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Offline beet1e

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« Reply #165 on: June 17, 2003, 05:44:00 AM »
Good Morning!

I'm pleased to see a new mood of cordiality in this thread, now that Preacher-Boy is gone. I got shot of the G-squad c1970, and never looked back. But every now and then, someone pops up with that self righteous attitude, and insults people simply for disagreeing, or holding an opposing point of view. You guys in America are lucky. You have the first Amendment - which means you can choose any - or none at all. I'm a lifelong none-at-all guy myself, and try to let others do as they please with regard to that. But whenever I hear that "you're stupid because you don't agree with me" BS, it takes me right back to the shackle and chains days before 1970, and generally ***ks up my day. Yuck... Sorry to digress, but I needed to get that off my chest.

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The reason why those planes account for a large share of the kills in the MA has nothing to do with the planes being 'uber' or other such nonsense but rather the numbers that fly them account for the kill %
Yes, the LA7s are numerous, but WHY are they numerous? Because of the reasons Slapshot listed above. And as my 109 mentor Urchin said in an earlier thread, an average LA7 pilot will beat a good 109G10 pilot 7 times out of 10. [my italics] I believe that one of the reasons that it IS the choice of so many is that it's easy to fly, and provides good survivability.  We have to face up to the fact that many people in AH have no interest in WW2 and want nothing more than aerial Quake. For them, the LA7 is the perfect choice.

Lazs!  I didn't know you were still here - glad you are. What do I want? In a word, Balance. Many of us reading this come from WB, and well remember the wheel-o-settings. It got so bad that you never knew from one day to the next how your plane would fly, or how lethal (or not) the guns would be. Then just recently, another former WBer started a thread about tinkering with "bullet radius" - remember that old chestnut? I don't want AH to be like that, with settings changing daily, or aircraft performance to be modified upon the whims of a handful of players. Fuel porkers are a nuisance I know. But so are LA7 opportunists. Perking either one out of existence is not the answer. Anyway, Nobaddy has set my mind at rest. He has known the fireman for many years, and I accept his assurances that the fireman has protected our own house against fire, despite the blazing inferno we left behind next door.

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I might add that I met Beet1e at a WB convention in NC in 2000. Fought him from 1998 on in WB. After he broke my nose and I dislocated his knee at the convention we've been on fine terms.
You have it backwards! I stood on tiptoe and bit your knee, so then you kneed me in the face using the other knee and broke my nose. Even though I'm 6ft in height, I'd need a stepladder to reach your nose - lol. :)

Yes, we met in the coffee shop as I recall. Did you meet Gabreski, and go to his address in that lecture theatre? I'd never heard of him before that con, but liked him instantly, and bought his book for $65. He was a tough old bird - a real no nonsense character.

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« Reply #166 on: June 17, 2003, 07:14:56 AM »
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I don't care what you think rshubert.


Having Manable ack would be a great experiment. Have not seen it in a game so far.  Have a base under attack, if you feel the need, lock and load. If the ack goes down, it's down similar to CV group gun positions.

Might be fun.


That's the spirit, nopoop.  Let's drag the whole discussion further down into the dirt.  That'll show me.

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« Reply #167 on: June 17, 2003, 07:20:29 PM »
Well surprise me then rshubert. What are your feelings on manable ack positions at a field.

The pros and cons. It just might be fun. Field start flashing and jump in a gun. Just another choice added to the pot.

Not my cup of tea but I could see how it would be fun with a steamroller headed in.
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« Reply #168 on: June 17, 2003, 08:23:52 PM »
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Well surprise me then rshubert. What are your feelings on manable ack positions at a field.

 



I'm not Shubie-doobie-do, but here's my dos centavos on the subject.

Why not have the field defenses like they had in WB?  I remember from when I played WB (2.x-2.77) that there were multiple and different caliber AA at each field.  Why not do something like that in addition to adding a little more mannable acks?  Also add mannable acks to the towns in addtion to the three that are already there.

Flying in supplies should also have more of an effect on repairing the base instead of just decreasing the respawn time by a few minutes.  Have something like 5 supply drops will bring the base fully back online.


