La-7

[J_A_B]

"Our arena is not a WWII theater"

And when did anyone ever say it was supposed to be one?

J_A_B

[Wilbus]

There are only two kind of planes, FW190 and Targets.

[Nashwan]

1 - Spit is faster than D9 at hi alts.

Only if high alt starts at 30K. How many fights do you see up there?

 

2 - Spit is faster than D9 at substained climb at most alts except very low.

Only if very low ends at 17k.

 

6 - Spit is slower than D9 in LEVEL flight at medium and lo alts.

Yes, it is.

 

Nashwan, our actual Spit, aside other deviations, has an exagerated roll rate at lo/medium speeds compared to NACA ones.

IIRC, and I can look it up if you insist, the AH Spit IX rolls too slowly at low speed, too fast at high speed. Exactly the same is true of the AH Fw190s.

 

Our arena is not a WWII theater, we have a lo level furball arena, nothing more and nothing less.

So low alt performance is more important than high alt? I agree.
At sea level, the AH Dora is:
55mph faster than the AH Spit IX
400 ft/min better climbing

In fact, at sea level, the only fighter slower than the Spit IX AH has chosen to model is the Zero. Even the C202 is as fast, the 109F4 is faster.
Oh, apart from most of the other British fighters AH has chosen to model, of course.

[J_A_B]

It's unfortunate that the Spit is so good at the type of fighting most often seen in AH.  It really keeps HTC's hands tied in regards to adding a later model Spit as anything but a perk plane.

Even a LF Mk 9 is too much unfortunately.  What do you suppose would happen to Spit usage (already the most common plane) if a version was added that at normal arena altitudes was 10 MPH faster, had much faster acceleration, and could climb 800 FPM better?  

It sucks too, because it leaves the Spit guys stuck flying a 1942 plane, abeit the world's best 1942 plane.

J_A_B

[MANDOBLE]

Actual ENY values:
SpitIX: 13
190D9: 18
Only N1K2J has a lower value being still unperked: 10

It seems SpitIX is significantly closer to be perked than 190D9.

[Kieran]

Kieran newbies have SpitV, C205, 109F, Ki161, La5, F6F, etc as good choices.  

Two questions then:
1. Why don't YOU fly these planes if they are so good?
2. What is your k/d against these aircraft while in your D9?

You are not an average AH pilot, you cannot be experiencing anything other than a minor annoyance with Spitfires of any kind (I don't, and I am terrible). I fly quite a few of the planes you mentioned (F6F5 most) and can tell you when planes like your D9 want to leave, they leave. You control the fight. You determine when it starts and ends. I can't imagine what advantage you feel you need that you don't already have.

[Karnak]

Urchin,

Yes, the Spitfire LF.MkIX is optimized for low altitude, however I don't think that it should be added as a freebie.

Due to the Spit's popularity and faster Spit, even just an LF.MkIX, would be bad for the environment in the MA.  In this I agree with J_A_B.

I don't think that the performance of anything less than a Spitfire MkXIV justifies the usage that the Spitfire MkIX gets in the MA, but then I felt that the F4U-1C's capabilities didn't justify the ammount of use it got.  The average player obviously puts a higher value on triats such as turning and Hispanos than I do.  To me, speed is the single most important traint of a fighter if you want to kill while surviving.

I would like to see the following Spits added:

Spitfire MkIa (Free)
Spitfire F.MkXIV (30 Perk points, or so)
Spitfire MkXVI, bubble canopy (8 Perk points)

That would wrap up the Spitfires in AH, unless they wanted to add the Ta152 concurrent F.21.  I don't see any reason to do so however.

MANDOBLE,

I am confidnet that I do know the Fw190D-9 and that is why I find your statements so far out of whack with reality.  I fly more Fw190D-9 missions than I do Spitfire missions, IIRC.

The Spit's ENY is lower than the Fw190D-9's simply due to its useage in the MA, not its capabilities.  The Fw190D-9's ENY does not reflect its usage (which would put it around an ENY of 25 to 30) because that would be tantamount to giving free perks to the fans of very powerful, uncommon aircraft. The Fw190D-9's ENY reflects its capabilities.

