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Offline Toad

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #345 on: June 28, 2008, 08:30:18 AM »
Not a damn thing except cutting the funding to the boarder patrol.

Can you back that up?

My cursory search shows that since 2001 the Border Patrol went from ~9,000 agents to more than 15,000 agents in 2007 and will increase in 2008, to at least double he 2001 figure. Seems like it would be hard to double the force while cutting the budget, so I call.

What's your source on that statement?

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Offline midnight Target

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #346 on: June 28, 2008, 08:32:00 AM »
But at least he's pro-America which is more than can be said for most Democrats, including Obama.

Now that is just plain stupid.


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« Reply #347 on: June 28, 2008, 09:15:53 AM »
I agree with MT.  (My life just flashed before my eyes!)

I don't think the democrats are un-american.  Indeed they are very concerned about our country and the welfare of its citizens.  However, I do think that their approaches to solving the nation's security, economic, and social problems are terribly naive and impervious to rational criticism.  While they like to point out the "dangers" of the policies of the radical right, such as the Patriot Act, which many dems signed off on, they refuse to acknowledge the equally great danger inherent in the policies of the radical left, such as the criminalization of "Hate Speech" and their support for the "Fairness Doctrine."  Their leadership has also never learned the difference between a statement that is based on erroneous information, and one that is an outright lie, especially in light of the fact that these self-same leaders also believed that information when it was presented by the CIA, reached the same conclusions as the much despised Republican anti-christ.  Their wrath should have been directed at the CIA....but someone else was a much more inviting target.

GWB has become such a lightning-rod that anything positive he has accomplished as president will not be discussed in a rational fashion until 20 years after he has left office....if even then.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #348 on: June 28, 2008, 09:23:34 AM »
crock-it... I believe that you will find that far from "welfare mothers" having "crack babies" being prevented by abortion it is women in the income group of 30K to 200K that are having all the abortions.   the people who should be raising our children.. the rest are pretty much the 20-24 year olds who can't be bothered with birth control..  the babies aborted because of rape of possible deformity or extreme hardship or impregnation by aliens while they slept are extremely rare..  the low income and low lifes are having babies at record rates.

As for socialism..  I never met a government program that I didn't think would be better off with just the free market.   The exception is the court and the army.

If it can't be solved with the court or the army then it is not something I want government involved in.   

For schools I would say that the worst possible way to run schools is government, tax supported public schools excluding funding for all others.

I would rather trust rabbis to check my food than the feds.   I would rather the insurance companies run safety programs than the government.

Socialism is evil and every government program save the justice system and the army is simply marx popping up out of his grave.

osamabama is a total socialist weenie and gun control freak who feels that the only people who should be armed are his bodyguards and the police.   The police are on our side tho (not the political chiefs, the police)

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #349 on: June 28, 2008, 09:28:24 AM »
I believe that many of the democrats in power now are very much anti American if you think of "American" as someone who believes as the founders did in limited government and personal liberty.  I believe it is about 10 to 1 ratio but that for every unamerican republican you find you will find 10 socialist unamerican democrats in power or running the media.

I fear anyone with the power of life and death and freedom over me but of all the groups..  I fear the democrats the most.

I cant wait till chicago gets it's gun ban challenged..  can you imagine the convoluted and meaningless rant that osamabama will give when he is questioned on how he feels about that?

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #350 on: June 28, 2008, 09:30:45 AM »
Sorry but conservatives don't want "social responsibility" if they wanted that, they would fund the damn schools and do something about the open boarders in this country. 

We are all funding schools. We are spending a lot more than the value we are getting in return. More money will solve the problem of our declining educational standards no more than partial birth abortion on demand will slow teen preganancy or reduce the number of single mothers on welfare as Toad noted. Pride in oneself and accomplishments through personal responsibility is the only thing that will solve our social problems and this cannot be bought at any price. Though many have attained success through integrity with little support from their upbringing it is far more likely people will value the work ethic and shun handouts when their parents set this example. It's takes caring parents, at least one, to raise a child properly, not the state or a "village".

I agreee with you on the borders.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #351 on: June 30, 2008, 10:55:34 AM »
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/06/29/a_silver_bullet_for_obama/

Reminds of that classic scene in the Simpsons where Kang & Kodos (the aliens) run for office, with the classic platform of "Abortions for Some.... and None for Others!" (both sides cheer thinking they have won their cause).


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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #352 on: June 30, 2008, 12:02:19 PM »
Cutty say it don`t hang.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #353 on: June 30, 2008, 12:11:54 PM »
Shucks and Jives?

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Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.


Sounds like he's been very consistant.

Offline Hornet33

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #354 on: June 30, 2008, 12:42:44 PM »
Well I'll give up my guns when Obama, Polosi, and all the rest of them give up their armed body guards, armored limo's, and 24/7 hired protection and they decide to live where I do, just like a regular person. Until then, they can take their gun control ideas and stick em because they don't have a freaking clue.

It's my right and I'll use it how I see fit.
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #355 on: June 30, 2008, 12:46:37 PM »
I just had a hysterical thought.

Obama is going to make everyone give up their guns except the inner city street gangs, which he cant force to do anything.

Think about it for a minute.  :rofl
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #356 on: June 30, 2008, 04:48:01 PM »
You know, for months now somethings been bothering me... Obama... the sound of his voice... the way he talks... it was like he was imitating someone, or at least sounding just like a celebrity that I couldn't place...

Finally it came to me today: Obama sounds EXACTLY like wrestler/actor Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. 
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #357 on: June 30, 2008, 04:52:32 PM »
Shucks and Jives?

Sounds like he's been very consistant.


Yeah Shuck and Jive... you know: dance around the issues, doublespeak, empty rhetoric, being ambiguous on where he stands, be all things to all people etc.


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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #358 on: June 30, 2008, 05:01:41 PM »
See Rule #5
« Last Edit: June 30, 2008, 05:23:41 PM by Skuzzy »
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Offline midnight Target

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #359 on: June 30, 2008, 05:17:08 PM »
I'm just here to help the 2 of you with your lack of reading comprehension. In February Obama said it was an individual right that can be regulated, in April Obama said it was an individual right that can be regulated, in Julay Obama said it was an individual right that can be regulated.

It must really be tough to hate someone so much that you have to make stuff up about him.


And I know what Shuck and Jive means and I know why you used it too.