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« Reply #720 on: January 05, 2008, 11:46:26 AM »
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Tell that to the SC? Sorry your honors we fired that mofo, lets just all fuhgetaboutit eh?
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« Reply #721 on: January 05, 2008, 11:51:40 AM »
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Peter Nickles, Fenty's soon-to-be interim attorney general, described his legal team as the "superheroes of Supreme Court practice." Nickles fired Alan Morrison, who wrote much of the brief as counsel to former Attorney General Linda Singer, in late December.



Must have fired him for doing such a good job on the brief as noted above.

The justices chose their own wording for what they want to decide in the Heller case.

What do you think the SC will say to DC's attorneys about not answering the question in the brief? You think the SC enjoys being snowed with unrelated blather instead of getting a direct answer to their question?

It will be interesting. You might want to research the actual question the SC posed in Heller; it will help you as this case unfolds I think.
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« Reply #722 on: January 05, 2008, 11:52:42 AM »
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Must have fired him for doing such a good job on the brief as noted above.

The justices chose their own wording for what they want to decide in the Heller case.

What do you think the SC will say to DC's attorneys about not answering the question in the brief? You think the SC enjoys being snowed with unrelated blather instead of getting a direct answer to their question?

It will be interesting. You might want to research the actual question the SC posed in Heller; it will help you as this case unfolds I think.



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« Reply #723 on: January 05, 2008, 02:17:53 PM »
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Peter Nickles, Fenty's soon-to-be interim attorney general, described his legal team as the "superheroes of Supreme Court practice." Nickles fired Alan Morrison, who wrote much of the brief as counsel to former Attorney General Linda Singer, in late December.


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Must have fired him for doing such a good job on the brief as noted above.

The justices chose their own wording for what they want to decide in the Heller case.

What do you think the SC will say to DC's attorneys about not answering the question in the brief? You think the SC enjoys being snowed with unrelated blather instead of getting a direct answer to their question?

It will be interesting. You might want to research the actual question the SC posed in Heller; it will help you as this case unfolds I think.



Morrison, who has argued 20 cases before the high court, had been hired by then-AG Linda Singer, who resigned two weeks ago. Morrison suggested to the WaPo that he was fired as part of a feud between Nickles and Singer.

D.C.’s 15,000-word brief is scheduled to be filed with the Supremes tomorrow, reports the WaPo, and Morrison had already been practicing for oral argument. AG Nickles said yesterday that a team of lawyers helping with the case — including iPhone expert Tom Goldstein of Akin Gump and Walter Dellinger of O’Melveny (and Duke Law) — would remain on board. Nickles, who used to work at Covington, also hinted that he might employ the services of his former colleague Robert Long.

“The brief we are submitting is a "fabulous brief", a winning brief by a great team,” Nickles told the WaPo. “We will not miss a step. . . . Alan is a very good lawyer, but I decided to move in a different direction. It’s not as if one person is indispensable.”

David Vladeck, a Georgetown Law professor and the brother of the suddenly ubiquitous NY employment lawyer Anne Vladeck, begs to differ. “This is a case that requires an unusual amount of preparation because one of the issues comes back to, ‘What did those folks who wrote the Bill of Rights really mean when they wrote the Second Amendment?’ ” Vladeck, a friend of Morrison, told the WaPo. “In addition to needing a good lawyer and appellate advocate, you need someone who has immersed himself in very complex historical sources. Alan has been doing that for two or three months by now. Whoever takes over this case will start many, many, many laps behind where we ought to be.”

"This is not something I sought or expected," Dellinger says, but he agreed to Nickles' offer, first made to him on Wednesday night, to help the city. Dellinger had never met Nickles before and says he does not know why Morrison was fired. "Alan is a truly exceptional lawyer," says Dellinger, adding that he hopes to "reach out" to Morrison for his insights on the case as he prepares for oral argument.


Your eyes must be brown Toad?
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« Reply #724 on: January 05, 2008, 03:45:05 PM »
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I personally find it amusing that so many people think of the Constitution as some cosmicly complicated, inscrutable arcane piece of writing that only some first-in-his-class Harvard law grad that grew up to be an SC justice can understand.



I find it equally amusing that some prize their opinion (and refuse to accept it as such) on meaning more than those vested with the responsibility of rendering the rulings. Even more than noteworthy scholars.

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If this be hubris, then it is hubris in the fine tradition of the men that had the audacity to rebel against England and create this experiment in government.


You sure `bout that? If so, apparently I hold our forefathers in higher regard than you:

Hubris
Noun
1. Overbearing pride or presumption.

(No other definition provided)

http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definition/hubris

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« Reply #725 on: January 05, 2008, 03:53:15 PM »
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as i said before the SC is not always right, IE dred scott.


