Explain Why the F4U-4 is a Perk Plane Again?? (HighValue)

[wells]

Perk points aren't just about performance, no?  I reckon the F4u-4 was a rarity in WW2 in general, thus it has a price to make it rare in the arena, at least that's what it appears that HTC is trying to do with the perk system.  It's probably a combination of performance vs abundance (there's a word I haven't used in a long time! hehehe)

[Wilbus]

The F4u-4 is far superior to the Ta152 so perking it at 10 points when the TA is at 30 would be 100% wrong IMO.

It's fast and accels good, bout same speed as the 109 G10 at the deck and climbs fairly well. But not worth 60 either IMO.

Wells, like so many others have said, inlcuding me, the rarity of a plane SHOULD be of no meaning considerin the MA doesn't have a single historical thing what so ever in it, expcet the fact that there are WW2 planes.

So, if a plane only flew in numbers bellow 10, but sucked bad, it shouldn't be perked IMO.

Wish HTC would perk them because of overuse or superior performance only.

[Rebel]

Heya Wells, long time no CC, eh?

Perk points aren't just about performance, no? I reckon the F4u-4 was a rarity in WW2 in general, thus it has a price to make it rare in the arena, at least that's what it appears that HTC is trying to do with the perk system. It's probably a combination of performance vs abundance (there's a word I haven't used in a long time! hehehe)

Well yeah, that makes sense- I pretty much have the same idea on it.  
Maybe Performance/abundance ^2 = Perk?


Now on to Wilbus- heya!

The F4u-4 is far superior to the Ta152 so perking it at 10 points when the TA is at 30 would be 100% wrong IMO.

Okay guys- I've only restarted flying AH in like the past 3 days.  I am SERIOUSLY gonna get out there and do some gameplay tests after I get my perk points, hehehe!.  

I have no idea how the F4u-4 operates in the Arena, but I'm pretty sure it's a mean sucker to come across- as is the Ta-152H.

Wish HTC would perk them because of overuse or superior performance only

Ya see, the only problem here is that the really rare late war planes WOULD be superior performers.  Maybe the rarity is just an added perk to the perk system?

So, if a plane only flew in numbers bellow 10, but sucked bad, it shouldn't be perked IMO

Well ya wouldn't need to- nobody would fly it anyway, so chances are it'd be just as rare (see above)

Look at the Arado- I don't know how many bombs she can carry,  but a 400 some ought knot bomber?  Ya GOTTA perk that, ya know- added benefit is the rarity

But I wouldn't want to see more then maybe 4 262's a week- it just wouldn't seem proper, ya know?

[whels]

Originally posted by Rebel
Heya Karnak!

Now that I think about it, I bet most Hogs I see would be F4u1C's.  I mean, take into effect that the average joe doesn't know how to E-fight, and DOES know that 4 20mm cannons (escpecially hispanos) is a LOT of firepower....

Whadda you think?  Kinda hard to tell.....I wish it was the same with the F4u-4.

how to tell F4Us apart.

F4U-1   has light blue belly others dont

F4U-1d  has yellow cowl ring on nose

F4U-1c  has those huge guns stickin out of the wing

F4U-4  looks like Chog in paint  but with out the
guns poking out.

whels

[Wilbus]

Howdy Ho Rebel

On the Arado thing, I totally agree, that buff is leathal IMO and unless you allready have a 262 in the air when it arives, you will never catch it. It doesn't bleed E fast, very sleak nice plane and tus it can outdive anything and stay VERY fast for a long time at the deck. It carries 3x500kg (3300lbs) so it's enough for a hanger, bring a few of these up and you can pork alot of things.

Same thing about 262, same thing about the Tempest although I consider the Tempest to be a bit overpriced, maybe the Arado is too now when there is a 262.

On Comparison with the TA152 and the F4U-4 I've tried the F4u-4 for some sorties, it's REALLY nice but NOT worth 60 perks.

Good things about it is, turn rate, like all F4u's it can turn with most E fighters, 1 or 2 notches of flaps and it turns really well. It climbs good and got a good deck speed, it's is only slightly faster at the deck the the 109 G10 (I know, I had to run from 2x109's and a bunch of others for 5 minutes).
The best thing about it, I think, is most likely the acceleration in a dive, picks up speed as if the devil was on its 6.

Ta152 is allso a very nice plane IMO, if flown right, it rocks, it turns well, got a GREAT range and the internal fuel load enables it to stay in air (100% fuel no DT) 10 minutes longer then the P51 D in the MA.
Good guns, you got 2x20mm and a 30mm, one gun for every fight
The WEP is Nice, 10 minutes but it takes too long to reload, R/L they ran it for 10 minutes, cooled down 5, ran it 10 minutes, cooled down 5 untill the MW50 and/or GM1 fluids were gone.
Good climb rate with WEP unless you're very heavy on fuel.
TA152 has got very good acceleration aswell, I've actually caught Arados with it even though both of us were diving and I only had 1k alt on him, ended with him outmanuvering me at 500Mph (almost broke my wings) and me running from a bunch of perk hungry fighters.

Now, to it's downsides, Speed, it's slow at the deck, it's really quite a bit too slow, specially for a perk. 360Mph at the deck with WEP, bout 330 without. LA7, P51, Tiffie, 109G10, Dora, Tempest F4u4 and some others will catch it and some others too.
High altitude performance should be better I think, compare it to a spit 9, and the spit 9 outclimbs it well above 30k even when TA is on wep and spit is not. It allso outmanuvers it. Accelration and speed at that alt is good though.

