McCain vs. Presidential requirements

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by lazs2
steve.. he is bad but not near as bad as osamabam or billary.

In polls he does beat out billary pretty easy.. he runs about even in a "race" with osamabama.

It is real real early.. osamabama sounds good but is a real whacked out liberal with the record to back him up..  I don't think a recession with plans to go even more in debt for social programs and allow even more illegals is gonna play well for democrats.

I think once people see who osamabama is and what his socialism will do and cost.. and once his voting record is all made public.. I think he will have a hard time beating a "moderate" republican like mc cain.. especially if mc cain chooses his VP wisely.

lazs

I hope you are right about him being not as bad... to me they are all comparable.

FWIW, I do not think either  Billary or Hussein Obama can beat Mccain in a general election, primarily for reasons you've mentioned.

I know someone will be tempted to come along and post some poll or other that shows either leftist nutjob ahead of Mccain. The polls today mean nothing, in relation to the general election.

[midnight Target]

By that you mean they mean nothing in relation to what you choose to believe.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Yeager
You obviously have not known that America has ALWAYS been paradoxially extreme.
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quantify ALWAYS and provide examples, with dates listed and references included

Dates of strife:

1492 -> February 6th, 2008.



It's very easy to pick out the major ones from ANY time period.

French and Indian War
Revolution
Confederacy
Constitution
Alien and Sedition Acts
Slavery laws
War of 1812
Mexican American War
Slavery Laws
Confederacy / Civil War
Treatment of Indians.


Those are only the MAJOR events that occurred because of the strife between the American peoples.  And that list is only for about the first 100 years or so of a proper country (not counting F&I wars).

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by midnight Target
By that you mean they mean nothing in relation to what you choose to believe.

No, I mean it is far too early for them to mean much.  Let's revisit this thread after the election.  One of us can relish in being right.
 I don't know what your problem is... but I don't care either.  I'm guessing your a black person with a chip on his shoulder for anyone that has anything remotely negative to say about Obama.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'm guessing your a black person with a chip on his shoulder for anyone that has anything remotely negative to say about Obama.

Well, that's certainly a poorly thought out statement.  I wish I could say it was rare to encounter someone who wishes to so loudly and clearly advertise their ignorance, but sadly, it isn't.  

[Yeager]

French and Indian War
Revolution
Confederacy
Constitution
Alien and Sedition Acts
Slavery laws
War of 1812
Mexican American War
Slavery Laws
Confederacy / Civil War
Treatment of Indians.
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thanks, good list.  I would add womans suffrage, both World Wars, Korea and Viet Nam, and the civil rights struggle as examples of more recent events that challenged us all collectively.  Still, in my lifetime the country has experienced relatively moderate climates in political discourse.   That is until Bill Clinton was elected by a minority of the electoral vote.  Ever since then (in my lifetime) the political discourse in my country has deteriorated largely into extremes of left and right.  What I was trying to convey to begin with was that I see McCain as a moderate figure that could bring thoughtful and intellectual discourse back to American politics and that the American collective would be the driving force behind it, not the extreme social and political fringes.

Does that make sense?

[midnight Target]

Clinton didn't start the current political divide, the current political divide was started by the neocons to attack Clinton.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Yeager
French and Indian War
Revolution
Confederacy
Constitution
Alien and Sedition Acts
Slavery laws
War of 1812
Mexican American War
Slavery Laws
Confederacy / Civil War
Treatment of Indians.
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thanks, good list.  I would add womans suffrage, both World Wars, Korea and Viet Nam, and the civil rights struggle as examples of more recent events that challenged us all collectively.  Still, in my lifetime the country has experienced relatively moderate climates in political discourse.   That is until Bill Clinton was elected by a minority of the electoral vote.  Ever since then (in my lifetime) the political discourse in my country has deteriorated largely into extremes of left and right.  What I was trying to convey to begin with was that I see McCain as a moderate figure that could bring thoughtful and intellectual discourse back to American politics and that the American collective would be the driving force behind it, not the extreme social and political fringes.

