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Offline SilverZ06

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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2018, 01:52:34 PM »

Give this experiment time, it's been obvious this would happen as Hitech hemorrhaged new first day customers with AH3. Along with constant horrible reviews out in the real world of how toxic we have become in our years of treating outsiders and each other like garbage. This game centered on the MA as the core of the game cannot survive if it continues to be a culture of grown men sharing by communicating with virtual flame throwers for everything and nothing. It's now a reflexive response out of many over almost anything.

In our day yes, roasting people through smack talk on ch1 then ch200 was as much the game as shooting them in a furball. Then adding chest thumping on top of it after cheap shot shooting them from their blind side. Online all of us know many feel no need to limit themselves becasue there is nothing to loose on the anonymous Internet. Today AH3 is at a cross roads and based on responses in this post, many don't care, and are attacking Hitech's action to save his company with the same  rancor as they treat customers new and old in the MA. Hitech has a business to run and needs new customers. At this point AH3 has become like a once popular bar that needs to attract a younger clientele to keep the doors open. While the regulars of many years feel they own the place and drive away anyone checking out their dump.

And yes it's obvious AH has been one of the few places left for some to not feel controlled by this modern PC language and thought policed society. While spending time in the company of the like minded who hate that phenomenon. Aside from the poor conduct issues on 200, it tends to be dominated by exclusivity and outright exclusion while it's supposed to be open to all of Hitech's customers. It's always been dysfunctional in that respect while the common response is always "don't tune to it" by it's favored sons. It is provided to "all" of Hitech's customers while devolving into a clique domain.

Being good customers does not entitle us to destroy Hitech's business becasue we want it to stay a familiar comfortable place for us.

I hate to break it to you but the reason players don't stay is not because of channel 200. A couple weeks ago I was helping a first day squeaker try to take off in a set of bombers. Once I found out what field he was at I upped a plane next to him to help him via vox vs trying to type over the help channel. His first two observations to me were 1) how the graphics were horrible compared to WoW that he had been flying on, and 2) The lack of enemies/players on at the time. It also didn't help that about 3 minutes after he took off and was flying the war was won and he was booted off the server and had no idea why. Those are the real issues of the game. Even with AH3 the graphics are still a decade behind other games out. A lack of players is also a huge deterrent. It gets boring flying for 5 or even 10 minutes to find any action and then to get killed right away as a newbie is just not fun. Blocking 200 is just putting a band aid over a shotgun wound.

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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2018, 02:03:07 PM »
Silver, did you mention to that  new 1st day player at the time the "war was won" message popped up that the arena was fixing to be reset? There used to be a time limit allotted for people to try and land before the arena reset... I am assuming that it is still the same
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2018, 02:14:09 PM »
AH has taught me a lot about how to deal with online bullies and be tough, which I think is important today. The thing about AH that separates it from the pack is that the community is all in one place so you really get to "know" their online personalities. We are in a combat game of skill where tentions and emotions can run high. In AH, there's a lot more focus on chat than in most other games. I believe that there should be more of a mod effort to cut down on bad behavior. I don't know if taking out 200 will help anything. But, being it's a choice for gamers to enter into 200, I don't think it should be taken out. If anything, PMs should be takin out as they are private and cannot be regulated, there by opening the opportunity for bad mouthing and spying.
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2018, 02:19:27 PM »
Silver, did you mention to that  new 1st day player at the time the "war was won" message popped up that the arena was fixing to be reset? There used to be a time limit allotted for people to try and land before the arena reset... I am assuming that it is still the same
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2018, 02:26:58 PM »
Agreed.  Seems to me if they're looking at turfing 200, it would be a better move to introduce permasquelch instead, so as to not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Just my $0.02.


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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2018, 02:53:30 PM »

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.......
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,12250.0.html
 
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Heh!  I've brought it up a time or two myself.  HT's explained why he didn't.  By the look of it he may have adjusted his opinion.

