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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2002, 02:36:44 PM »
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That was the most succinct arguemnet I've ever heard in my life...oh wait a moment, it's not an arguement at all...it's just a BS insult.


Thrawn, feel free to dig through the hundreds of posts I and Nashwan have written on that subject.  Start with a thread named "A crash cource in mid east history"

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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2002, 03:08:51 PM »
The New Nazis
Steve Malzberg
Tuesday, June 18, 2002
When I wander into the entrance of Jerusalem, I turn into a suicide warrior, I turn into a suicide warrior, in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress. Thank you. – an 8-year-old girl shown on Palestinian TV on a show considered to be equal to our "Sesame Street"
Currently there are 19 dead (I never include the bomber along with his victims) and over 40 wounded. Many are children. The bus was packed with students. That's precisely why it was targeted. The goal of these subhuman monsters is primarily to kill Jews. The Jews of choice are women and children.
Just what exactly is going on here? That's easy. We are all witnessing an attempt by the Arab world governments in general, and the Palestinian Authority in particular, to finish the job that Hitler started. Six million is not enough for these New Nazis; they want the rest to disappear as well.

Let's suppose for a moment that instead of 70 homicide bombings there had been 70 instances of mass kidnappings. For example, instead of seeking out civilian-filled places to blow up, what if the terrorists simply went to these places and forced dozens of women and children into several vehicles and took them away into the West Bank or the Gaza Strip?

Let's suppose that once there, the hostages were hustled into small makeshift gas chambers that were strategically located throughout the civilian populations, similar to the way the bomb factories are distributed there.

Let's suppose that instead of being blown up, these Israeli captives were gassed to death in those small gas chambers. Hundreds of them in 70 different incidents over the course of 21 months. Would we then call these terrorists and those that support them what they really are? Would we hesitate for a moment to call them Nazis?

So what's the difference between gassing these innocent Jews and blowing them up?

The answer is that there is no difference.

The Arab world governments and specifically the Palestinian Authority are raising and supporting the new wave of Nazis. They are out to kill the Jews, and they believe that they will go to heaven for it.

The father of the Nazi who blew up the bus today in Jerusalem told Reuters that he was "very happy that my son was the bomber."

How about the words of this proud mom. Her name is Naima al Obeid. Her 23-year-old son, Mahmoud, was shot dead after killing two Israeli soldiers near the Gaza settlement of Dujit last Saturday. Before he left to go Jew hunting, his mommy made a video with him in which she told him, "G-d willing, you will succeed. May every bullet hit its target, and may G-d give you martyrdom. This is the best day of my life."

Sick, you say? Try this. When she was asked about the killing of Israeli women and children, Mama Nazi replied, "The women and children are also Jews. And I want to tell Jewish mothers: Take your children and run from here because you will never be safe. We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred and when your sons die, they go to hell."

There are nine more little Nazis-in-waiting at home with mama.

And then there's Mariam Farhat. Her Nazi son Mohammed broke into a study hall at a nearby Jewish settlement in Gaza back in March. He used grenades and automatic rifles instead of gas, and he killed five Israeli students and wounded 23 before he could be stopped.

Here's what his Nazi mama had to say to the camera: "When I see all the Jews in Palestine killed, that will be enough for me. I wish he will kill as many of them as he can, so they will be scared."

It's really no wonder that these people think this way. Just read, look at or listen to the state-run Arab media and you get a handbook on how to create today's New Nazi.

Saudi TV features a little girl being asked by the interviewer about the Jews. "They are monkeys and apes," she says.

Another Saudi hit shows a man claiming to be a psychiatrist telling the interviewer about the thrill of blowing yourself up. "Counting down – 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 – and when he gets to 1 and pushes the button, that's the height of euphoria."

Saudi newspapers tell the Arab world that Jews use human blood to make pastries.

Palestinian Authority TV isn't any better. In a scene dated Dec.14, 1994, a young Palestinian man is shown repeatedly stabbing a Jewish man in a car stopped in the West Bank

Palestinian TV broadcasts a sermon given at a mosque. "They are all liars. They must all be massacred. They must all be killed. Have no pity for them. Wherever they are, wherever you meet them … kill the Jews!"

Still another sermon on PA TV, as a young child is shown listening intently: "Bless those who put the belt around his waist or his sons and enter deeply in the Jewish community and say Allah is great. As the building collapsed on the heads of the Jews ..."

Then there's the Palestinian Authority TV version of our own "Sesame Street." Here young children are shown getting up in front of other youngsters and performing: "Each and every part of your soul. I have drenched with all my blood, and we shall march as warriors ..."

Another child takes over: "… When I wander into the entrance of Jerusalem, I turn into a suicide warrior, I turn into a suicide warrior, in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress."

