A weight challenge

[nrshida]

I am working class so it's better I eat crap so I don't last.

 

[Bizman]

btw I eat once a day.  I dont eat snakes or candy or ice cream or any sugary stuff.  I am still at 210 on a 5'7 frame.  that is overweight.  cant seem to lose even though i exerciser regularly.  the problem is my calorie intake is equal.  but I am getting there.  i used to weight 265.

That might actually be the issue of you not losing weight. Some studies say that the human body adapts to the amount of calories available, consuming less when you're on a diet. For proof think about the Nazi German concentration camps, the survivors must have had their inner flame burning very low! They also say that five smaller meals a day would be the way to get your body consuming energy instead of saving it.

[FLOOB]

floob that is bs that  a person can go for a year without eating. you dont eat you dont just lose fat, you also lose muscle. 

a bag of salted pork or bag of rice cakes is irrelevant.  what you need to know is how you going to supplement it.  without water you will die before you starve.

and this is the most ridiculous statement i ever heard.

"It's not what you eat, or how much you eat, or how much exercise you get, it's how often you eat."

it actually contradicts itself. you need a balance between your intake and your outtake.  if you eat less calories than you burn  you will lose weight.

btw I eat once a day.  I dont eat snakes or candy or ice cream or any sugary stuff.  I am still at 210 on a 5'7 frame.  that is overweight.  cant seem to lose even though i exerciser regularly.  the problem is my calorie intake is equal.  but I am getting there.  i used to weight 265.


semp

Poor semp. This is what happens when you don't watch the videos I link people. Don't be a Semp.

A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around 30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal without supplementation. A temporary period of hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast. Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a consistent feature from the first month onwards. After 100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent increase in the excretion of urinary cations and inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal. These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this patient had no ill-effects.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/dr-chet-williams/2014/06/this-450-pound-man-fasted-for-over-a-year-and-he-lost-more-than-half-his-weight/

Really is a testament to how nutritious fat is.

[Changeup]

no ketchup no fries.  no cheese and no hot sauce.  i prefer jalapenos.  raw.


semp

You're saying you only eat a hamburger OR burrito every day AND you exercise and you aren't losing weight?

[NatCigg]

ever see anybody not eat and still hold weight?   

i doubt that.

I loose weight when my intake is less than energy burn.

I would think a grown man could live well to lose weight if he ate a handfull of peanuts and a roll of bread every day.  Although sitting at a desk all day could be compared to being in a concentration camp. Watch out for the stairs! 

[BaldEagl]

When I was going through chemo and radiation I lived on 2 scrambled eggs, 2 bottles of Ensure and a half s can of chicken noodle soup every day for 2-3 months.  Those were the only things I could swallow that actually tasted ok.  As I said, I lost about 23 lbs. but I never felt hungry.

Now that I can eat again I start nearly every morning with two eggs (nothing else except on the weekends), by noonish I have slice of pizza, a sandwich or a hamburger or something (no fries, chips, etc.), mid afternoon I'll have a bagel or a muffin or something else as a pick-me-up and late in the afternoon I'll have a high protein snack (power bar, trail mix, nuts, jerky, etc.) then I go home and have a couple of beers before bedtime.  I've been able to totally maintain my new lower weight.  I eat more on weekends and still have all my favorites (donuts, pizza, pasta, etc.) in moderation.  My weight can swing up to 2 lbs/day depending on what/how I eat (I weigh myself daily now).

IMO the number of times you eat and the timing of those meals has a lot to do with it.  You need to eat early enough in the day to burn off the calories.  Prior to treatment I'd eat a full breakfast, snack on sweets in the afternoon, eat a big meal at night, pound alcohol then snack right before bedtime.  I gained weight.  I was watching the morning news one day.  Nora O'Donnell said something that I think makes sense; Eat like a king in the morning, a prince in the afternoon and a pauper at night.

