Engines runing full blast

[moot]

"But, now I know why those people probably aren't our "low-hanging fruit""

Just like I said  

[Masherbrum]

So all of this talk about TW got me curious...so I took a trip over there, stumbled on their forums.  Guess who I found beating his drum...Stiglatta

Quote from Stigla @ http://www.targetware.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=15867&highlight=aces+high

I just had about a week-long argument with those folks on their board about the subject of engine management... they're so stuck in their "gamer entitlement" mentality that they won't even admit that no, you couldn't roar around at 100% throttle without any ramifications.

It's hilarious. They challenge me to provide written proof and stats that tell them exactly how long you can expect to abuse an engine before it will, with 100% certainty, explode... and then ignore the fact that every pilot manual/maintenance manual gives parameters by which to run the engine... and they ignore the fact that, if they didn't really NEED to put things like mixture controls, cooling flap levers, prop pitch controls, etc., into aircraft they wouldn't have. There was no automatic operation of much in those days.

It was kind of fun, kind of frustrating. But, now I know why those people probably aren't our "low-hanging fruit": it didn't take very long for the "it's just a GAME" explanation to come out. And that, really, is the long and short of it. They can't be bothered to want realism, simply because it gets in the way of their "fun game

Its now clear to me, your just a troll, nothing more. I doubt you've ever played AH. If so what was your screen name?  Im sure in TW you have a manual for everyplane and operate it according to the manual.

This is in his sig, I'm guessing he hasn't for quite some time, if at all:

Windows XP Professional
Athlon 1700+ 1.4GHz
Mobo: FIC AU13 TFA42 BIOS
Allegro sound card
2GB of 2700 DDR memory
Video Card: EVGA 6200 512MB with 6.14.11.8208 drivers
Cougar HOTAS
CH Pedals

I won't miss him and will never visit his site, or whoever he is leeching off of.   He's already been "corrected" numerous times by people who have a lot more Airframe Hours then his "token Texan ride".   But, he's bound and determined to be "right", even when the "debunked book" has long fallen on his head.

[boomerlu]

Stiglr,

Let's forget all about engines and the proof and evidence for a second.

You are bashing AH because the programmers decided to make a few compromises in realism (not huge ones mind you - reasonable ones which make a lot of sense given the context).

Guess what? Any simulation must have compromises simply because the simulation is NOT the real thing.

Now, you bash AH because compromises the designers have made are to make a better GAME while sacrificing some degree of realism, right? To you TargetWare is "better" because it makes less compromises as to realism.

Guess what? What is an "Engagement Circle" but a COMPROMISE designed to benefit GAMEPLAY while sacrificing realism? Maybe TargetWare is more realistic, but your whole point is that AH is bad because it makes compromises AT ALL.

I don't care whether you like your sim super realistic or not - it's your choice to fly whatever you want, I can see both sides. But at the end of the day, your preferred sim TargetWare is just as guilty of sacrificing realism for gameplay, making you no more than a hypocrite.

If you want to argue for something, at least be self consistent. Case closed.

[Ack-Ack]

If anyone need any further proof that Stiglr really has no clue about what he is talking about, just read this post from the thread he started in the TW forums.  He doesn't even know what kind of Brewster we have and insists it's a different kind than the export model the Finnish flew in the Winter/Continuation War.

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More on this...

I went back to that thread, or another like it and the jawdropping misinformation just kept coming.

One guy said, "The Brewster could climb with a Zero". What???? I did a cursory check on Wikipedia, and found that, with the right rose-colored glasses on, he was actually right... in a slanted, misleading way.

Problem was... it's the early, F3A1 version that had a 3060 fpm climb rate (compared to the Zero A6M2's 3100 fpm). That version was NOT used for anything but flight testing and only 11 were built. Now, let's go check the version the US Navy was using, the F2A3... ah, there y'go: 2440 fpm.

So, it appears, Dale Addink and his crew are taking only the best stats for their Buffalo and eschewing others that do point out that a Buffalo was never anything approaching a world-beating aircraft. Or, they're "hypothesizing" that the Finnish export Buffalo, the one stripped of the added armor, radios and stuff the US Navy used to transform Buffalos from what Pappy Boyington called a "sweet little ship" to the dog of legend that the Buffalo actually is... is a more "representative" Buffalo.

I suppose you could make a case for that, as the Finns relied on their version heavily and had some success with it... but it's the (mis)representation in the arcade arena format that slants things so much.

