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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2003, 07:35:48 AM »
Time? New Zealand's gun laws and hence gun ownership has become alot  tougher over time rather then easier. Especially in the past 10 years.


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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2003, 07:57:04 AM »
"We find it amusing that only the criminals have guns where you live. Bet that gives ya a warm fuzzy (wet) feeling don't it? The way society is heading, crime with illegal guns will get much, much worse before it gets better.  

I am speaking from the perspective of having no fewer than 4 firearms pointed at me by criminals..never again. Now I shoot back(If in a position to)"


Two things point out.. First is that Ripsnort will cease to join this BBS the next time he runs into armed criminals. DOA and another thread morning a fellow AH pilot, only the lucky ones walk away as heroes in situations he describes. The majority become dead wannabe heroes. It's a bit late to start to pull your weapon when you're held at gunpoint. :)

Second, Rip seems to think other countries share the problems of the US society. In countries where wealth is more evenly shared, despiration is much less common and so is violent crime. Naturally nutcases exist everywhere but with strict gun laws it's much more unlikely for them to own a gun, at least legally. Gun laws also enable law enforcement to take any unlawfully obtained guns away from a person if he shows them in public even once. That greatly reduces their chances of actually shooting someone, usually people threat before they act.

The conservatists idea of life seems to be: Grab everything you can, stomp others in the face in search of own wealth blindly. Build a fortress and arm yourself to teeth because you're scared the misfortunate will want a piece of your wealth. Walk no longer freely on your streets as the mentally weak individuals become strong with a sidearm and nothing to lose.

So yes, you got money and life is good. As long as you don't get shot in your car while doing shopping or end up as a victim of a burglar. Or have your kid fall into the trap of any of the drugdealers working the next streetcorner. I'm constantly amazed about the extent of posters who claim to have a drug problem even on this UBB (yes if you smoke pot you're a pothead and nothing else.)

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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2003, 08:00:30 AM »
isn't NZ a little island full of middle class socialist white guys?   compare our middle class white guy gun crime with yours and we come out the same I betcha... imagine if we were an isolated little island that no body cared about!   Imagine if you bordered Mexico.

Mrblack... something can indeed be done about school shootings... the little cowards can be stopped.   it requires only that the teachers be allowed to have concealed carry permits and that they be allowed to carry concealed while on the job.  

Not many would... say 10% but, like the sky marshal program, it would work.   every school shooting has been stopped by firearms, in a lot of cases the firearms were illegal (at schools)... teachers getting guns out of their cars for instance.   The shooters would not even attempt the slaughter if they thought the sheep had teeth.
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2003, 08:03:38 AM »
siaf... being shot at is prefferable to being a socialist.   I'll take my chances so long as i can shoot back.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2003, 08:17:18 AM »
Rofl lazs good luck. I prefer living my life without being in constant fear.

Life is so.. easy. You know?

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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2003, 08:36:54 AM »
In a socialist country it is easy if you don't produce compared to in a free country if you don't produce... it is very difficult in a socialist country if you want more than "getting by".

I like my life easy and fun.   I don't like the socialist girls telling me what is good for me... I like to decide that myself..   I don't ever expect to be shot or shot at.   The opportunities here are worth the miniscule risk tho.  

Not a lot of people fleeing this country for yours.
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2003, 08:48:44 AM »
lazs...according to you shooting a magnum 44 makes a man grow up to 4 inches.

I assume the opposite of this occurs when the IRS conducts an audit.  Significant shrinkage I imagine...say 4 inches.

What would happen if the IRS agent is a woman?  Another 4 inches of shrinkage?  That could be a real problem for a guy with only say 7 inches naturally.

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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2003, 08:48:55 AM »
This is a socialist country and we produce....so whats your point again?

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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2003, 08:53:27 AM »
Just about as many as are fleeing my country to yours.

It seems socialist replaced 'communist' as a buzz word lately. Where in fact, the best way is something in between which you unfortunately will never realise.

I'm 100% sure more free than you. We don't have any of the ridiculous laws that limit people's actions in their privacy or even public as you have in many states. We don't have censorship in our media. No blurred out mouths, genitals or no beeps over words and the list goes on. I can travel visa free to most of the countries on this planet and I won't feel hated where ever I go. I can walk the streets of any city at night at will and won't feel intimidated. I can breathe clean air and use my every-mans right to go in the forest to hunt, pick berries or even camp temporarily even if the forest is owned by someone else. My personal privacy is protected by law so I can swap files freely without the danger of getting subpenaed by anyone. I can freely use the medical services (including dental) of my city if I feel the need to do so. I can freely study at university level at governments expense.

So yes, I may pay more taxes than you.. But I prefer things our way. I think you need to redefine your meaning of free.

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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2003, 09:02:51 AM »
curval... you are correct.   your little island of fantasy under the socialist umbrella is like well... a resort for the socialists.. enjoy it... just don't try to live in one of your protectors countries... you will think the IRS is downright benevolent compasred to say englands taxes on those who produce.

sciaf... all the commies say the same thing...  communism works it just hasn't been done right yet.   Know why it hasn't?   cause it can't friggin possibly work.   All else being equal...the more socialism the worse things get.  It is a simple thing really.

trotski... tell that to your top earners who want to flee your country.  If you produce then you are punished in your country.. if you don't then you are coddled.  that is what I meant.   Eventually it backfires on you tho... the women end up taking your guns and anything else that you might hurt yourself with.   You want the government to take care of you?   they are more than willing.
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2003, 09:06:35 AM »
sciaf... gee... getting to watch genitals with the kids on tv has got to be more important than the basic right to defend yourself and your family from those who would do em harm.

The genitals on tv thing?  couldn't care less one way or the other.  
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2003, 09:12:30 AM »
I'd rather see skin on tv than violence.  "Starsky and Hutch" was freely available for family viewing, but "NYPD Blue" can only show a 1-second cheek shot after 9pm.  

Its ok to drag a perp across a bar to shake him for information, but heaven forbid a woman's breast should pop out during a long kiss.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2003, 09:18:20 AM »
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curval... you are correct.   your little island of fantasy under the socialist umbrella is like well... a resort for the socialists.. enjoy it... just don't try to live in one of your protectors countries... you will think the IRS is downright benevolent compasred to say englands taxes on those who produce.


A resort for socialists?  Americans are socialists?  The majority of our visitors are from the US.

We only have one official protector...and that is Great Britain.  Don't wish to live there...it would be like living in Seattle or some other rainy state.

They protect us from America for the most part.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2003, 09:29:42 AM »
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trotski... tell that to your top earners who want to flee your country.  If you produce then you are punished in your country.. if you don't then you are coddled.  that is what I meant.   Eventually it backfires on you tho... the women end up taking your guns and anything else that you might hurt yourself with.   You want the government to take care of you?   they are more than willing.
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What on earth are you on about?

What top earners?  If you produce you are  punished?? The women take our guns??

You should really ask your nurse if your medication is on the right dose mate

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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2003, 12:04:16 PM »
Yeah this guy is really travelling on some astral level.

He doesn't know the difference between a social democracy and communism.

Sad to see that there are still remaining products of the 50's brainwash.

"getting to watch genitals with the kids on tv has got to be more important than the basic right to defend yourself and your family from those who would do em harm."

Well, gee, I prefer to be in a situation where I don't NEED to defend myself with weapons. Much because every hothead here doesn't own one.

Notice I didn't say crackhead as you'd HAVE to say.

I don't know anyone who would have even thought of getting a gun carry permit because they were afraid.
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