You are obviously a zealot and as such I do not think that anything productive can come of continuing to address your "points".

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by Karnak:
To me, speed is the single most important traint of a fighter if you want to kill while surviving.

That explains everything. Top level speed means nothing if you cant aim your weapons at a mobile target. Top level speed means nothing if you have not enough fire power to kill that target. This remenbers me an imaginary duel between Mig31s and Hornets with only guns. Your choice would be a Mig, right?

[llbm_MOL]

PLEASE!!! PERK IT!!!!

Then I will recieve more perk points when I get kills in it than if it wasn't perked

Less dweebs flying it=more Perk points for the more serious LA7 drivers.....

LLB OUT!!!!!

[hazed-]

for me the La7 hasnt been the bane to my enjoyment the way as the Nik was or the F4uc was at their height of usage.

the LA7 is simply not as commonly used as either of the aforementioned types.I cannot understand the hatred of the LA7 myself.Sure they are tough to beat but if it is modeled correctly and isnt being used anywhere near the 25%(?) of total aircraft use the F4uc had (which caused it to be  perked) then why should it be perked?

for almost 14 months the P51d had total control in AH.Nothing could catch the damn thing if flown correctly.So the La7 is ruling the roost down low now?? well get over it.Unless you can prove this model is incorrect and is therefore winning more because of this fact OR they are flooding the arena to the point of saturation it should be left WELL ALONE.

I was constantly 'annoyed' by the old Nik before it was adjusted.Now its not such a hot prospect its use has lessened considerably (or at least from the amount i see it has imo).I now do not consider perking the nik necessary.The f4uc is now being used about as much as a 109g6 so if you see it its actually an unusual fight again  . Never thought id say that back when we requested it to be perked !
The decision to perk it was a good one imo.La7 just isnt 'there' yet to be perked.

[Nifty]

No, we need another Spitfire.  Well, actually replace the Spit V we have with a LF Mk Vc.  *grins*  Then you'll really hear the cries to perk a 1941 (or was the Mk Vc early 42?) ride.  Clipped wing turning goodness with 4, yes count 'em, FOUR Hispano spiffy-spraying laser cannons! muahahahahahaha!!!!   of course I could fit it with 8 brownings or 2 hispanos and 4 brownings instead, but why would I when I can 4 x dweebspano yer butt!!!  

anyways, perk the Spit IX; I fly the Spit V as my fighter.  Perk the La7; I've just been using it for attack sorties recently (covers distance between fields on Uterus very nicely.  Drop bombs on town, strafe town a few times, kill defenders; it works well!) I can do the same in a Tiffie, just not get there as fast, but do more damage when I do get there.    Hmm, I think I will...  Only Spit V's, Tiffies, and Mossies for me this tour!  RAF all the way!  woot!    (save for Hellcat/Corsair JABO sorties off the CV)

[MANDOBLE]

IMO, the speed is not the problematic factor with the La7. A Typhoon is as fast or almost as fast as the La. The main advantage of the La is its brutal instant acceleration in any plane. If you create a La6.5 with same acceleration and maneuverability than La7 but with a top speed limited to 340 mph at sea level, the problem wont be solved.

[Kieran]

Sorry to say, I put the G10 in about the same class. Take the high-speed roll and turn away and replace with slow speed turn and roll and you have a G10.

[Nifty]

La7 is a monster down low...  I'm 20/4 in it in attack roles this tour.  Been killed by a Spit IX (I was greedy going for a 7th kill), a M3, M16 (if anything needs perking, this is it! lol, j/k), and Panzer (he was camped by the town killing our troops, think it was Voss and he got 12+ kills).

It could be perked if it performed like that at all altitudes.  I just don't see perking it based on excellent acceleration alone.  If so, perk anything that has Hispanos, perk anything that climbs excellent, perk anything that turns excellent, etc.