A20 Tie Fighter Mystery

[Wiley]

Agreed.   

Also, forward firing guns should be disabled on bombers when in F3/F5 mode.  No more Tie Fighter bombers.

+1, if for no other reason than to take it away as a source of complaint.

Wiley.

[Crash Orange]

F3/F5 should be removed from EVERY plane.

I think F3 has a legitimate use in modeling the ability of four to ten crew members all scanning the sky. Otherwise you've got a four-engine bomber with a crew of one with the pilot having to leave the controls and physically jump to a gun position to have any idea what might be in that sector of sky, which is absurd.

What should be removed is the ability to fire any guns or drop any ordnance in F3 mode - F3 is for looking only. As a compromise, F3 could be disabled if you fly an attack sortie.

[kvuo75]

I think F3 has a legitimate use in modeling the ability of four to ten crew members all scanning the sky. Otherwise you've got a four-engine bomber with a crew of one with the pilot having to leave the controls and physically jump to a gun position to have any idea what might be in that sector of sky, which is absurd.

What should be removed is the ability to fire any guns or drop any ordnance in F3 mode - F3 is for looking only. As a compromise, F3 could be disabled if you fly an attack sortie.

that works too, still doesn't need to be in IL2, A20, 110, etc.

[Widewing]

F3/F5 should be removed from EVERY plane.

You've played for a total of less than 3 hours over the past three tours and you expect anyone to give a hoot about your opinion? LOLOLOL

[Butcher]

You've played for a total of less than 3 hours over the past three tours and you expect anyone to give a hoot about your opinion? LOLOLOL

What reasons do the IL-2 need F3 mode as well as A20? Both are classified as attack planes, A20 could be debated but frankly a good stick will win with the plane either way, why does it need f3?

[kvuo75]

You've played for a total of less than 3 hours over the past three tours and you expect anyone to give a hoot about your opinion? LOLOLOL

i've played more than 3 hours, but time sitting in field guns killing vulchers doesn't count

[Widewing]

What reasons do the IL-2 need F3 mode as well as A20? Both are classified as attack planes, A20 could be debated but frankly a good stick will win with the plane either way, why does it need f3?

Aside from a the standard rule of having all bombers with 3 or more crew members having F3, the fact remains that the A-20 is completely blind to the rear. It is, after all, a bomber. A very high performance bomber, but a bomber nonetheless. The Boston, just as fast and even more agile at low speed has F3....

The problem here is that this is a very slippery slope. What criteria would HTC use? How do we decide which aircraft lose F3? What about the TBM, the SBD and the D3a?  All have forward firing guns. All can out-turn most fighters...

[B4Buster]

While we're at it - remove F3 in the DA as well. I hate pray & spray, BnZ Tempests who make impossible under-the-nose shots while doing Mach 3 from their atmosphere re-entry while I'm fighting five of their buddies.

[Butcher]

While we're at it - remove F3 in the DA as well. I hate pray & spray, BnZ Tempests who make impossible under-the-nose shots while doing Mach 3 from their atmosphere re-entry while I'm fighting five of their buddies.

LOL it would be nice actually, I used to love DA lake until ^ became the only way people play now a days.

Bad as the MA gets it is no where near as bad as a dozen tempys doing mach 3 in F3 mode.

[B4Buster]

LOL it would be nice actually, I used to love DA lake until ^ became the only way people play now a days.

Bad as the MA gets it is no where near as bad as a dozen tempys doing mach 3 in F3 mode.

You know, I hate being a tin foil hat - wearing paranoid, but it's just so blatantly obvious.

Sorry for the hijack 

[JUGgler]

What reasons do the IL-2 need F3 mode as well as A20? Both are classified as attack planes, A20 could be debated but frankly a good stick will win with the plane either way, why does it need f3?

I think all 3 should have F3 IF nothing is done to mitigate "hordeswaggle vulchfests" 

                                 OR

Have 2 types of hangars, 1 type being "aircraft" hangars, ALL planes can up from them and vehicle hangars

Otherwise I don't see a need for F3 in these planes 




JUGgler

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Its very simple, allow f3 mode for bombers, just make it so no one can shoot while in 3rd person. 


Moving right along.

[Widewing]

Well, tour 150 is nearly over and I thought that I'd check my A-20 stats...

74 kills, 4 deaths.

Against aircraft, 39 kills, 1 death. I believe the one death resulted from a collision with a P-51. All air to air kills were in defense of an airfield (all kills, both air and ground resulted from defending a base).


A6M5b: 1
B-17G: 3
B-24J: 1
Bf 109F-4: 1
Bf 109G-14: 1
Brewster B-239: 1
C-47A: 1
F4U-1: 1
F4U-1A: 2
F4U-1D: 2
F6F-5   : 5
La-7: 2   
Lancaster III: 2
N1K2: 5   
P-47N: 1   
P-51D: 4   
SeaFire: 2   
Spitfire Mk IX: 2   
Spitfire Mk VIII: 2   

I'm usually below 5k, frequently on the deck.

So yeah, if flown intelligently, the A-20 is a potent adversary. IMHO, it's single greatest advantage is that few opposing pilots take it seriously... At least until they find themselves in the tower.

 

[Widewing]

Well, tour 150 is nearly over and I thought that I'd check my A-20 stats...

76 kills, 4 deaths.

Against aircraft, 41 kills, 1 death. I believe the one death resulted from a collision with a P-51. All air to air kills were in defense of an airfield (all kills, both air and ground resulted from defending a base).


A6M5b: 1
B-17G: 3
B-24J: 1
Bf 109F-4: 1
Bf 109G-14: 1
Brewster B-239: 1
C-47A: 1
F4U-1: 1
F4U-1A: 2
F4U-1D: 2
F6F-5: 5
La-7: 2   
Lancaster III: 2
N1K2: 5   
P-38L: 1
P-47N: 1   
P-51D: 4   
SeaFire: 2   
Spitfire Mk IX: 2   
Spitfire Mk VIII: 2   
Spitfire Mk XVI: 1

I'm usually below 5k, frequently on the deck.

So yeah, if flown intelligently, the A-20 is a potent adversary. IMHO, it's single greatest advantage is that few opposing pilots take it seriously... At least until they find themselves in the tower.

 

Updated the above....

I had time to fly one A-20 sortie this afternoon... Added a Spit16 and P-38... Neither had a clue what to expect....

[Karnak]

Maybe it is because I read these forums, but I always approach and A-20 with caution and assume it will be able to fight back effectively.  I'm not particularly good at the game, but I've yet to lose anything to one.  I did meet one the other day while flying a Mossie, but I was well above him and he'd recently been engaged with another fighter.  The A-20 was pretty tough and he managed to ditch in the ocean.