[NatCigg]

You're saying you only eat a hamburger OR burrito every day AND you exercise and you aren't losing weight?

I think he said. "I drink enough beer to fatten a tiger"

[guncrasher]

I think he said. "I drink enough beer to fatten a tiger"

actually I only drink when I play ah. which is a couple of days every other week.  the reason I dont lose weight is because I am trading fat for muscle.  was wondering who would say that first.

semp

[Changeup]

actually I only drink when I play ah. which is a couple of days every other week.  the reason I dont lose weight is because I am trading fat for muscle.  was wondering who would say that first.

semp

You don't "trade" fat for muscle on a burrito or hamburger a day.

[guncrasher]

You don't "trade" fat for muscle on a burrito or hamburger a day.

well have lost inches somehow.  and not just in height.  think my metabolism is really low.  also it doesnt help when you have torn ligaments in both feet past year.


semp

[APDrone]

I'm liking all the discussion and options. Got a few things to try, it seems.

I suspect, like with all things human, your own genetic and psychological construct will determine which type of diet ( if any ) will work better for you. 

As long as I have coffee, water,steak,  and cheese, I'll be ok.

So.. gonna start with low-carb/low sugar approach... and throw in a few sets of pushups on a daily basis.  I already get in a few 3mile/day walks per week, so I'm not starting completely from scratch. Maybe toss in a day of fasting every now and then.  Gave up drinking at the first of the year, so that's not a problem. ( New years resolution was no alcohol until losing 50 lbs )

I found an awesome cheese place outside of Milwaukee, so with 10lbs of nicely aged yellow and white cheddar lurking in the fridge, the non-fat diet is a NO-NO.  This time around, anyway.

We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for all the suggestions, guys!

[Changeup]

Basil metabolic rate - caloric intake + Exercise calories burned

If caloric intake is more than those two, you don't have a chance.

Try whatever gimmicks you want but if you don't burn the calories you eat every day, you will wear them.

[Brooke]

Basil metabolic rate - caloric intake + Exercise calories burned

If caloric intake is more than those two, you don't have a chance.

Try whatever gimmicks you want but if you don't burn the calories you eat every day, you will wear them.

The metabolism of the human body isn't that simple.  It is a complex control system with complicated feedback mechanisms that regulate how many of those calories are retained as fat.

For example, if you are a typical man and eat 3000 calories per day high in carbs (pasta, bread, fruit juice, Mexican food, tortilla chips, sugar, etc.), you will gain weight up to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome).  Eat 3000 calories per day of nothing but meat and non-starchy vegetables, and you will lose weight down to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome).  I have done this experiment myself, and so have several other people I know.

[Changeup]

The metabolism of the human body isn't that simple.  It is a complex control system with complicated feedback mechanisms that regulate how many of those calories are retained as fat.

For example, if you are a typical man and eat 3000 calories per day high in carbs (pasta, bread, fruit juice, Mexican food, tortilla chips, sugar, etc.), you will gain weight up to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome).  Eat 3000 calories per day of nothing but meat and non-starchy vegetables, and you will lose weight down to some set point determined by your genetics (and possibly microbiome).  I have done this experiment myself, and so have several other people I know.

Brooke

Yes, if your BMR is 3000 you're right.  If it's not, you're completely wrong.  Calories are units of fuel.  If they aren't burned they're stored.  It's that simple.  You can try to cut it up into exceptions to rules with all manner of qualifiers but in the end, ask any doctor or nutritionist (which you are neither, no offense) and they'll explain it to you

[Brooke]

Calories are units of fuel.  If they aren't burned they're stored.  It's that simple. 

The body isn't just a container that burns the food and that's that.  There are metabolic pathways, feedback mechanisms, etc., that are affected by properties of food in addition to calories.  Some food at the same calories will make you more fat than other food at the same calories.  So, there is food you can eat that will make you fat, and food you can eat that won't make you fat -- for the same calories.