at that dinner stepping on Bush's cape, the Guignols will do every night about whatever they deem ridiculous or otherwise comical enough.
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« Reply #72 on: November 14, 2007, 12:13:46 PM »
I'll say why your "Guignol" card is flawed :

Canal + the channel hosting this show as 3 to 4% of the audience the all time max people in front of the Guignol was 10%

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« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2007, 12:16:31 PM »
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So your post wasn't directed at me? Seemed that way since you quoted me.

If you post was indeed directed at me you belittled me and my motivations behind my post, literally ing them off as nothing more than supposed insecurity in myself and my country.






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            Thesaurus: deprecate, disparage, deride, scorn, ridicule,
depreciate, disdain, minimize;


Seemed to me he was belittling Dago.... but that was just my take.. ;)

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« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2007, 12:18:11 PM »
I'm actualy impressed the Guignols actualy were so accurately apreciated for the unrestrained comedy they are, so far outside of France :lol
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