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« on: November 23, 2003, 10:51:15 PM »
Iraqi Teens Drag Bloodied U.S. Soldiers
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By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer

MOSUL, Iraq - Iraqi teenagers dragged two bloodied U.S. soldiers from a wrecked vehicle and pummeled them with concrete blocks Sunday, witnesses said, describing the killings as a burst of savagery in a city once safe for Americans.  


 
 

   

Another soldier was killed by a bomb and a U.S.-allied police chief was assassinated.


The U.S.-led coalition also said it grounded commercial flights after the military confirmed that a missile struck a DHL cargo plane that landed Saturday at Baghdad International Airport with its wing aflame.


Nevertheless, American officers insisted they were making progress in bringing stability to Iraq (news - web sites), and the U.S.-appointed Governing Council named an ambassador to Washington — an Iraqi-American woman who spent the past decade lobbying U.S. lawmakers to promote democracy in her homeland.


Witnesses to the Mosul attack said gunmen shot two soldiers driving through the city center, sending their vehicle crashing into a wall. The 101st Airborne Division said the soldiers were driving to another garrison.


About a dozen swarming teenagers dragged the soldiers out of the wreckage and beat them with concrete blocks, the witnesses said.


"They lifted a block and hit them with it on the face," said Younis Mahmoud, 19.


It was unknown whether the soldiers were alive or dead when pulled from the wreckage.


Initial reports said the soldiers' throats were cut. But another witness, teenager Bahaa Jassim, said the wounds appeared to have come from bullets.


"One of the soldiers was shot under the chin and the bullet came out of his head. I saw the hole in his helmet. The other was shot in the throat," Jassim said.


Some people looted the vehicle of weapons, CDs and a backpack, Jassim said.


"They remained there for over an hour without the Americans knowing anything about it," he said. "I ... went and told other troops."


Television footage showed the soldiers' bodies splayed on the ground as U.S. troops secured the area. One victim's foot appeared to have been severed.


The frenzy recalled the October 1993 scene in Somalia, when locals dragged the bodies of RANGERS killed in fighting with warlords through the streets.


In Baqouba, just north of Baghdad, insurgents detonated a roadside bomb as a 4th Infantry Division convoy passed, killing one soldier and wounding two others, the military said.


In Baghdad, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt confirmed the Mosul deaths but refused to provide details.


"We're not going to get ghoulish about it," he said.

   



The savagery of the attack was unusual for Mosul, once touted as a success story in sharp contrast to the anti-American violence seen in Sunni Muslim areas north and west of Baghdad.

In recent weeks, however, attacks against U.S. troops have increased in Mosul, raising concerns the insurgency is spreading.

Simultaneously, attacks have accelerated against Iraqis considered to be supporting Americans — such as policemen and politicians working for the interim Iraqi administration.

On Sunday, gunmen killed the Iraqi police chief of Latifiyah, 20 miles south of Baghdad, and his bodyguard and driver, American and Iraqi officials said. No further details were released.

The assassination occurred one day after suicide bombers struck two police stations northeast of Baghdad within 30 minutes, killing at least 14 people. Gunmen on Saturday also killed an Iraqi police colonel protecting oil installations in Mosul.

In Samara, about 75 miles north of Baghdad, Iraqi police said six U.S. Apache helicopter gunships blasted marshland after four rocket-propelled grenades were fired at the American military garrison at the city's northern end. One Iraqi passer-by was killed in the air attack, police said.

In Kirkuk, 150 miles north of Baghdad, a bomb exploded at an oil compound, injuring three American civilian contractors from the U.S. firm Kellogg Brown & Root. The three suffered facial cuts from flying glass, U.S. Lt. Col. Matt Croke said.

KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton, also has a significant presence at Baghdad's Palestine Hotel, which was rocketed by insurgents Friday, wounding one civilian.

"We all know that Americans are being threatened," Croke said.

Kimmitt told reporters in Baghdad that witnesses saw two surface-to-air missiles fired Saturday at a cargo plane operated by the Belgium-based package service DHL as it left for Bahrain.

The plane was the first civilian airliner hit by insurgents, who have shot down several military helicopters with shoulder-fired rockets.

DHL and Royal Jordanian, the only commercial passenger airline flying into Baghdad, immediately suspended flights on orders of the coalition authority.

Despite the ongoing violence, U.S. officials insisted the occupation was going well.

"If you look at the accomplishments of the coalition since March of this year, it has been enormous," Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in Tikrit.

Pace is touring Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq.

Also Sunday, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said veteran Washington lobbyist Rend Rahim Francke was appointed Iraq's ambassador to the United States. Francke, an Iraq native who has spent most of her life abroad, led the Iraq Foundation, a Washington-based pro-democracy group, and has helped plan Iraq's transition from Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s rule.

The appointment will renew the diplomatic ties between Washington and Baghdad severed in 1990 when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2003, 10:57:31 PM »
Ignorrant savage pieces of human chit!
Kill em all take the dam oil and be done with it!