The child then says, "Thank you," and the teacher shouts, "Bravo! Bravo!" as the students applaud wildly.

Could Hitler have done it any better?
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That said, how long until Israel is justified in wiping out entire Palestine families of suicide bombers? The bombers don't care about themselves, think they'd care if they knew their little brother, sister, mom, dad. grandma would die within 48hrs after they blew themselves up? Or would they just plan a big reunion in allah land :rolleyes:
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« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2002, 03:15:13 PM »
"Allah Land"... I dunno why, but that made me laugh. Has a nice ring to it too. :)
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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2002, 03:17:33 PM »
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"Allah Land"... I dunno why, but that made me laugh. Has a nice ring to it too. :)
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Sounds aweful close to "LaLa land" as used in this sentence:

"He's out in LaLa land, not paying attention"

(shrugs)

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« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2002, 03:19:30 PM »
I was trying to remember what it sounded like, I knew it was familiar!
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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2002, 03:24:22 PM »
Arafat reminds me of the kid we all knew in school at one time or another.  He would talk tough, act tough, and when he got his butt kicked, he would scream for intervention.

If you want a state, then you should follow the Israel model, declare it and then defend it.  If you cannot control you borders, then you are by definition, not a state.

The right of conquest does hold water.  Ask any American Indian, or native South American.

Interesting site:  http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/concepts/index.html
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« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2002, 03:31:18 PM »
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Please oh please read a book or something before posting stuff you apparently have no idea about.


Yeah Hortland, so sorry for my complete ignorance of history and current affairs. Or should I be sorry because I don't give a toejam about arrogant academia from another millenia... or it's boring stuffed shirt proponents?

So, which kibbutz established outside your country's borders in vilolation of the Camp David Accords is yours?

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like i said, until the Pal thugs are DEAD, they will be no peace as whatever solution would not be good enough for them and their bombings would continue.


Eagler.. you and I are saying the same thing... the only diffrence is I see the diffrence between the Palestinan PEOPLE and Palestinian Terrorists. Just like I see the diffrence between israli's and Sharons theiving government.

"the only good indian is a dead indian" went outta style to be replaced by 'the only good jap is a jap thats been dead for 2 years" and now we're off on the PC bit of "the only good palestinian is a dead palestinian."

henh.

Last time i heard damn near all of the WTC terrorists were from saudi arabia. I guess all saudi's are terrorists.

Gent's; I ain't pro-palestinian any more than i'm pro israeli.. I do see a powder keg sittin there, and the longer it goes on, the more risk to the USA there is... as Eagler said, "they brought it on themselves".. both sides.

Fer crissakes, somebody send the UN in, and stop this crap.
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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2002, 03:33:15 PM »
It's funny, I got to Mapquest.com and decide to look at Palestine..I just can't seem to find it..

I can find Mexico sure and simple...but no palestine...

oh wait, I found palestine...



errr....no....

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That's Israel.

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Palestine would look like a picnic.

I ain't saying what palestine is doing is right, i abhor the 'terrosit' style reprisal methods they use...but i sure as hell ain't willing to give sharon and his bucha theiving crooks in heli's and tanks carte blanche in palestine.
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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2002, 03:38:10 PM »
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Yeah Hortland, so sorry for my complete ignorance of history and current affairs. Or should I be sorry because I don't give a toejam about arrogant academia from another millenia... or it's boring stuffed shirt proponents?
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*bites tounge* Actually I think you should be sorry if you dont give a toejam about history.
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So, which kibbutz established outside your country's borders in vilolation of the Camp David Accords is yours?
 

LOL :D
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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2002, 03:42:18 PM »
Hang

All for the UN playing cop as long as not ONE US soldier is posted anywhere near the place

But what happens when the extremists, I think from the Palestine side, while you probably think from both sides, then target the UN "peacekeepers"? I see the UN doing what Israel is doing today, less than 6 months after they are deployed or after the first couple dozen UN soldiers are ambushed by those who do not want peace but want the Jews run out of the land or dead...

Until the people of Palestine get past the , lack of a better term, "Nazi" mentality, generation after generation of crazed muderous thugs/gangs will rule their land and no one will be able to talk with anyone who carries enough weight to change it.  
I think there is much truth in Steve Malzberg's article stating the Palestine ppl are just pawns in a new movement you can pin down to a religious movement of Isalm (radicalized for the purpose) and it's conquest to be the world's religion.
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« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2002, 03:56:09 PM »
Eagler, I agree.. not ONE US soldier should be in that UN force. We've already done our bit for world security... 100 times over. Besides, putting US Troops in a UN Peacekeeping Force in that location would be tantamount to signing their death warrants.

