Author Topic: D9 invincivility / eficiency in MA (Read 3472 times)

Urchin · « **Reply #195 on:** January 05, 2002, 09:09:00 PM »

Karnak is right here, in my opinion. "Slow" planes that are good turners really only 'ruin' the game for anything that they are also faster than. Fast planes (or even worse, fast planes that are also good turners) 'ruin' the game for a LOT more planes.

I don't think the Spits need to be perked. It is obvious that they are enjoyable to fly (even if you, personally, don't like them). It is also obvious, from the IX's K/D, that a LOT of newbies fly the plane.

As much as I would like to turn all the newbies into future "Luftwhiners" by forcing them to fly a 109F4 for their first plane, it really isn't practical.

Yes, the Spit IX can be a holy terror if it is flown properly. Fortunately for the MA, VERY few people can actually fly it properly. So leave it be, in my opinion.

Karnak · « **Reply #196 on:** January 05, 2002, 09:23:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin:
Slow" planes that are good turners really only 'ruin' the game for anything that they are also faster than. Fast planes (or even worse, fast planes that are also good turners) 'ruin' the game for a LOT more planes.

Thank you, Urchin.

That is exactly what I am trying to say.

Hooligan · « **Reply #197 on:** January 06, 2002, 02:28:00 AM »

Perk spits cause somebody is tired of seeing them? Can we perk idiotic whining cause I am sure tired of seeing that.

Hooligan

kbman · « **Reply #198 on:** January 06, 2002, 04:25:00 AM »

Ditto Hooli. As this thread pushes 200 posts, fueled by the conceit of a single individual, I am both supremely confident of and profoundly grateful for the fact that HTC knows better than to ever perk the Spits.

kbman

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #199 on:** January 06, 2002, 10:15:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hooligan:
Perk spits cause somebody is tired of seeing them? Can we perk idiotic whining cause I am sure tired of seeing that.

Hooligan

ROFLOL, do u use a 4 bits cpu-brain???

lazs1 · « **Reply #200 on:** January 06, 2002, 10:23:00 AM »

mandoble... you have a lot better chance of survival in a fast late war plane but you sacrafice action and fun in equal proportion. It is much easier for fast late war planes to ruin the arena than slow, good turners.

I have settled on medium planes. the -1 and hellcat, p47, G6, A5 etc are all medium. They accelerate and climb poorly but have "good" speed and roll. You can actually mix it up in a fur with em. I do ok agains Spits, niks and lags. I find 51's and D9's as well as all the perk rides to be annoying and unfun to fly against in the arena.
lazs

Wilbus · « **Reply #201 on:** January 06, 2002, 10:24:00 AM »

I haven't followed this thread, just came in for the 200:th post

However, Karnak, the mossie turns very very well and it accelerates great. Not saying it should be perked or anything. Just a very good plane that can outturn most E fighters. The way to beat it however, is in the vertical, zoom in it and the E bleeds FAST and you won't gain much alt.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #202 on:** January 06, 2002, 12:44:00 PM »

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Originally posted by kbman:
Ditto Hooli. As this thread pushes 200 posts, fueled by the conceit of a single individual, I am both supremely confident of and profoundly grateful for the fact that HTC knows better than to ever perk the Spits.

Yeah, especially when everyone knows they should perk the La-7 instead.

-- Todd/Leviathn

-ammo- · « **Reply #203 on:** January 06, 2002, 01:17:00 PM »

still going....the horse is really bloody.

Kieran · « **Reply #204 on:** January 06, 2002, 01:21:00 PM »

SOB-

I was real close to dropping the "pic" for this one... you know, the "graceful exit".

Karnak · « **Reply #205 on:** January 06, 2002, 05:29:00 PM »

Wilbus,

Yes, the Mossie does out turn many BnZ aircraft, but as you noted it doesn't go vertical well. Last time I ran into a Bf109G-6 I was slowly managing to out turn him by dropping a notch of flaps and flying as close to the edge as I could. He simply took the fight verticle and after going around about 4 times he got a solution with that 30mm cannon and <BOOOOM!!!!!>.

The Mossie turns about like a Bf109G-2, Fw190A-5 or P-51D.

Anyways, I've said everything I have to say on this subject. I agree with kbman in that HTC will not perk the Spits.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #206 on:** January 06, 2002, 07:33:00 PM »

Karnak, there you have a good example. Your mossie is faster than 109G6 and 109F, but they'll beat you over'n over due their acceleration. Speed is a secondary factor if there is no surprise factor to do real boom&zoom attacks. Of course you will have the chance to flee by speed, but only if you outaccelerate quick enough your enemy to get a real speed advantage and a substantial separation, and I know only one plane able to do this: La7.
The second key factor, IMO, is control at hi speed (hi speed is not extreme speed).
Any of our planes is suitable to be a hi speed fighter, even a 109F. Climb enough, do a sallow dive and keep fast all the time. The problem with the so-called slow fighters is that they are used mainly in a TnB way, burning all their speed doing flat turns. Neither so-called fast planes nor slow ones can sustain any speed advantage used only this way. If found a lot of good spit drivers having a slight alt advantage over my D9, and keeping that advantage on alt or speed all the time, no way to catch them. Of course, these pilots know how to use a spit instead trying to turn in a dime and pointing their hispanos towards my 190.

Urchin · « **Reply #207 on:** January 06, 2002, 10:07:00 PM »

But it is silly to want the Spitfires perked just because a handful (and I mean a handful, probably not more than 10 people), really KNOW how to get the most out of a spitfire (and Leviathn friggin counts twice!).

I'm not going to tell you how to kill Spits, you already know how. I'm really not understanding why you want to see the Spitfires perked. I understand that they are a lot more common than some planes (like the Ta152 :plug:

), but they still arent anywhere NEAR as common as the C-Hog used to be.

It almost sounds to me like you are getting burnout from flying LW planes. Take a break, fly the P38 or the P47. Try out a Spit for a few flights, just to play around in. Either that or do like me and start working 10 hour days, you'll treasure every bit of AH you can get your grubby little hands on.

Karnak · « **Reply #208 on:** January 06, 2002, 10:55:00 PM »

MANDOBLE,

The Bf109G-6 is faster than the Mossie and the Bf109F-4 doesn't scare me.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #209 on:** January 06, 2002, 11:18:00 PM »

Karnak, at least my 109G6 is slower than my Mossie.

Urchin, I dont want Spit to be perked just because a bunch of pilots know how to use it. Just because, IMO, is overused. F4U1-C was "extremely" overused when was perked.

Perhaps its only me, or perhaps the other countries desired planes, but I see a lot of spits everywhere, much more than anyother kind of plane. And not, I'm not bored of flying 190, it is not a boring plane as someones think. It only depends on how u use it. In fact, every plane could be used in a boring way.