As I said before, just because it's your opinion that doesn't make it a universal fact. Whether I agree or not, try not to confuse the two. It makes it so much easier to actually have a productive debate with another. That or you can just whine "troll" because you weren't entirely agreed with or because someone critisized your method of argument.

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« Reply #726 on: January 05, 2008, 05:28:39 PM »
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You sure `bout that? If so, apparently I hold our forefathers in higher regard than you:


I think the Brits viewed it as extreme hubris. The other side always does. :)
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« Reply #727 on: January 05, 2008, 05:32:50 PM »
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I find it equally amusing that some prize their opinion (and refuse to accept it as such) on meaning more than those vested with the responsibility of rendering the rulings. Even more than noteworthy scholars.
 


More individual freedom or more government power? Which would the Founders favor?

No comment on Raich v Ashcroft or Kelo v City of New London? Nothing to add to your previous comments on judicial activism? Or do you agree with those rulings?

And if the Congress banned the practice of the Catholic religion would you think that was unconstitutional? Would you be certain about it either way?
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« Reply #728 on: January 05, 2008, 06:00:37 PM »
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As I said before, just because it's your opinion that doesn't make it a universal fact. Whether I agree or not, try not to confuse the two. It makes it so much easier to actually have a productive debate with another. That or you can just whine "troll" because you weren't entirely agreed with or because someone critisized your method of argument.

You're welcome. :D


what did he just say? :huh

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« Reply #729 on: January 05, 2008, 06:10:27 PM »
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More individual freedom or more government power? Which would the Founders favor?


Federalists favored the latter .. confederalists the former.

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No comment on Raich v Ashcroft or Kelo v City of New London? Nothing to add to your previous comments on judicial activism? Or do you agree with those rulings?


My agreement or disagreement does not a SC judge make of me. I've got no problem with someone voicing that in their opinion they believe a ruling was wrong and their basis for such but I don't much see anyone who claims superior knowledge regarding the second amendment because the interpretation under debate by judges and scholars for over a century (or more) is "obviously plain" .... to them (and anyone in disagreement is obviously not honest or capable of average intelligence). That's a lazy (and, quite frankly, insecure) method of argument.

If you feel you have a convincing case, form it officially and present. But I'm fairly sure presenting "Well, ain't it obvious or are you guys stupid?" ain't gonna make much headway. :D

There is no such thing as "judicial activism." Cases are brought to judges (and justices) and ruled on ... on a case by case basis ... precedent either applied or established. Let go of the rationalized buzzword groupthink bs you think rawks and embrace reason.

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And if the Congress banned the practice of the Catholic religion would you think that was unconstitutional? Would you be certain about it either way?


If spacebats landed tomorrow and ......

*ShruG*
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« Reply #730 on: January 05, 2008, 06:13:59 PM »
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what did he just say? :huh


What part of "you're more impressed with your own opinions (aka 'facts of faith') than I am" can you not figure out, oh expert of the Second Amendment? :D

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« Reply #731 on: January 05, 2008, 06:18:51 PM »
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I think the Brits viewed it as extreme hubris. The other side always does. :)


It doesn't take a Brit to recognize. It's pretty easy. Take, for instance, someone proclaiming their stance is obviously right based on the rightness and obviousness of it (and anyone disputing said stance is either dishonest or of sub-par intelligence) but when pressed for a real argument they can't really muster one. When the wrongness and obviousness of their attitude and claim is challenged, they're too proud to back off. :D
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« Reply #732 on: January 05, 2008, 06:28:39 PM »
Lol, Arlo... all you do is dodge.

C'mon, take a stand man. Trust your own intelligence. Embrace liberty.

I get the distinct feeling you'd have been a Tory during the Revolution.

From what you post about your inability to decide simple right and wrong issues, I'd have to mentally put you in the pen with the rest of the sheeple. Apparently you feel you can't read simple declaritive sentences and understand what they say.

What do you think about that 5th Amendment clip? Too complicated to understand? :)
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« Reply #733 on: January 05, 2008, 06:33:33 PM »
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Lol, Arlo... all you do is dodge.

C'mon, take a stand man. Trust your own intelligence. Embrace liberty.

I get the distinct feeling you'd have been a Tory during the Revolution.



*Yawn* (chuckle)

Again. Dodge? What part of my observation that your and my opinions are just opinions required you proving they're not .... by asking if my opinion matches yours? When you can figure out how to answer that I may be inclined to compare opinions (AND offer what I back it with).

Got feet? :D

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« Reply #734 on: January 05, 2008, 06:56:23 PM »
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*Yawn* (chuckle)

Again. Dodge? What part of my observation that your and my opinions are just opinions required you proving they're not .... by asking if my opinion matches yours? When you can figure out how to answer that I may be inclined to compare opinions (AND offer what I back it with).

Got feet? :D



is that a yes or no?