Lets use Sweedish Troops. The squareheads have been hiding behind their popmous 'neutrality' making a profit from everybody elses wars for far too long. ;)

As far as the 'nazi' label goes, I can point with just as much effacy and conviction at the Israli policy of retribution for the terrorist bombings.

Hortland, I majored in History. I enjoyed it immensely. And if you don't see some of it's more gruesome lessons repeating themselves in the middle east, then yer just another blind stuffed shirt windbag, tootin the PC horn.
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« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2002, 05:32:54 PM »
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Hortland, I majored in History. I enjoyed it immensely. And if you don't see some of it's more gruesome lessons repeating themselves in the middle east, then yer just another blind stuffed shirt windbag, tootin the PC horn.


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I have been accused of many things Hang...tootin the PC horn is not one of the more common accusations though ;)

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« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2002, 05:47:04 PM »
Hortlund PC? Made me chuckle. :)

I almost never post on these ME threads, mainly because I have no real depth of knowledge on the subject. But It seems to me Hang has made a good point regarding the UN. Letting the combatants handle this issue just aint working. The ramifications are such that peace in other regions of the world is held captive by the ME troubles. Time for the rest of the world to say enough is freakin enough!

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« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2002, 06:50:30 PM »
There's a good quote from Topol, the Israeli actor (Fiddler on the Roof), in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz

He was visiting Netzarim, an Israeli colony in Gaza, to dedicate a memorial to his friend Ze'evi, the assasinated Israeli politician. (Ze'evi was nicknamed Ghandi because of his peace-loving policies, namely ethnically cleanse 4 million Palestinians, whom he called "lice")

The sculptor who made the memorial was there for the unveiling. He looked around Netarim, which houses 50 families and is guarded by a batalion of troops, costing about $10 million a year to maintain.
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Uri Lifshitz, whom Topol commissioned to design the Ze'evi memorial and who came along on the visit, asked if his taxes "were paying for all this." Topol quickly defended the settlers. "The Americans are paying," he assured Lifshitz.


The settlers aren't just a burden on American taxpayers, they're a burden on Israel.

The IDF lost two Merkava MBTs around Netzarim, blown up with their crews by Palestinian mines buried in a dirt track. The IDF started driing their tanks along the paved road running around Netzarim, but after a time the settlers complained the tanks were damaging the road, so now they're back on the dirt track and vulnerable to mines again.

And all the time the settlments are expanding and multiplying, taking more land from the Palestinians:

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"Tell me, please, what am I supposed to do now?" the local Palestinian leader from the Bethlehem area asked the western diplomat. They were watching as a huge bulldozer dugs its teeth into the land of Beit Sahur, paving another road to bypass the Palestinians for the glory of the Israeli occupation. The road is particularly meant for the residents of Nokdim, the settlement that is home to MK Avigdor Lieberman. "What would you do in my place?" asked the Palestinian, a moderate who is far from being a proponent of violence. "Would you watch from the side as the settlers take your land, or would you shoot at the bulldozer?"


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Anyone expecting Palestinians to quit killing settlers, should have a few words with Aziz Amaru, deputy minister for Waqf affairs in Hebron. Amaru has been spending the past several days running back and forth between the downtown wholesale market in the old city of Hebron and the local police station. All he wants is for the Israeli authorities to enforce the law against the settlers who have squatted in the shops of the wholesale market, which is property of the Muslim religious trust. After Baruch Goldstein's 1994 Purim day massacre of praying Muslims in the Tomb of the Patriarchs, Israel ordered the shops of the wholesale market shuttered; since then, the shops, next to the Avraham Avinu Jewish neighborhood, have been closed. A few months ago, Hebron settlers took over one of the buildings and turned four shops into apartments and a kindergarten. In the past few days they've taken over four more shops in an adjacent building. Amaru says the Waqf complied with the suggestion by the police that they weld the doors of the shops shut. Yesterday morning, settlers used force to chase off the welders and the police who were guarding them, and locked up the Waqf officials on the second floor of the building. Palestinian Hebronites are asking themselves if the police would have behaved with the same measure of restraint if it had been Palestinians marching into a Jewish-owned shop. The settlers' behavior, and the equanimity, in the best of cases, of the security forces toward Jewish lawbreakers in the territories, strengthens the hand of those Palestinians who support the armed struggle. Their analysis of the spreading expropriations, closures of land and tree uprootings, is that war against the settlers is a battle for their homes. Even the muezzin is not allowed to call the people to prayers anymore in Hebron. The soldiers explained to the Waqf that the traditional calls, made from the minarets of Hebron for hundreds of years, "disturb the peace." It is becoming ever more reminiscent of the Algerian campaign against the French colonists. Even if someone upstairs decides to stop the suicide bombers on their way to Petah Tikva, there's no chance that any Palestinian leader will condemn a Hebronite who decides to shoot a settler who invades his home.

