What's with the uber maneuvers?

[BigR]

I never notice anyone doing this magic move to me.  I guess I don't pay attention. ..When I got really good at Air Warrior back in the day, there was hardly anyone who could beat me 1v1 in Full Realism. One guy I remember kicking my bellybutton was +Dead or DeadF (Leviathon in AH)...I used to watch film after film and at one point I thought he was exploiting something. It then hit me one day, and I figured out what he was doing...I felt like an idiot. He wasn't cheating..he was just better than me.

[Bruv119]

He wasn't cheating..he was just better than me.

For emphasis.

[valdals]

ive seen this happen alot. its not only with the 109. ive seen it with the f6f and the a20. i can be 200 to 400 off their six and then the plane turns inside out and ho's me. i had plenty of E and was in the process of killing him. 

[Gianlupo]

Agent, great step to step guide, I always wondered how it's done. I think it would help a lot to see it in action. Any movie you can give us?

"used" to kick my arse??   

He wrote "use", SR... pair of glasses?

[Saurdaukar]

Following a 109 straight up on 3 occasions now. His 6 suddenly becomes the nose, no turning, no movements at all, as if the plane just turned inside out to a 180.

Actually, that happened to me last night v. a 51.  Figured it was just lag.

[bozon]

Question, if the flip is so fast, why are they still awake at all, should they no red out for a period of time? If they were to black or red out,... that shot would be done blind... you must have to be  super uber to stand those type of forces and not pass out.

The forces are quite low since this is done at low speed - the rotation rate is high. You can run around yourself in a circle and it will take only 2 seconds. Now run at 300 mph and try to complete a circle in 2 seconds. If you insist on math, acceleration in circular motion is a=wv, where w is the angular velocity and v is the forward velocity.

And we are still waiting for the film because I do not understand the second maneuver you talk about. I did experience the first one, but I've never seen it on film to verify what is really happening.

Simplified...  Stall speed is nothing more then the speed at which the wing stops flying (from the tips inward).  The control surfaces can be effective at slower speeds then that.

Stall speed is the minimal speed at which the plane is still able to maintain 1 G flight. It doesn't mean that you immediately enter a stall if the airspeed hits this number. You can "fly" slower without stalling, but you will be loosing altitude.

I do believe that planes in AH are too responsive at very low speeds. What I remember from stall practices with light planes is that the stick became very unresponsive, as if it is connected by weak rubber bands to the surfaces. It doesn't feel like that in the game, the nose still bounces happily and the ailerons work just fine.

[bozon]

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[BaldEagl]

Is airframe stress even modeled in AH?? Now that I think of it I can't remember ever ripping my wings off in a High G pullout.

I've ripped the wings off of or snapped half of one or both off in a A-20, F6F-5, Spit and Ta-152 all purely based on stress.  At least those are the ones I can remember immediately.

[moot]

The question is whether we can rip planes apart by stress from spins, not just pulling hard in regular flight.

[BaldEagl]

The question is whether we can rip planes apart by stress from spins, not just pulling hard in regular flight.

I've never seen it.  I was responding to this:  "Now that I think of it I can't remember ever ripping my wings off in a High G pullout."

[bobtom]

Nevermind.

[PanosGR]

I do believe that planes in AH are too responsive at very low speeds. What I remember from stall practices with light planes is that the stick became very unresponsive, as if it is connected by weak rubber bands to the surfaces. It doesn't feel like that in the game, the nose still bounces happily and the ailerons work just fine.

i agree with that one.. in fact they are way too responsive compared with other flight sims

[Animl]

I never notice anyone doing this magic move to me.  I guess I don't pay attention. ..When I got really good at Air Warrior back in the day, there was hardly anyone who could beat me 1v1 in Full Realism. One guy I remember kicking my bellybutton was +Dead or DeadF (Leviathon in AH)...I used to watch film after film and at one point I thought he was exploiting something. It then hit me one day, and I figured out what he was doing...I felt like an idiot. He wasn't cheating..he was just better than me.

WHOA wait a minute, I'm not acussing anyone of actually cheating, but there are some exploits me thinks.

At this point, most everyone is better then I. But then I'm not worried about being "great" I'm just here to have fun, I rarely even bother landing kills, I just stay and die.

[Animl]

lol @ this thread

I'll take your subject up in another thread.

[Animl]

Agent, excellent reply, both.

This is what I needed, not a bunch of denial and acting ignorant to it. Like some who use it are acting like here in this thread. Some other posted some ideas that seem to mesh with this like over responsive stick at low speeds. This is where it needs to be plugged.

IMO,...Pulling it off is one thing, pulling it off when it shouldn't have a chance is another. A very fine line.

There is an area where I am lacking as the FE of AW and the FE of AH is much different, AH being more modern technically and superior. SO it's not like I don't know sims, personas, or ACM, I'm still learning what this FE is about. What can be done in this game and what can't.

Somethings need some tweaking IMO. I don't think these moves should be able to be done so easily if the stick is more responsive at low speeds then it should be. I think drag is a little light too, but that's just me. But these tiny elements make it more possible then it should be >IMO< Show me mo data, convince me. I don't whine with closed ears.

IMO with these things tweaked pulling these moves off would require more realistic skill.

The fact that certain things prolly aren't on the money makes it easier to exploit it's weaknesses. It doesn't mean I say someone is "cheating" that's more a forcing or manipulation of code, but I do think there is a level of exploitation when the math isn't exact and they know it.

In AW if you were filmed exploiting a bug, you got your hands smacked hard by a GA.

I think if I were wrong, some people who are responding here, who ACT like they have to no idea it exist, but are actually the ones using it, tells a story in itself. Why the denial? 3 of them are in this thread but won't talk about it flat out. They are waiting to see if their only leverage toy gets adjustments or not. Without it they just aren't all that, it seems to be all they have, besides HOing and extensive whining on 200. Most people who whine on 200 are hypocrites, because 3 minutes later you will witness them doing what they whine about in others. Makes me vomit.