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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2018, 03:00:38 PM »
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    It is a good simulation but there are a low number of players and many of them have dreadful attitudes towards other players. For example there is a high level of superficial charm but after a while the real personalities start to come through and then you realise there is something very wrong with many of these people and you are probably dealing with an unusually high proportion of psychopaths. There are no new players and when they do get new players, they tend to leave very quickly because of the dreadful social interactions. When these problems are raised in the community they are denied and burried. The community argues that their community is friendly and supportive: let me make this very clear, they are friendly and supportive of each other but not outsiders. Having said all that, there are some decent human beings in the game but they generally let the psychopaths ruin it for the nice people, probably because they do not want to be attacked like the other victims.So if you can handle personality disorders and you like to fly a very well built air combat simulation then go for it.

 

Most of you are telling everyone the solution is to de-tune 200, so Hitech really should give it back. Because you just know we will play nice after this 10,000th attempt by Hitech to rein us in. And the previous 9,999 times the same things were said by this community and promised to Hitech if he would just leave us alone. And the same player during one of the more recent rounds said the same thing about how bad these things are in other games so get over it. And the same cast of characters are verbatim saying the same things to Hitech they always say. Using anecdotal evidence, then finally agreeing everyone who can't take the heat just de-tune 200 and all will be OK. A new development at least is pointing out country text and VOX is just as toxic as ch200. Hitech didn't go there, you gents just volunteered it and I can verify after almost 20 years in this game, you are telling the truth.

All is not OK and it is us who are causing reviews like the one in quotes Hitech shared that are the norm now when strangers describe our game. The new game about to be released in January on Steam if you check that site, is one way to distance new customers from old dysfunctional customers while Hitech figures out how to change things in AH3 to save it from itself. I suspect ch200 is only an initial step.

Once in AH2 the MA was split becasue the community was too large and promoted a vile environment becasue it exceeded Dunbar's number. Too many players disassociated the community from itself removing the peer pressure of knowing everyone in the community which acts as a curb on negative behavior and impulses. On the opposite end of that, small insular communities with no outside input will normalize bad behavior and defend it from outsiders with that bad behavior to keep the comfort of the status quo. This is what Hitech is facing today and for him it translates into paying his bills and providing for his family. I've been wondering when he would start doing something like this.
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2018, 03:46:36 PM »
AH is the most civil online gaming community I’ve ever been in, way nicer than aw even. AH doesn’t have a toxic community as these malcontents would have people believe. That review you quoted is ridiculous and exaggerated.

“They seem nice until you get to know them and then you realize that they’re psychopaths!!”

C’mon man. Your going to take that review seriously.

And the number one reason people quit multiplayer games is (drum roll)... “Every one is a jerk!”

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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2018, 03:51:59 PM »
Come on fellas. It is not a big deal.... and if we can show a little maturity about, I bet it will be opened again.

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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2018, 04:31:04 PM »
75% of the people complaining on 200 are because of getting hoed. After 12 years in the game it is the same broke record whining about hoes. It takes 2 people to get into position to hoe. Take your  :ahand and piss off.
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2018, 04:45:34 PM »
75% of the people complaining on 200 are because of getting hoed. After 12 years in the game it is the same broke record whining about hoes. It takes 2 people to get into position to hoe. Take your  :ahand and piss off.

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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2018, 05:55:20 PM »
Got on tonight and flew one mission.   200 being disabled really took something away from the game for me.   Oh well.  Like anything else I’ll adapt.   :salute
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2018, 06:24:08 PM »
See Rule #4
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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2018, 07:33:12 PM »
AH is the most civil online gaming community I’ve ever been in, way nicer than aw even. AH doesn’t have a toxic community as these malcontents would have people believe. That review you quoted is ridiculous and exaggerated.

“They seem nice until you get to know them and then you realize that they’re psychopaths!!”

C’mon man. Your going to take that review seriously.

And the number one reason people quit multiplayer games is (drum roll)... “Every one is a jerk!”

Don’t fall for the hype.


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Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2018, 07:50:30 PM »
Well darn. I can’t collect on the bet I won now. Must’ve been a HT shade I schooled in that ridiculously overmodeled Brewster.
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