A recent petition to the High Court of Justice can illuminate why the Palestinians hate the settlers so much. Jerusalem attorney Shlomo Lecker petitioned the court in the name of two residents of the village of Tu'ana, in south Mt. Hebron. He says that the case is typical of the routine of ruthless land grabbing, under full cover of the army and the government - and of the settlers' utter disregard for the law. The story begins in September 2001. A group of settlers began construction of a cement platform on a piece of land bordering farm land owned by Mohammed Mussa Jibrin and Ahmed Mohammed Mohammed. Yosef Adir, a top official in the South Mt. Hebron Regional Council, supervised the construction work. The landowners hurried to the Kiryat Arba police station to file a complaint against the settlers' incursion on their land. "After filing their complaint," writes Lecker in the petition, "one Major Zvika arrived on the scene. He is known to the petitioners as the officer in the civil administration responsible for the area. With him was a civil administration official named Amos. Zvika told the petitioners and their lawyer, Mussa Mahmara, that the construction work was being done without permission. Amos told them he had issued a cease and desist order, but it was impossible to enforce, `because the settlers won't obey the order.' He recommended they go to the High Court of Justice." Over the next two weeks, under the supervision of Adir, ostensibly a government official as a regional council official, the concrete platform was completed and a water tower was established. At the end of September, the landowners contacted Lecker, and asked him to come to the site. "Two kilometers away from the hilltop where the outpost is being built, in an isolated, hilly area," writes Lecker, "I came across a military checkpoint. The checkpoint commander, who identified himself as Major Gilad, showed me an order closing the area, along with a map. On the map, a triangle was drawn around the area the outpost, which was named in the military order as `Avigail Point.' Major Gilad clarified that the regional commander, who signed the order, wanted it closed to prohibit entry/approach to the outpost area." After Lecker protested that settlers were driving by the checkpoint without being stopped by the soldiers, the officer pointed out a sentence in the military order specifying that the order did not cover "authorized" people. Three days later, those "authorized" settlers moved mobile homes to "Avigail Point." A statement by the state prosecutor to the High Court in response to the petition, confirms that the Civil Administration's inspectors did find that two more mobile homes, as well as a shed and an old bus, had been placed at the site. The state says that on February 24, two orders were issued, demanding an end to the construction. But Lecker produced a document proving that as far as the settlers are concerned, the West Bank is the Wild West, and for the Defense Ministry, which is headed by a man who has said that he doesn't regard restraining the settlers as very important, the settler behavior in the territories can go on just the way it has. The document Lecker produced is a letter signed by Major Yossi Shapira, assistant military secretary to the defense minister. It says that a cease and desist order for the construction at the illegal outpost was issued, "and if the settlers do not evacuate the area on their own, the army will evacuate them tomorrow." Shapira's letter is dated October 21, 2001. Apparently it had some influence on a rare High Court's decision, issued three weeks ago, to order the army to enforce the orders the army already issued regarding "Avigail Point" and to prevent any further construction there. Until, of course, the settlers get their authorizations.

All from Ha'aretz an Israeli newspaper.

There is no way this situation can be peaefull. Was ethnic cleansing and colonization ever carried out peacefully?

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« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2002, 07:52:11 PM »
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There is no way this situation can be peaefull. Was ethnic cleansing and colonization ever carried out peacefully?


Yup. Clear and incontrovertable evidence exists that Isreal persists in establishing settlements on land they don't own... in vilolation of every rule of national and international law, in the face of international accords of which they are signatory to. Pirates. Thieves. Liars and Cheats.

There will never be 'peace' untill those settlements are stopped, removed and the stolen lands are restored to the folks that they were stolen from. Not two thousand years ago.. 2 years ago.

Time we stopped bein Isreal's cheerleader and financier.

Time we started rasing our voices instead to insist the UN do it's job, and we stopped braying 'yea, team' every time an Israli tank flattens another palestinian home.

The Israli propaganda machine is not inexpert, nor is Isreal incompetent or impotent to stop the actions of it's settlers. High time the PC bozo parrot politicans in this country smartened up, grew some balls and stood up to the JDF and said 'tell yer buddies in the ME to lighten up on the palestininan settlement thing and invite the UN in there or Unca Sam's gonna slap the purse closed permanantly."

Never happen of course.. the JDF controlled politicians in this country are carefully selected for lack of testicular fortitude on jewish sensitive issues.

If the UN does not step in, I would expect the people in the region not of israli descent to suffer the same fate as the Indian Nations of the old west..... or worse.

Imagine if Geronimo got his hands on a Nuke..

I just hope when it comes time to pay the piper and the palistinian geronimo gets his bomb, he plants it in isreal, and not NYC.
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