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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2001, 10:33:00 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2001, 03:36:00 AM »
Kieran, in this imaginary duel, the 10 spits have all the advantage, they are the ones that will grab alt with superior climb rate at 20k (better substained, much better in zoom). If the spit group put the fight even higher, then they will have also the speed advantage. They are the ones that will decide wether engange or not. The only chance for the Dora group is to use much better tactics than the spits (veterans vs greens) or keep running down all the time.

Sky Viper, sometimes we have fun even being shotdown, sometimes we get bored even scoring kill streaks. This has no relation with the efectiveness of a plane in our MA.

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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2001, 06:08:00 AM »
Man-

My mom can beat your mom up (or, we ain't never gonna see eye-to-eye on this). S! for a spirited debate!

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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2001, 06:47:00 AM »
<MANDOBLE>

I find this really strange about people wanting to perk the spitfireIX and also not introduce the SpitfireXIV.

(Here is my view on the current events on this fourm)
Now we all know that spitfire as the most used planes in the MA. This would be because most new players want to know the best plane to start off with. Most people would write on the text board " Use the Spit". Its because the Spit can withstand and also maintain E effectively. Now to my other point after saying that. Looking at PERKING the spit, LOL< I mean it  :). We all know most people will turn to the next best fighter in the MA, that would be 109 190 or the NIK. Next thing will you know it, we will be all back here talking about Perking the NIK or the 190  :). I think the spitfire doods need the SpitXIV i think its pretty unfar to have the large selection of the 109 and also 190 AC and even late war Model AC when the Spit guys  cant even get there SpitXIV. It would also turn a lot of heads around in the MA.

Okay! Okay! am i a spitDweeb or is that what you call a pilot that likes flying one single AC. I jumped into a 190G10 and found it a easy AC to live in. Even more so, I jumped into a 109 and found i could rack up a score of 1/10 kill ratio. So i find it hard that people would complain about spits when really spits are out-matched in the MA and the TA. Also to prove my point, why dont we UNPERK the Tempest. oww no its a super plane. I find this kind of funny and also down right sad sometimes. That we spend more time trying to Effectively stop people having fun, because we take away their Fav ride.

if you have read my post you and right now at the end of it, and mostly wondering what i fly. Well i am happy to say i fly the P47 lighting. Also, here is my GameID so you can check on my score. F5bomber <-- dont ask, F6bomber <--- new account. when you enter 30K feet you in my AIR SPACE  :) your going to die soon  :).

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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2001, 07:02:00 AM »
Does the Spit9 really outaccel the 190D9 in the inital dive? It sure doesnt outaccel the 190A5 and 109G6.

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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2001, 07:11:00 AM »
Grun-

I doubt it, but Man has far more hours in the D9 than I have, so I conceded that possibility. I will add I have NEVER had a problem leaving a Spit in the dust by diving away.

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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2001, 08:04:00 AM »
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Originally posted by AKDejavu:

How much of a difference do you think it would have made if it had been a different pilot in the 190?



D9 could've stayed there indefinitely n made lotsa kills imo.  I was sitting up 20k the other day, anyone attempted to come up close I kilt them BnZ.  Ended up with 16 kills before my puter locked.  A2 Mindanao, just me, my little La7 and a big red bar.

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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2001, 08:18:00 AM »
Yep, GRUNHERZ, D9 initial dive is slow up to 250 mph or so, then the dive accelerates abruptly and enormously up to 350-400 mph. I see the same effect with 190A versions, they outaccelerate the D9 initially in the dive. I also feel the 190A8 much more controlable than D9 at 450 mph or more.

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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2001, 08:36:00 AM »
Man-

I was there with you last night at the center isle (callsign Dolomyte). I was in a 190A5 for comparison. The fights were low, and man is that thing a beast down there! I took the light gun option and was having a ball.

Had a Spit jump my six, I just rolled. He musta been a newbie, because he overshot. It was a simple matter of stopping the roll and blasting him.

Got a couple P-38's. No real trouble, they wanted to loop endlessly. Sooner or later their WEP is gone...

P-51's weren't bad, avoid the pass and watch them run. When they get greedy, you have the acceleration to get them in a situation where they can't get away.

109's are a little dangerous, but scissoring and rolling seems to work.

Even the fearsome Nikki was not too much trouble.

I will spend a lot more low-level time in the A5 for sure!

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« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2001, 11:06:00 AM »
Hehnh... this one is kinda like a "Tuesday; I'm hot, but Thursdays I'm not" discussion.

The MA's reality is based on the pilot flying in it's perception of the fight he's about to engage in.. and this perception usually changes the moment that fight concludes..
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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2001, 11:15:00 AM »
Mebbe, Hang, but I can't seem to buy into the "Woe is me, I fly the 190!" mantra, either. I find them delightful.

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« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »
MANDOBLE,

What the hell are you doing at 250mph in a D-9?

Never, ever go that slow unless you are coming over the top.

The Fw190D-9 should always have the E advantage when entering a fight.  Its speed, climb, acceleration and WEP advantage over the Spit all help it to ensure that it starts faster and higher than the Spit.

That is one of the biggest things I find so laughable about the Luftwaffe fans descriptions here.  They all have the aircraft starting on even footing, e.g. the German aircraft pilots have already screwed up.

In the 10 v 10 and 20k the D-9s and Spit IXs have about the same climb rate, about 3,300fpm and 3,400fpm respectively, and the D-9s have the speed advantage of 425mph to the Spit IXs 380mph.  Send 4 D-9s in using their speed to harass the Spits and pull them lower while the other 6 D-9s climb and gain a definitive E advantage, then BnZ until all Spits are dead.  Remember, your D-9s have 10 minutes of WEP when the Spits have run out of WEP.
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« Reply #58 on: December 22, 2001, 12:53:00 PM »
The weakest part in the Dora are it's guns, which aren't adequate for a bnz plane. Defeating a Dora's gun solution doesn't take much. If I know he's there, he just isn't going to hit me (unless I'd happen to be in a buff or a goon). Then he goes zoom, zoom and zoom until it's rtb time or until I nail his bellybutton as it's hanging there in the sky  :D

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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2001, 01:18:00 PM »
Karnak-

Pretty much the scenario I saw, too. Look higher up.  ;)