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« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2008, 10:00:02 PM »
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Hellooooo extremist hyperbole. :D


How am I extreme?  I am only stating the truth.  Obama is a Black Supremacist and Hillary is a...well...Clinton.
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« Reply #121 on: January 29, 2008, 10:00:20 PM »
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You forget that we fought a war before the Revolution.  The British King was taxing England more for OUR WAR than he was taxing us.  


Sure, we didn't have any representation, but to gripe about the "Taxes" is really just a front.  We had a lot more freedom then after the revolution, but this may be attributed to the freedom that being on a frontier affords.

The founding fathers were in it to gain power for themselves.

I didnt forget about the French-Indian war, it wasnt brought up as part of the discussion...

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The British King was taxing England more for OUR WAR than he was taxing us.  
 
you might need to explain this...

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We had a lot more freedom then after the revolution

please tell me how we had more freedom under England's rule...

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The founding fathers were in it to gain power for themselves.

I'm sure you meant, In My Opinion... but maybe you can explain how you came to this conculsion...

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« Reply #122 on: January 29, 2008, 10:05:16 PM »
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one of the first things the new govt of the US did was put a tax on whiskey to pay for the war that was fought because of taxes, (irony), result was the whiskey rebellion that Washington had to put down with the militia.

Yes, and Washington hated to do it and tried to avoid it.  After Washington's second term he was so hated that he was booed out of the capital... Later when he dies, all of a sudden he's a saint and the Father of our country and the bestest president everer...

they only thing thats changed in the last 230 some odd years is stuff costs more and there are more challenging ways to screw it up...

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« Reply #123 on: January 29, 2008, 10:15:31 PM »
The Whiskey Tax was overturned if I recall correctly and was not re-initiated until the American Civil War, to pay for the Norths aggression.
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« Reply #124 on: January 29, 2008, 10:17:04 PM »
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I didnt forget about the French-Indian war, it wasnt brought up as part of the discussion...

 
you might need to explain this...


please tell me how we had more freedom under England's rule...


I'm sure you meant, In My Opinion... but maybe you can explain how you came to this conculsion...


For the French and Indian war, Britain spent a lot of money on defending us.  We did fight ourselves, but the manpower and resources expended by britain were unmatched by the Americans.  They taxed us for this, but just by itself, the amount taxed was very paltry.  Then you consider how much the King taxed his own people on the UK, and it comes in several times higher than ours.

We did have more freedom.  England really didn't control what we did.  At least, not any more so then the controls set under the Constitution.


To really understand how the founding fathers cared little for freedom, you need to follow the process we took to start the revolution.

Like the taxes I explained.  Or even the "Boston Massacre."  By the name alone, you'd think a roving band of British Troops were killing everyone in sight.  But in reality, it was a roving band of Boston thugs that attacked a squad of British Troops.  After having attacked the british soldiers, a few soldiers (possibly accidentally) shot into the crowd of attackers.  Two bostonians died.

Every single reason listed for going to war was a twisted sack of propaganda that ultimately led to the war, and our independence from the king.  Of course, we then set up a dependence on our representatives almost immediately.
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« Reply #125 on: January 29, 2008, 10:19:08 PM »
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arlo, you really need to research obama and his voting record. He is supported by anti gun groups and he favors strong gun control laws. Yes he wants to take the guns away from law abiding citizens.


Maybe you don't understand. Gun control isn't (all) gun elimination. A registered gun will defend you as well as a non-registered one. I have nothing to fear from a background check. I'm not a felon and I'm not nor have I ever been a mental patient.

Assault weapons? Neccessity or .... gotta have for the collection? I got nothing against them but I'm not having a cow because I have a divine right to one.

*ShruG*

So .... vote Obama. :D

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« Reply #126 on: January 29, 2008, 10:21:39 PM »
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How am I extreme?  I am only stating the truth.  Obama is a Black Supremacist and Hillary is a...well...Clinton.


And you are a twit. Just the truth. :D

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« Reply #127 on: January 29, 2008, 10:24:48 PM »
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The Whiskey Tax was overturned if I recall correctly and was not re-initiated until the American Civil War, to pay for the Norths aggression.


You do not recall correctly.  It was actually instituted twice.  

The first time was during the confederacy.  Shay's Rebellion in Massachusetts had to be put down by hired thugs because the militia refused to do it themselves.  This time there wasn't a central government that had the power to do anything.

The Whiskey Rebellion was the same thing, except that it happened during the Constitutional Era, and that the central government DID have the power to put it down.


Each time it wasn't the mass producing farmers that were hit.  It was the farmers who barely subsisted.  The farmers who had acres upon acres to be reaped by slaves barely paid any taxes.

The farmers who had a tiny field and barely enough food to live, much less ANY money at all, were taxed into near non-existence.  

When they rebelled against a REAL tax, as opposed to a fake tax from before the war, they were crushed by government troops.
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« Reply #128 on: January 29, 2008, 10:25:30 PM »
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And you are a twit. Just the truth. :D


So...You're willing to support a Black Supremacist?
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« Reply #129 on: January 29, 2008, 10:26:48 PM »
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So...You're willing to support a Black Supremacist?
For those of us who unfamiliar with this, could you provide some evidence that he's a 'black supremacist'?  It's news to me.
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« Reply #130 on: January 29, 2008, 10:27:00 PM »
registration, the first step to confiscation. Before they can confiscate the guns they have to know who has what.

reference, Germany in the 1930's.

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« Reply #131 on: January 29, 2008, 10:30:35 PM »
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We did have more freedom.  England really didn't control what we did.  At least, not any more so then the controls set under the Constitution.

So it was ok for England to sieze colonial ships and take sailors and press them in to Royal Navy service.

It was ok for English soldiers to seize homes and properties to use for their army.

It was ok for English Colonial Govenours to tax people whatever they could.

It was ok for England to deny the colonials right to self govern themselves and hold offices and make determinations what was best for themselves rather than a King and a parliment thousands of miles away.

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« Reply #132 on: January 29, 2008, 10:31:50 PM »
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You guys seem to forget we are voting for a President, Not a King... Obama, or Clinton, or McCain, or Rommey or anybody else is not going to have absolute power to take away anybodies guns, knifes, or whatever else... They only do what we allow them to do...  We have control...We just need to remember how to use it...


This is one of the most rational positions on this I've seen here.


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« Reply #133 on: January 29, 2008, 10:37:18 PM »
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For those of us who unfamiliar with this, could you provide some evidence that he's a 'black supremacist'?  It's news to me.


This is the church that Obama belongs to.  And it's preacher has stated that White People CAN NOT go to Heaven.
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« Reply #134 on: January 29, 2008, 10:49:49 PM »
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registration, the first step to confiscation. Before they can confiscate the guns they have to know who has what.

reference, Germany in the 1930's.


Proof that a little history with wreckless perspective does not a history scholar make.

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