In AH arenas, you're just as likely to find a Finnish Buffalo going up against a Japanese Zero as you are to find a Spit engaging a F4F, or any other ridiculous matchup. Utterly silly... but I can see now how it makes for self-appointed experts there talking about how effective a fighting platform the Buffalo was. 

ack-ack

[Anaxogoras]

I doubt you've ever played AH. If so what was your screen name?

I'm pretty sure this is the same stiglr from Warbirds (when it was $2/hour).

[fudgums]

Isn't TW still in beta?....for 3 years?

[ghostdancer]

Karnak you are right and I stand corrected. "As designed" needs to be clarified, as you pointed out, since there are several states of that.

There is as originally designed on paper before production. Then there is flight testing where it was seen if the plane performed up to specs or not. Ultimately leading to operational release with defined specs for use in various arenas. And I am sure I am leaving somethings out.

So yes, you are right AH models its plane on operational specs. However, AH does not model its plane differently depending on theater, environmental conditions, uneven production quality, uneven material quality, level of maintenance, quality of maintenance, availability of spare parts, accumulate flight hours. It also doesn't model the pilot fatigue or pilot state of health and affects on plane performance in combat (well besides wounds .. a fatigued or pilot who doesn't feel well will generally not perform as well as that one who is rested and healthy irregardless of the machine he is flying) which was a factor in several arenas which suffered from a lack of pilots and replacement pilots.

[BnZs]

And still there is no acknowledging the fact that AHII does NOT let you run "100%" all the time.

And still I have not been presented with any data for any plane modeled in AHII demonstrating any reasonable likelihood of them encountering engine problems from being run at military power settings for 30-60 minutes.

Actually from all the evidence it seems, it looks like AHII is being conservative when it forces you to limit your *WEP* usage to by-the-book time periods.

I move that the WEP time limits on P&W R-2800s be extended to 2 days! 

[sunfan1121]

It seems he likes our CM team 
http://www.targetware.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=15764

[Widewing]

Targetware is a constantly evolving user driven/developed (via user modules) sim that at one time offered great graphics. It is now behind Aces High in that category. I tried it several times over the years and found the user interface to be ugly and unfriendly. The flight dynamics are poor relative to Aces High. In short, I found it unremarkable and not entertaining. It had potential, but their business model is seemingly dedicated to zero growth. I'm sure they have a dedicated core of enthusiasts, but their number is small.

Our friend Stiglr is quite ignorant of aviation history, clearly not realizing the the Brewster B-239 was substantially different from the B-339. I can't fix that, I can only marvel at self-appointed expert who, it turns out, doesn't know his arse from a doorknob.


My regards,

Widewing

[hitech]

It seems he likes our CM team 
http://www.targetware.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=15764

When reading that thread some of bombers post cracked me up. It seams people at target ware see stiglr in the same light most of us do. What I never have figured out is why for about 10  years stiglr  has made an effort to malign me.

HiTech

[Strip]

Your on the other side of some proverbial fence I guess Hitech...

[trigger2]

Aces high has a big player base not just because it's a fun game, but because of the flight / physics model. I play AH for an accurate flight model including: fuel burn times, ammo ballistics, engine settings at diff. alts, and a feel of how a plane hypothetically would fly are the most important. The HTC team's data that they use to make such decisions is generally the same info that would be available by contacting the aircraft manufacturer, or a trip to the google machine. It's hard being wrong when you have the data/charts on your side.
I know that AH is not a perfect flight sim, but that's what it is first, a flight sim. They have chosen to perfect the core element of any good sim. I'm not saying that having the ability to controll engine cowl flaps wouldn't be welcomed, but cowl flaps do no good if the FM is wrong. I have played all of the 4 main WW2 flight sims and i can tell you each one has it's flaws, but a bad FM is where i draw the line. You probaly play this game for diff. than i play AH. That dosnt mean one sim is better than the other, but two diff sims.

+1

Stiglr, if you weren't such an egotistical hypocrite, I'd invite you down from portland to KSLE...

[5PointOh]

When reading that thread some of bombers post cracked me up. It seams people at target ware see stiglr in the same light most of us do. What I never have figured out is why for about 10  years stiglr  has made an effort to malign me.

HiTech

You must have really nice ankles HiTech!

[The Fugitive]

When reading that thread some of bombers post cracked me up. It seams people at target ware see stiglr in the same light most of us do. What I never have figured out is why for about 10  years stiglr  has made an effort to malign me.

HiTech

I'll bet that boy bleeds green........................ ........ with envy