Dogfighting question

[CAP1]

Don't listen to stealth. Hes a dweeb, and he can't spell OR use correct punctuation. I don't know why he don't use spell check. 

you mean doesn't?

[A8TOOL]

Oh Geez, I feel bad 
Sorry for screwing up your training film (I'm guessing this is a while ago because I havn't flown with the You or the A8's in a while)

EDIT: Holy hell I Squeeked 
I forever want this thread to die, no one must know my secret

Yeah you might have been a squeaker but you were one of the cool ones. I didn't lose patience with you and tell you to STFU because of it and as you can see from the film, you were pretty good at making kills. The film date was 6/10/08

The others were made in April 09 at 2 in the morning while drunk and tired. Those tactics work pretty good against most people but not against the guys who know what you know and can do it better , like Scotch.

Here are 2 of the three fights we had using the same throt management and rudder tactics. He's a helluva sim pilot and I was only able to get him once in a film not shown here because it was kind of short and you can't learn much from it....I got lucky

C202 fights to the death

http://download177.mediafire.com/9mblwhigxy3g/yzy1jz2mcty/me%26scotch+202%27s_0032.ahf

http://download194.mediafire.com/1zlch7uct9bg/myuxyfjymzc/me%26scotch+202%27s_0651.ahf

[Agent360]

See this thread

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,261486.0.html

[A8EJay]

wow, never expected so many responses.  Thanks so much to all of you.  Last time i checked there were only 2 or 3 posts and those helped out alot already.  Figured the topic would die out.  I will be reading all this a few times, prob print and take to bathroom .  Seriously tho, thanks to all you guys for your help.   

[Eagleclaw]

Speed is Life. Try to up planes that can outrun most other planes, Tempest, spit 9, Pony, etc. these planes can escape the camping problem a lot of the time. The key is to dive to gain speed, they will dive as well, level out, the plane should be able to keep the energy while the slower plane will quickly lose energy. WEP helps as well <S>.

[A8TOOL]

Speed is Life. Try to up planes that can outrun most other planes, Tempest, spit 9, Pony, etc. these planes can escape the camping problem a lot of the time. The key is to dive to gain speed, they will dive as well, level out, the plane should be able to keep the energy while the slower plane will quickly lose energy. WEP helps as well <S>.

Cowardly and useless information IMO.

Since when does a spit 9 outrun most other planes BTW? 

Please don't respond... at this point any tips you can bring to the table will come from absolutely no in game experience and end up being just gibberish.

Try and listen more and talk less for your first few months. You'll begin to see that fighting does not equal running.

[Eagleclaw]

Is it cowardly if you have damage and need to rtb? Besides if you dont have any problems there is no reason why you can't turn around and fight them once you gain momentum.

And by the way I'm not new. I just mentioned spitfire 9 as the median spitfire, and at least I didn't say the zero was the fastest.

[Vudak]

Cowardly or not, I was under the impression that the OP wanted to learn how to get the enemy OFF his six, and not just further away from it

There's some great information in this thread, Eagleclaw.  Check it out

[StokesAk]

Eagleclaw is bringing something up that i dont think was mentioned. After you fight and get a few kills you need to know when to RTB. I have gotten in the situation where i need to RTB but i want just 1 more kill and end up getting ganged low and slow and i die. You need to know how to gte out that is 1/2 the battle.

[Eagleclaw]

I also messed up when i mentioned the spit 9, what i should've said is the spit 14, at high alts it is a deadly adversary. I would also like to point out that I didnt mean for this to become such an issue, but I can't count how many times I have successfully returned to base using this technique.

[humble]

Eagleclaw is bringing something up that i dont think was mentioned. After you fight and get a few kills you need to know when to RTB. I have gotten in the situation where i need to RTB but i want just 1 more kill and end up getting ganged low and slow and i die. You need to know how to gte out that is 1/2 the battle.

Trust me, you'll have no problem getting another plane.

There is no single answer or point of view that is correct. A baby learns to crawl before it can walk and fundamentals of situational awareness and plane handling take time and effort. As your skill set grows then certain fundamental choices become more apparent. If viewed from the perspective of "historical reality" then an obvious bias toward both positional advantage and superior performance is only natural. However, the reality is that many thousands of brave men (and women) flew inferior planes in adverse situations and not only lived but triumphed.

At some point it time it is natural to take the measure of your innate ability and to rely less on the strength of position or airframe. From there you reach a point where the reality is that only a lack of bullets or fluids (blood,oil,petrol) forces a break from the action.

[CAP1]

Trust me, you'll have no problem getting another plane.

There is no single answer or point of view that is correct. A baby learns to crawl before it can walk and fundamentals of situational awareness and plane handling take time and effort. As your skill set grows then certain fundamental choices become more apparent. If viewed from the perspective of "historical reality" then an obvious bias toward both positional advantage and superior performance is only natural. However, the reality is that many thousands of brave men (and women) flew inferior planes in adverse situations and not only lived but triumphed.

At some point it time it is natural to take the measure of your innate ability and to rely less on the strength of position or airframe. From there you reach a point where the reality is that only a lack of bullets or fluids (blood,oil,petrol) forces a break from the action.

YAKNOW......

some of the things you were showing me the other nigfht in ta...i tried putting them to use in mw on sunday. mannnn was my timing off!!!   

they did however, help me avoid several ho passes, and led to 3 victories.

 you pumped so much info into me that my head hurt a little. 

thanks dude!!!!!

<<S>>

[Eagleclaw]

Trust me, you'll have no problem getting another plane.

There is no single answer or point of view that is correct. A baby learns to crawl before it can walk and fundamentals of situational awareness and plane handling take time and effort. As your skill set grows then certain fundamental choices become more apparent. If viewed from the perspective of "historical reality" then an obvious bias toward both positional advantage and superior performance is only natural. However, the reality is that many thousands of brave men (and women) flew inferior planes in adverse situations and not only lived but triumphed.

At some point it time it is natural to take the measure of your innate ability and to rely less on the strength of position or airframe. From there you reach a point where the reality is that only a lack of bullets or fluids (blood,oil,petrol) forces a break from the action.

This is true, when you survive and get more experience, you can use your plane's superior attributes to your advantage, and learn to use other planes; an example is the zero, although not very fast the plane has outstanding turning ability and maneuverability that outmatches most if not all fighters.

[humble]

This is true, when you survive and get more experience, you can use your plane's superior attributes to your advantage, and learn to use other planes; an example is the zero, although not very fast the plane has outstanding turning ability and maneuverability that outmatches most if not all fighters.

I appreciate your response but your missing the heart of the debate. In its own way the zero is as formidable as any plane in the set. Again your relying on the power of the machine and not the savvy of the pilot. As an alternative consider the SBD instead, a plane very capable of standing up to most fighters when well handled.

While without question an equal pilot will have an advantage you will find that time spent in an "inferior" aircraft will provide experience and a greater understanding of the interdynamics of ACM that will allow you to gain valuable insight and significant applicable ACM.

[humble]

YAKNOW......

some of the things you were showing me the other nigfht in ta...i tried putting them to use in mw on sunday. mannnn was my timing off!!!   

they did however, help me avoid several ho passes, and led to 3 victories.

 you pumped so much info into me that my head hurt a little. 

thanks dude!!!!!

<<S>>

MP,

No question that at times not only is some of the stuff counter intuitive but also situationally dependent. Thats what makes it so much fun once you get a feel for it. Very few guys have a complete grasp....as we discussed there are any number of sticks in the game who still leave me baffled and confused...it all looks great ...right up till its not