Does that make sense?

It does. But sadly, I really doubt that John McCain is the great unifier. I'm convinced that there are now too many factors' in this country that divide it, to ever have it wholeheartedly say it's one nation, indivisible, anymore.

[Yeager]

to ever have it wholeheartedly say it's one nation, indivisible, anymore.
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In my unscientific opinion 20 out of 100 people are arch-cons, 20 out of 100 are arch-libs...the 60 left over are the moderates.  Those are the people, and the greater good, that stand to benefit the most from a moderate platform in government, which is where the country needs to balance itself.  I happen to think McCain is the most capable candidate running.  Most likely wrong but thats how I see it.

And remember this one?

On July 20th 1993, barely six months into his first term, Clinton proposed lifting the ban on homosexuals in the military.

That came out of the blue.  No one ran on that platform,  It wasn't even discussed during the election.  Thr proposal to lift that ban is when most people went  WTF?  Thats what started the great divide in the country.  It energized the hell out of the arch libs and even the average non political types were alarmed by that move.  Everything went down hill from there.  That is when I perceived the beginning of political extremism taking more of a role in mainstream politics.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Yeager
thanks, good list.  I would add womans suffrage, both World Wars, Korea and Viet Nam, and the civil rights struggle as examples of more recent events that challenged us all collectively.  Still, in my lifetime the country has experienced relatively moderate climates in political discourse.   That is until Bill Clinton was elected by a minority of the electoral vote.  Ever since then (in my lifetime) the political discourse in my country has deteriorated largely into extremes of left and right.  What I was trying to convey to begin with was that I see McCain as a moderate figure that could bring thoughtful and intellectual discourse back to American politics and that the American collective would be the driving force behind it, not the extreme social and political fringes.

Does that make sense?

No, there wasn't relatively moderate climates at any time.  It's just that we have trouble remembering what was actually happening back then.  Or perhaps that we have trouble judging what actually happened in the past.


We have a bad habit of thinking that the current times are the worst it will ever be, and the worst it has ever been.

[moot]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, that's certainly a poorly thought out statement.  I wish I could say it was rare to encounter someone who wishes to so loudly and clearly advertise their ignorance, but sadly, it isn't.  

Unfortunately, all but very few exceptions of the black population in the US has a stubbornly self-imposed stigma of what white people have done to them, and of what's still going on, nevermind what they think whites are still doing to and thinking of them... It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and a poisonous one..  It's one of the few things I'm not looking forward to once I'm back in the US.

[john9001]

the black population in the US votes 95% democratic, they have marginalized themselves.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Clinton didn't start the current political divide, the current political divide was started by the neocons to attack Clinton.

MT is correct:  There was a tremendous bipartisan love permeating the political landscape during the election campaigns of Carter/Ford, Reagan/Carter, Reagan/Mondale, and Bush/Dukakis.

Even the during the election of Andrew Jackson, when his opponents labeled him a jack ass*, it was all in lighthearted nonpartisan fun.

*The origin of the Demos party symbol

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, that's certainly a poorly thought out statement.  I wish I could say it was rare to encounter someone who wishes to so loudly and clearly advertise their ignorance, but sadly, it isn't.  

How do you know it's incorrect? What information do you have that I'm wrong... please share your intimate knowledge of MT's inner thoughts.
Oh.. you don't know them... hmmm that makes you  the ignorant one.
Personaly, I like MT but I think he's a bit chippy on the Obama thing.

 You, on the other hand, are just posting things so you can go on with your life of lollipop dreams and marshmellow kisses, vainly trying to appear more enlightened than I simply because I mentioned someone's race, as if by doing so it in itself is offensive. Grow up, foofie.

[Yeager]

No, there wasn't relatively moderate climates at any time.
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mea culpa