For MA fights, wich are usually at 10k and bellow, the TA152 is not all that good, although I love her

[stantond]

Thanks Vermillion!

I appreciate the confirmation.  I noticed the F4U-1C (I wrote the F4U-1D when I meant the F4U-4) has more of a tendency to ground loop than the -1D or -1.  

For what it's worth, I was very disappointed when the F4U-4 was perked.  I was hoping to see a (non perked) F4U that was similar to the AW version.  Oh well.  

The F4U-1 and -1D planes performance still don't make sense to me, not that they must.  It seems that a prop plane that can go 340ias on the deck ought to be able to climb pretty well.  I also think the F6F should climb better.  Maybe there is some prop efficiency-mach number issue that was going on with the planes.

It is probably more like I am remembering the (past) AW plane models.  I pay attention to details like climb rate and top speed.  Given time, my brain will let the information fade and these issues will not exist.

What I would like (not that I have the time) is a set of E-M charts for all the planes in AH.  Documented plane performance would be cool.  



Regards,

Ledz

[Wilbus]

Hi Stantond, speed alone does not give it a good climb rate, take alook at the 190 A8, almost as fast as the F4u 1D (F4U1D does about 355 on the deck) and C at the deck but climbs worse, now look at the G6, with wep at the deck the G6 does about 335 Mph, but it climsb MUCH better then the F4u and the 190 A8.

A plane can be fast but climb poor, a plane can be slow but climb great (A6M5).

Btw, have you seen the plane charts on the help page?

[Red Tail 444]

Look at the Zeke. I remember reading (or hearing it) somewhere, that it climbed much better than the hog and most other early to mid-year aircraft (someone find the quote for me). I never saw the data, so maybe it's just an old wives tale...

[Wilbus]

Not a Tale at all Red Tail.

The Zeke, just as in AH had a nice climb rate, it almost got to 20k in 7 minutes wich is fairly good, climb rate is pretty good in AH, about 3.4k/min at the deck.

The problem with it is that although it get up to its alt pretty quick, it does it in a slow speed, much slower then most other planes.

[pimpjoe]

did some test's the other night. changed my mind.

this is the reason to un-perk the f4u-4 or at least lower the price.

[pimpjoe]

that thing does damn near everything better. and has bigger guns. and most people will argue that the la7 wont stay in the air as long due to the fuel. it will stay airborn longer than the -4 unless you take a droptank

[Wilbus]

Same reason, amongst others, why you should unperk the Ta152 aswell.

[AKEagle+]

I just checked the stats for tour 24

F4U-4  has 572 Kills and 231 deaths of and by all planes.

F4U-1C has a 5633/2681, not much less than the F4U-4 and a LOT less points.

F4U-1 has 1777/1925, gets it's butt kicked like the F4U-1D

F4U-1D is 8803/12263, not too impressive.

C205 has 5606 to 6283

FW190A-8  the Axis "Cannon Hawg" 6311/5840

NIK-2  30488/25620  not bad for a non-perked plane that is used in furballs or by newbies

Spit9  32900/33636  not even 1:1 and people want to perk it ! LOL

Spit 5  20772/20260 nice little furball machine  gives as good as it gets.  Lot os Spits in the arena, and why not??

TA 152  367/247  not very impressive for a costly perk ride IMHO.

Tempest  975/235, you have a strong case for perking this puppy

ME 262 1869/346, WOW! even bettern the Tempest.

BF-109G-10  11745/9771. Nice stats for a nice plane.  But no better than the F4U1-C Cannon Hawg, and twice as common in the arena

C-47A has 762/9699, nope no need to perk that one

My Sweet dumpling Dora, the FW-190D9, 10496/7536, pretty impressive!  And a non-perk as it should be.  Again about twice as common as the F4U-1C, and a much better kill ratio.

The P51D Mustang, what a nice machine  30793/30552

If you check it out, the F4U Corsairs are not a common ride these days.  I'll be a big chunk of them are flown from carriers. If it weren't for Carrier Assaults, I have a feeling they would be like DoDo birds.  I mean how often do you REALLY see the F4U other than at bases being vulched by carriers???  It is after all the best E fighter of the carrier planes.

Now look at these figures, and reconsider, why is the F4U-4 perked at 60 points????  You know that the present figure is inflated do to the fact that anyone who takes these out wants to bring them back.  I doubt if you made them a low perk or no perk that they would dominate the arena as everyone fears.  

I think they should at least be a no-perk when flown from a carrier?????  It would make carrier assaults much more effective

AKEagle+

[pbirmingham]

Originally posted by pimpjoe

not so...i ran into 3 la7's in a -4 the other day. out flew all 3 of em and killed em.  

Now I know you're lying.  If you outflew 3 La7's, wouldn't they all run away?

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Look at the Zeke. I remember reading (or hearing it) somewhere, that it climbed much better than the hog and most other early to mid-year aircraft (someone find the quote for me). I never saw the data, so maybe it's just an old wives tale...

You will find that the Zero can maintain a much steeper climb than almost every other fighter. If you want to outclimb a Zero, you must do so in a high speed, shallow climb. Going pure vertical against a Zero at Co-E is suicide, So don't do it. Not even in a 109G-10.

My regards,

Widewing