Big bang actually.
And some scientists have come up with some good random existance math. The simplified version is the odds against existance are xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: 1 , after a certain period of 'time' sooner or later 'existance' will occur.
The question of who created god is no less important than the question of the universes existance in this whole argument. More often this question, when posed, leads to the creationist answer god simply exists, and answer which they quite often preclude as a possibility for the universe. IE, my god can simply exist but your universe cannot simply 'exist'. And highlights the fact that they draw use a different set of rules for whats valid as an argument for/against, and to me thats far from educated.
The other striking difference between the two communities (creationist and evolutionist) is in the answer to some of the bigger questions. In some cases the evolutionists will say "I don't know", or "we think this might have happened but we're not sure yet". Admiting they don't know is to me a far great act of faith than jumping to "its gods way". To me, a man who says "I don't know" is far more educated and enlightened.
Unfortunately the real root of the problem is, IMHO, the scale on which evolution, and the big bang theories for that matter, happen. The scale is beyond most human comprehension, the odds, timescale, and iterations involved are massive. The real issue when the argument boils down to its finer points of breaks down to the creationists not accepting scales that push their realms of thinking to the limits.
Evolution, and natural selection has been proven. Scientifically with fossils, and in current times with experiments on actively evolving animal populations (bacteria, birds, and monkeys). Those that deny it are just like those that clung to the 'earth is flat' or the 'sun revolves around the earth' ideas.
Originally posted by cajun
noone created god, as I was saying it is not a start end start end as we are "programmed" to think since thats what everything around us on this world does.
The hardest thing for people to do is to think differently.
what created the "big boom" (I mean I know 2 somethings are suppose to have collided, but what created them?)
As for having to believe in Evolution to be Enlightened and Educated, well no offence but I think I am more enlighted/educated than you if you cant at least take things into cocideration, instead of just say "thats a bunch of rubbish", I've listened to stuff about evelution, I like people to challenge my oppinions, make me think why I believe in what I believe. Instead of just tuning it out like a child.