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« Reply #169 on: June 17, 2003, 09:28:05 PM »
The reason I find K/T useless is because it is biased towards the fast fighters and the fighters that climb very well.  If you happen to like an aircraft that isn't quite so stellar in those deparments and isn't suited to last ditch base defense your K/T will never be very good.  Because of that you cannot accurately gauge the flying style of others simply by looking at their K/T.  You also have to look at what they fly.
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« Reply #170 on: June 17, 2003, 09:45:34 PM »
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The reason I find K/T useless is because it is biased towards the fast fighters and the fighters that climb very well.  If you happen to like an aircraft that isn't quite so stellar in those deparments and isn't suited to last ditch base defense your K/T will never be very good.  Because of that you cannot accurately gauge the flying style of others simply by looking at their K/T.  You also have to look at what they fly.

True.

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« Reply #171 on: June 17, 2003, 11:17:57 PM »
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Did you meet Gabreski, and go to his address in that lecture theatre?


I enjoyed his talk a great deal. But this man had been given accolades for his achievements during and since the war.

What I found more moving was the sparkle in Franz Stiglr's eyes with the real interest that was givin to his story, his life. A man for 40 years, just the enemy with no recognition of his accomplishments.

One of the few 262 pilots, 109 pilot, flew with the best. If I remember correctly he was shot down over 20 times. His stories and the reaction of those listening made me feel good.

His story, along with the B17 pilot in attendence of when he showed the way home to the shot up 17 and wagged his wings to send him on his way I will never forget. It was a privilage to shake that mans hand.

All were Knights, and late in life he was being recognized for what he "was".

A Knight.

Have a signed lith of his 109 on the wall with the story of the B17.

I won't forget it.

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« Reply #172 on: June 18, 2003, 08:08:29 AM »
BNM.. I don't know.. my highest k/h tours are in an FM2.. I don't take off if there is no fight... if I have to fly much more than a sector to find a good fight... I can get three or more kills while the pee51 or dee 9 is lining up for his "perfect" risk free bounce that he has climbed to 15 k for.  I can ruin his day by reversing him and making him extend half a sector.
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« Reply #173 on: June 18, 2003, 09:03:51 PM »
lazs,

Your choice of aircraft falls into the "good at base defense" category.  You can get up and be getting kills immediately if you take off from a base that is under attack or near a fight.

If I take off of the same base at the same time in my chosen aircraft I'll just get killed.
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« Reply #174 on: June 19, 2003, 08:25:30 AM »
karnak... no... I don't take off from bases that are capped much.  The ones I take of from any plane can take off from.

No.. it is attitude.  I don't bother to "work my way up" to those timid guys in their high alt foxholes.  no point.. it takes forever and they are lousy fighter pilots when you do get to em.  They die easy but it takes forever to kill em.   It wouldn't matter what plane I used but  I could kill those guys a lot faster in say an la7 or yak... sometimes, when there is no other type of fight I will take the yak and do that.

My point was... I look for close fields with a huge fight going on or CV fights... theirs or ours, it doesn't matter.

Act timid in the arena or have an arena that encourages (demands) timidity and you will have a low overall average k/h... have an arena with opportunity for good large fights and you will have a higher k/h.

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« Reply #175 on: June 19, 2003, 10:25:57 AM »
Whew....made it through all four pages!

I would just like to say that if some of you could fight as well as you type, well, Beetle would be the best online virtual dude ever to hit the planet.

Just play the way ya want to...however, if ya run from fights like a girlscout, then don't be suprised when folks call ya out on it.

Regarding K/T, it does indicate how busy one is fighting rather than sightseeing...not that anything is wrong with sightseeing, it just is boring to those of us who have seen the sights for some 10-12 years.

Make any sense?

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« Reply #176 on: June 19, 2003, 12:10:49 PM »
Lazs2!!!

I have discovered the joy of the FM2! Heheh this plane is a blast to fly.
Had a 10 kill, then 7 kill run in FM2 last night, back to back.(no re-arms)
Loads of fun.  It can take a pounding, guns are effective if not spectacular, turns like a champ, .. blah blah blah.
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« Reply #177 on: June 19, 2003, 02:13:15 PM »
never got a 10 kill and 7 kill sorties are rare for me.   love to run into you in the arena... most of the fm2 guys i run into are not very good...

you are obviously the best Fm2 guy in the game if you can even maintain half of your kill per sortie flying in it.   Don't know how you manage to fight at all tho... much time as you spend  on channel one.

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« Reply #178 on: June 19, 2003, 02:14:29 PM »
whenever I see Fm2's or spits or hurris I know that I will at least get a fight....

they don't have any choice.
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« Reply #179 on: June 19, 2003, 02:53:55 PM »
I have a lovely bunch of coconuts