Let's stop bullchitting the world here.
We what the OIL!!
Democracy in the middle east will NEVER happen.
First off because these people don't posses the gray matter to understand the concept.

Bush take off the KID gloves and be the evil killing b astard you must be to win this war on terrorisom.

Sorry people but when I read stories like this I want to take my 46 year old arse over there and KILL evry single raghead I see.
Our American troops deserve better than this from the people there helping.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2003, 11:07:03 PM »
You are awesome.

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2003, 11:16:38 PM »
but mr bush said these people like us and want democracy. how could he be wrong?



Untill their religion is brought into the 21st century those people will never want to be free or have a democracy. It just dosnt work in some cultures.

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2003, 11:19:33 PM »
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You are awesome.


You do know there is a cure for acne now:D

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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2003, 11:20:10 PM »
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but mr bush said these people like us and want democracy. how could he be wrong?



Untill their religion is brought into the 21st century those people will never want to be free or have a democracy. It just dosnt work in some cultures.


Froggy I tend to agree with you on this one.;)

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2003, 11:22:03 PM »
between your sporadic outbursts of racism and bigotry, I've had time to rethink my opinion of you mrblack... I have come to the conclusion that you're still a moron. :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok and :aok
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2003, 11:30:46 PM »
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between your sporadic outbursts of racism and bigotry, I've had time to rethink my opinion of you mrblack... I have come to the conclusion that you're still a moron. :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok and :aok


And I really have no idea what you are.
Still trying to figure out if you'r a man or woman???

Or maybe just a whiny little man with a big internet attituide.
That In real life would be asking me If I would like my order "biggy" sized :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2003, 11:35:17 PM »
Just as we cant judge Islam based on the actions of the hijackers, we cant judge Iraqi opinion based on these actions.

I believe installing a democratic government is a noble cause - but if we find that the majority of public opinion sides with these two teens - I cant think of any reason to stay.

This action troubles me - and Im a Bush/War supporter.

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2003, 11:39:43 PM »
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Just as we cant judge Islam based on the actions of the hijackers, we cant judge Iraqi opinion based on these actions.

I believe installing a democratic government is a noble cause - but if we find that the majority of public opinion sides with these two teens - I cant think of any reason to stay.

This action troubles me - and Im a Bush/War supporter.


Yeppers I think It (the war) has cost enough lives:(

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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2003, 11:52:02 PM »
This discussion exemplifies the basic understanding that in order to diagnose clinical insanity a patient must be guilty of performing the same task over and over expecting different results every time.

In order to usefully determine the success or failure of the policy of the bush admin I believe that you might as well just wait until:

1) 5 years on the ground in Iraq/Afganistan has elapsed
or
2) A democrat is elected president

In 5 years one will obviously know for a near certainty whether all the blood and sacrifice has been well devoted.  The existance of a stable self sustaining government

or

If a democrat is elected president, prepare for the whole Iraq/Afganistan operation to be hastily concluded and a general retreat sounded against terrorism.  A form of surrender by submission.  If you must.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2003, 12:02:40 AM »
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And I really have no idea what you are.
Still trying to figure out if you'r a man or woman???

Or maybe just a whiny little man with a big internet attituide.
That In real life would be asking me If I would like my order "biggy" sized :rofl :rofl


Look the only thing you have to offer is a few nasty comments usually regarding the annihilation of an entire people, childish insults, or a combination of both.  You never offer any real argument to debate.  I have yet to see you actually analyze any situation and piece together anything resembling a clear picture.

Now unless you want to debate something, I suggest you re-read your posts and look for clues as to why Animal thinks you're awesome.  Here's a hint:

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Let's stop bullchitting the world here.
We what the OIL!!
Democracy in the middle east will NEVER happen.
First off because these people don't posses the gray matter to understand the concept.

Bush take off the KID gloves and be the evil killing b astard you must be to win this war on terrorisom.
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2003, 12:03:27 AM »
Wonder if you would still have that opinion if you had close friends serving in iraq right now, as i do, Saurdaukar. Us being there is pointless, those people like their dictator, and if they ever got the balls to overthrow saddam they would have put another dictator in place.
There will be another dictator in iraq within 10 years if we stay or leave.
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2003, 12:12:18 AM »
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Look the only thing you have to offer is a few nasty comments usually regarding the annihilation of an entire people, childish insults, or a combination of both.  You never offer any real argument to debate.  I have yet to see you actually analyze any situation and piece together anything resembling a clear picture.

Now unless you want to debate something, I suggest you re-read your posts and look for clues as to why Animal thinks you're awesome.  Here's a hint:


Sorry dude but I have a distaste for any people that is so stupid as to bite the hand that is helping it!
They are stupid and they smell funny!
And I don't think that they are worth 1 American life:aok

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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2003, 12:12:44 AM »
Animals.